Australia in New Zealand

[eddiesmith]

Re: Australia in New Zealand

Hmm Watson, Marsh/Haddin, Ponting and Clarke slow coaches?

Interesting thought there. The slowest is Clarke and he scored at 148% tonight, and is striking at around 90 in the ODIs of late.

White hasn't scored since the start of the summer, with the exception of tonight.

Haddin and Marsh, on what they have shown recently, most definately, Clarke is only good at pushing singles, shows how easy batting was out there going on Clarkes strike rate and why Australia should have won easily, its the first time in his entire career he has done it

As for White, interesting take on things, he has a century, 3 50's and averages 47 for Australia since the beginning of the ODIs against Pakistan, wouldnt call that not scoring

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Clarke knows he has to work on his ability to clear the fence, or even reach it, in the T20 I thought he could have possibly gone the tonk a bit earlier then what he did. He seemed to be intent on rotating the strike to get White facing, however I thought at that stage we needed both batsmen going down town rather then just one.

Still, Australia tied the game which was a great effort, I don't count the bowl off or whatever it was, to me the cricket match was tied and then a gimmick was used to keep the masses from rioting.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Here is the ODI squad.

Ricky Ponting (c), Michael Clarke (v-c), Doug Bollinger, Brad Haddin, Nathan Hauritz, Ryan Harris, James Hopes, Mike Hussey, Mitchell Johnson, Clint McKay, Adam Voges, Shane Watson, Cameron White

Only 13 players bearing in mind that Marsh had to pull out due to injury.

Warner may win a recall to the ODI squad?

 

[thommy_rissole]

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Here is the ODI squad.

Ricky Ponting (c), Michael Clarke (v-c), Doug Bollinger, Brad Haddin, Nathan Hauritz, Ryan Harris, James Hopes, Mike Hussey, Mitchell Johnson, Clint McKay, Adam Voges, Shane Watson, Cameron White

Only 13 players bearing in mind that Marsh had to pull out due to injury.

Warner may win a recall to the ODI squad?

Agree with you there LtD, Warner might hang around in NZ when the T20 specialists go home.

I would personally love to see Hodge over there but we all know that won't happen

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Remind me of Hodge's performances in his last outing for Australian in the ODI format? (India 2007)

 

[Boris]

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Haddin and Marsh, on what they have shown recently, most definately, Clarke is only good at pushing singles, shows how easy batting was out there going on Clarkes strike rate and why Australia should have won easily, its the first time in his entire career he has done it

As for White, interesting take on things, he has a century, 3 50's and averages 47 for Australia since the beginning of the ODIs against Pakistan, wouldnt call that not scoring

Haddin has been scoring at 100 since he got into the team, and hasn't stopped. Marsh is out of form and starts slowly, if he got past 40 odd he'd score more quickly. He's an opener and can do that. Doesn't matter if you only hit singles. You do know you can score at a strike rate of 200 without hitting a boundary? He is needed there. Ponting - enough said.

I am not saying bad things about White or questioning his spot in the team. It's just that the people ahead of him have been playing brilliantly of the past few series.

White scored 100, 50 and then lots of 10s, couple of 20s, couple of 30s and a 50. He has been the least influential of them all, but in this team at the moment, it doesn't matter.

 

[thommy_rissole]

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Remind me of Hodge's performances in his last outing for Australian in the ODI format? (India 2007)

0, 3, 3, 17, DNB, 20, 16.

Terrible, agreed.

But, I bet you can't honestly say that Adam Voges is a better cricketer than Brad Hodge.

FRC 09/10 622 @ 69 *inc 4 centuries. It is not as if he isn't in form.

FWIW I would have Bailey in before Voges also.

 

[Boris]

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0, 3, 3, 17, DNB, 20, 16.

Terrible, agreed.

But, I bet you can't honestly say that Adam Voges is a better cricketer than Brad Hodge.

FRC 09/10 622 @ 69 *inc 4 centuries. It is not as if he isn't in form.

FWIW I would have Bailey in before Voges also.

There is the one very large nagging issue though. If Hodge is brought into the team, might as well make McGain our spinner.

