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Get yourself over here bro, its still summer weather and its supposed to be winter in a fortnight. I think there is something in this global warming. I see where you use your thumb on your backspinner leftie600, well i am the opposite I gotta get my thumb well and truly away from the ball for...

Moses comes down from the mountain with the stone tablets and says "The good news is I have gotten him down to ten. The bad news is adultery is still one of them"

Maybe dave is being influenced by the brian wilkins book where he spends a lot of time putting the wrongun down and saying it is overated. By the time you finish reading what wilkins says about how useless the wrongun is you are almost convinced to drop it all together. I reckon all of us here...

Hedley Verity, what an absolute legend. He ruled on a sticky wicket. He is my favourite England player of all time.

Dunno if SLA was on a sticky because a true sticky has the sun come out and the ball turn sideways.

Now that is clever bowling.

Warne mastered the backspinner, then came up with his own ways of delivering it a bit different, usually less backspin then say benauds 'slider'. zooter supposed to come out with little spin as possible. A young bowler doesn't have to worry about backspinners much. Learn what they are muck...

Well this is right . If Wilkins was researching theses days he would probably have found your vids and seen it was possible to bowl an overspun flipper. At least Wilkins worked out from the Grimmet "mystery ball" photo that it was an overspinner. He just doubts Grimmett or anyone could bowl...

Yeah bigger targets to start with and that will encourage you to spin harder. Mallett reckons a big spinner like Warne had a target as big as a small dinner table in which he could cause trouble whereas Kumbles target might be as big as a large dinner plate. Grimmett describes pretty big...

He is writing in 1991 and i found when i did my research on the flipper a couple of years back most of the sources he uses but I have discovered a fair few more as well. Plus a lot of newspaper reports of grimmett and his mystery ball from the 1930/40's. He doesn't think grimmett or anyone...

Kerry O Keefe bowled his legbreaks just like you described. Apart from him I cant think of any others that spun off their middle fingers and got to the top level.

I just tracked down a copy of the Wilkins book from the public library. I am heading out now to borrow the book. Cant wait to read it, sounds good dave.

I know exactly what you mean. Pretty much what i do as well. It is wrist spin after all not finger spin.

Yeah I know what you mean. If i am thinking of any digit when I bowl a wrongun its the 4th finger.

Slider gone wrong and big legbreak can be same thing. If you want the BIG one than probably a bit of backspin, especially on a good surface, will help but the perfect release would be perfectly square in theory but if you can get it roughly square consistently then you are doing well. You...

I reckon tending to topspin+sidespin is more useful, more often. Then the one with backspin as the rare variation. The trouble with backspin is the spin is usually bigger but always slower and a batsman can play you off the pitch if you are a slow legspinner overusing backspin.

We probably need better footage of your bowling but for a start i would like to see you try and get a little more round arm. Its a bit over the top at the moment but then again you might be one of those types of higher arm action legspinners anyway. It would be good to see some clips of your...

GoldenArm has posted some clips of his bowling here before and dont worry, he's all legspinner. Look at the classic position he reaches in his avatar.

That was a really good find GoldenArm, one of the better clips making the rounds. Dead set right about the two young lads arms being a bit high, for my liking anyway.

Not uncommon for legspinner to start out as what they used to call a bosey bowler, especially if your self taught. Two things you could look at are where your elbow points and where the back of the hand faces at release. Good way is to stand pretty close to a wall and concentrate on having...