I'm not one to really care about age that much, but he is getting on. He is sticking around to try and get into the World Cup side (which is on the subcontinent where he has struggled before ), which is of little chance happening.

Would like to see him play, of course, but not going to happen. Also where would the spot come from? White is the only one capable of being moved out IMO, and it's not as if he's in bad form. When you have Voges just having scored for his first time (hopefully not his last), Hopes going well, Marsh and Haddin trading spots, there is no room. Everyone has been quite brilliant, I would like to think Hodge wouldn't make much of a difference if he did come in.

 

[thommy_rissole]

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There is the one very large nagging issue though. If Hodge is brought into the team, might as well make McGain our spinner.

I'm not one to really care about age that much, but he is getting on. He is sticking around to try and get into the World Cup side (which is on the subcontinent where he has struggled before ), which is of little chance happening.

Would like to see him play, of course, but not going to happen. Also where would the spot come from? White is the only one capable of being moved out IMO, and it's not as if he's in bad form. When you have Voges just having scored for his first time (hopefully not his last), Hopes going well, Marsh and Haddin trading spots, there is no room. Everyone has been quite brilliant, I would like to think Hodge wouldn't make much of a difference if he did come in.

If Brad Hodge wasn't so disliked in the dressing room then he would've played a lot more for Australia. Agreed upon by almost all cricket followers.

He is 10 days younger than Ricky Ponting. Fact.

He has only played 25 ODI's for his Country when he has been the leading runscorer in the ODD competition in Australia for the best part of a decade. Fact.

He failed miserably last time at ODI level. FACT. (Hayden, Katich, Ponting, Clarke all came back better players after their first stint at International Level). So after 2 1/2 years he would have improved.

Granted I may be clutching at straws and there are only 6 spots available in the batting line-up but if Brad Hodge isn't in the best 6 batsmen in 50 over cricket in Australia then I don't understand cricket.

'White being the only one who is capable of being moved' - you're kidding right Bore-is? Voges, Marsh and Hopes I would've thought would be more replaceable then Cameron White.

White is more important to the ODI side than Hopes & Voges combined.

Steve Smith should replace Voges if you want a lower order bat who can bowl 4 overs of spin. Then again, that is probably something Hodge could do

 

[Boris]

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If Brad Hodge wasn't so disliked in the dressing room then he would've played a lot more for Australia. Agreed upon by almost all cricket followers.

He is 10 days younger than Ricky Ponting. Fact.

He has only played 25 ODI's for his Country when he has been the leading runscorer in the ODD competition in Australia for the best part of a decade. Fact.

He failed miserably last time at ODI level. FACT. (Hayden, Katich, Ponting, Clarke all came back better players after their first stint at International Level). So after 2 1/2 years he would have improved.

Granted I may be clutching at straws and there are only 6 spots available in the batting line-up but if Brad Hodge isn't in the best 6 batsmen in 50 over cricket in Australia then I don't understand cricket.

'White being the only one who is capable of being moved' - you're kidding right Bore-is? Voges, Marsh and Hopes I would've thought would be more replaceable then Cameron White.

White is more important to the ODI side than Hopes & Voges combined.

Steve Smith should replace Voges if you want a lower order bat who can bowl 4 overs of spin. Then again, that is probably something Hodge could do

10 days younger thank Ricky Ponting. And 300 odd less games. In fact there are many people calling for Ponting's retirement in this form, which says something.

You also say that White isn't the only one capable of being moved, and that Voges and Hopes are more likely to be. Are you forgetting that NEITHER of them are in the First XI.

Watson
Marsh
Ponting
Clarke
White
Hussey
Haddin
Bowlers (may be Hopes in there occasionally, but not likely.)

Hopes and Voges seem to only play on a rotational basis. And neither have done anything to warrant dropping from a winning team, therefore if Hodge wants a spot, he would have to go into this rotational part of the team, then be batting at 6, which is a waste of him.

The only place he can go is White's place or Marsh's place. White had a great start to the summer, but has been on a downward curve since. Would I drop him? Definitely not.

Marsh hasn't had the best of summers and is newish to the team as well. He has three good series behind his belt, though, is going well domestically and is an actual opener. I wouldn't be dropping him yet unless this injury keeps up.

If you drop Hopes or Voges to put in Hodge, where does he go? I wouldn't call him an opener, plus him and Watson want to tear each others hearts out. Haddin would most likely move up. Ponting and Clarke are unmovable. White could go lower, but would you want him to? Hussey could go lower but he is the best batsman in the team and giving him even less of a go is silly.

That means putting Hodge from 5-7, and also means you have 6 upper order players in the team. Hussey, Hopes, Voges, White are all good finishers and are at the end for a reason. It's not because they are worse batsmen, but because they score quickly without being idiots.

You would be putting in a number 3-4 batsman in at 6 (most likely) who can't bowl and hasn't batted down there for over a decade. I know he will be very capable at adjusting to the position, but why would you pick him over finishing specialists?

Are you going to drop Ponting, Clarke, White or Hussey? If not, then Hodge is nowhere near this team.

Why split up a team that can make 300+ with he highest individual score being 63?

The ODI team is looking great the way it is. No need to disrupt it.

 

[sab456]

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Wow.. seems like we only have aussie supporters in here..

That McCullum innings was something special.. dear me.. that last over Tait bowled was right on the money. Those scoop shots were just so ridiculous.

I agree with the commentators that 'kids dont try this at home'. Slightly get the angle wrong on that one and 'BAM !', it would ram on your face/helmet.

Oh boy.. Just can't wait for the ODIs to start.. Rooting for the black cats here.. hehe.. Will be fun for sure

 

[thommy_rissole]

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10 days younger thank Ricky Ponting. And 300 odd less games. In fact there are many people calling for Ponting's retirement in this form, which says something.

You also say that White isn't the only one capable of being moved, and that Voges and Hopes are more likely to be. Are you forgetting that NEITHER of them are in the First XI.

Watson
Marsh
Ponting
Clarke
White
Hussey
Haddin
Bowlers (may be Hopes in there occasionally, but not likely.)

Hopes and Voges seem to only play on a rotational basis. And neither have done anything to warrant dropping from a winning team, therefore if Hodge wants a spot, he would have to go into this rotational part of the team, then be batting at 6, which is a waste of him.

The only place he can go is White's place or Marsh's place. White had a great start to the summer, but has been on a downward curve since. Would I drop him? Definitely not.

Marsh hasn't had the best of summers and is newish to the team as well. He has three good series behind his belt, though, is going well domestically and is an actual opener. I wouldn't be dropping him yet unless this injury keeps up.

If you drop Hopes or Voges to put in Hodge, where does he go? I wouldn't call him an opener, plus him and Watson want to tear each others hearts out. Haddin would most likely move up. Ponting and Clarke are unmovable. White could go lower, but would you want him to? Hussey could go lower but he is the best batsman in the team and giving him even less of a go is silly.

That means putting Hodge from 5-7, and also means you have 6 upper order players in the team. Hussey, Hopes, Voges, White are all good finishers and are at the end for a reason. It's not because they are worse batsmen, but because they score quickly without being idiots.

You would be putting in a number 3-4 batsman in at 6 (most likely) who can't bowl and hasn't batted down there for over a decade. I know he will be very capable at adjusting to the position, but why would you pick him over finishing specialists?

Are you going to drop Ponting, Clarke, White or Hussey? If not, then Hodge is nowhere near this team.

Why split up a team that can make 300+ with he highest individual score being 63?

The ODI team is looking great the way it is. No need to disrupt it.

I give up. You win

 

[Boris]

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Wow.. seems like we only have aussie supporters in here..

That McCullum innings was something special.. dear me.. that last over Tait bowled was right on the money. Those scoop shots were just so ridiculous.

I agree with the commentators that 'kids dont try this at home'. Slightly get the angle wrong on that one and 'BAM !', it would ram on your face/helmet.

Oh boy.. Just can't wait for the ODIs to start.. Rooting for the black cats here.. hehe.. Will be fun for sure

I wish I could have seen it, sounded like a bloody brilliant innings. The first time someone has gotten on top of Tait, and for that matter the rest of the bowling attack this summer (despite tough opposition ).

Hope for a contest.

 

[alice005]

Re: Australia V New Zealand

Fri Feb 26
1st T20I - New Zealand v Australia
Westpac Stadium, Wellington

Sun Feb 28
2nd T20I - New Zealand v Australia
AMI Stadium, Christchurch

Wed Mar 3
1st ODI - New Zealand v Australia
McLean Park, Napier

Sat Mar 6
2nd ODI - New Zealand v Australia
Eden Park, Auckland

Tue Mar 9
3rd ODI - New Zealand v Australia
Seddon Park, Hamilton

Thu Mar 11
4th ODI - New Zealand v Australia
Eden Park, Auckland

Sat Mar 13
5th ODI - New Zealand v Australia
Westpac Stadium, Wellington

Fri Mar 19 - Tue Mar 23
1st Test - New Zealand v Australia
Basin Reserve, Wellington

Sat Mar 27 - Wed Mar 31
2nd Test - New Zealand v Australia
Seddon Park, Hamilton

Great. Thanks for your sharing.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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0, 3, 3, 17, DNB, 20, 16.

Terrible, agreed.

But, I bet you can't honestly say that Adam Voges is a better cricketer than Brad Hodge.

FRC 09/10 622 @ 69 *inc 4 centuries. It is not as if he isn't in form.

FWIW I would have Bailey in before Voges also.

Brad Hodge and Adam Voges are different players.

Brad Hodge is a class player, everyone agrees with that. But at the end of the day he really did harm his chances on that tour. There just isn't a place for him in our current team.

Hodge is ideally suited to playing at number 3 in the ODI team, and as we all know, there is a one Ricky Ponting there which makes it hard for Hodge.

Hodge isn't the type of player who can come in at 5 and start boshing boundaries in the last 5 overs. As such we are better off picking guys like Voges, who are capable of playing those blazing knocks. Who can forget his 100 off 50 balls in 2004/05 in a state game.

Our middle order is solid with Hussey, Clarke and Ponting. There is no place for Hodge there.

As well as that Voges is younger, and Hodge struggles on the subcontinent, the locatio of the next world cup.

I have no problem picking Voges or Hopes over Hodge considering the make up of our team.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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Wow.. seems like we only have aussie supporters in here..

That McCullum innings was something special.. dear me.. that last over Tait bowled was right on the money. Those scoop shots were just so ridiculous.

I agree with the commentators that 'kids dont try this at home'. Slightly get the angle wrong on that one and 'BAM !', it would ram on your face/helmet.

Oh boy.. Just can't wait for the ODIs to start.. Rooting for the black cats here.. hehe.. Will be fun for sure

Who would have thouht... an Australian board full of aussie fans.

I'm hoping for a good game...an Australian victory and as quickly as possible.

That's is my idea of a good game.

 

[Boris]

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Who would have thouht... an Australian board full of aussie fans.

I'm hoping for a good game...an Australian victory and as quickly as possible.

That's is my idea of a good game.

I have to say I'm the opposite. Die hard Aussie fan, but like it when it comes down to the last few balls.

 

[The Ox]

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I have to say I'm the opposite. Die hard Aussie fan, but like it when it comes down to the last few balls.

Yep. Best result for me is Australia winning on the last ball.

 

[LIONS then DAYLIGHT]

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I have to say I'm the opposite. Die hard Aussie fan, but like it when it comes down to the last few balls.

Well, as I said, I disagree.

I like seeing Australia dominate, smashing runs and taking wickets quickly.

It makes for entertaining cricket.

I don't care much about the score, if Australia wins a tight game then good, but I rather a smashing.

 

[Ljp86]

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Who would have thouht... an Australian board full of aussie fans.

I'm hoping for a good game...an Australian victory and as quickly as possible.

That's is my idea of a good game.

This isn't an Australian board, it's an International Cricket discussion forum for fans of all countries.