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this would be my dream team, the opening batsmen are not genuine openers but i had to fit them in. i know people will disagree, this is just my opinion, i really only wanted 1 allrounder in there but for team balance i had to add hadlee as well as i didnt have another seam option, i would prefer glen mcgrath but batting gilchrist at 6 meant i needed another batting option as well so hadlee fitted the bill. as you can see all the batting options are covered, and the bowling attack is simply awesome. sangakara was very close to getting the keeping gig, but gilchrist was my favorite player so i had to add him. i would open the bowling with lillee and akram, nice right left combo. no disrespect to sobers, i prefer bowling allrounders than batting allrounders in a very strong batting side. i know some of the batsmen going around today have better averages than some of those chosen, but when you consider the bats they used and the much bigger grounds (no ropes) and the bouncer rule (without helmets), i think that makes up for it.
1 viv richards
2 lara
3 bradman
4 gavascar
5 G. chappel
6 gilchrist
7 imran khan
8 hadlee
9 wasim akram
10 warne
11 lillee
 
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An endless amount of combinations and arguments for this thread. It really is a good topic to get into.

No McGrath in your side though which is the glaring omission there, other than that it's pretty reasonable. Plenty of challengers for Hadlee's spot and also Greg Chappell's.

Still a pretty good side though.
 
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Test:
Sir Jack Hobbs
Herbert Sutcliffe
Sir Donald Bradman
Sir Viv Richards
Graeme Pollock
Sir Garfield Sobers
Adam Gilchrist (WK)
Shane Warne
Wasim Akram
Sydney Barnes
Malcolm Marshall

ODi:
Sachin Tendulkar
Matthew Hayden
Sir Viv Richards
Jacques Kallis
Kevin Pietersen
MS Dhoni (Wk)
Lance Kluesenar
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Akram
Muttiah Muralitharan
Glenn McGrath

My teams. I win. =D
 
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Ljp86;330404 said:
An endless amount of combinations and arguments for this thread. It really is a good topic to get into.

No McGrath in your side though which is the glaring omission there, other than that it's pretty reasonable. Plenty of challengers for Hadlee's spot and also Greg Chappell's.

Still a pretty good side though.
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yeah i thought greg chapel would be a surprise, great batsmen and great first slipper. i would have loved mcgrath in there, but not at the expence of lillee or akram.
 
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King Pietersen;330405 said:
Test:
Sir Jack Hobbs
Herbert Sutcliffe
Sir Donald Bradman
Sir Viv Richards
Graeme Pollock
Sir Garfield Sobers
Adam Gilchrist (WK)
Shane Warne
Wasim Akram
Sydney Barnes
Malcolm Marshall
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Now, I like that but I'd be tempted to shoehorn Kallis in there as well - why not have (arguably) the two best all rounders ever in there? As to who I drop, then probably Pollack but it's a tough one.

By doing this, I can get Knott (no slouch with the bat) in as keeper and have his superior skills behind the stumps. Think this is a good option as there is so much batting talent available that it makes sense to go with the best glove man.

Also, there has to be considerations for Lara, Headley, Gavaskar and Tendulkar. Then you could also consider Imran Khan, Keith Miller, Mcgrath, Hadlee, Botham, Lillee and any number of West Indian paceman of the 70's/80's.

The potentials are endless.
 
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King Pietersen;330405 said:
Test:
Sir Jack Hobbs
Herbert Sutcliffe
Sir Donald Bradman
Sir Viv Richards
Graeme Pollock
Sir Garfield Sobers
Adam Gilchrist (WK)
Shane Warne
Wasim Akram
Sydney Barnes
Malcolm Marshall

ODi:
Sachin Tendulkar
Matthew Hayden
Sir Viv Richards
Jacques Kallis
Kevin Pietersen
MS Dhoni (Wk)
Lance Kluesenar
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Akram
Muttiah Muralitharan
Glenn McGrath

My teams. I win. =D
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i dont think so. lol, i suppose its just a matter of opinion. a very nicely balanced ODI team, scoring quick runs wont be a problem here, beven was probably the best ODI batsmen of all time and had them handy left arm chinamens as well, he and oram could rescue an innings if need be, simonds is a must for me with his power hitting and handy bowling, same with botham, unlucky were warne, pollock, lara, afridi and tendulkar.
my ODI team
jayasuria bat/bowl
gilchrist WK
ponting b/0
richards b/b
simonds b/b
bevan b/b
oram b/b
botham b/b
akram 0/b
mcgrath 0/b
Muralitharan 0/b
 
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The lack of Tendulkar at the top of the order is enough to dismiss that team for me. There's never been a better ODi opening batsman than Sachin Tendulkar. He's got a fantastic average, has scored more hundreds than anyone else and he's still got a decent strike rate. Should be a shoe in for any ODi team.

Personally I'd rather go with Hayden at the top of the order, and then the keeper down the order, and for me either Gilchrist opens, or he doesn't play. Dhoni's 4th in terms of all-time Batting averages in ODi cricket, only bettered by Bevan, Hussey and Pietersen. That's also a reason that KP's in my team, 3rd highest batting average in ODi cricket history, and he's got far less not-outs than Bevan, Hussey and Dhoni, and bats higher up the order. Bevan's not the greatest ODi batsman of all-time either, his average is massively enhanced by the sheer amount of not-outs, and the fact he batted for his average. His strike-rate was nowhere near good enough for him to be a real success in the modern game, especially when chasing, a strike rate of 67 in the modern game is simply not good enough.

I'd also not pick Oram, there are far better all-rounders than him. Kallis, Kluesener, Pollock, Flintoff, Dev, Botham, Imran, heck I'd even take Hadlee over Oram tbh. He's a good modern player, but he's not good enough to get into a world XI, nors Symonds. He's got a decent enough record, but there are definitely better batsmen than him. Kallis, Pietersen, Lara, Yousuf, Jones, I'd even take Ramnaresh Sarwan ahead of Symonds as well. It's a World XI, so you should be expecting your 4 bowlers and all-rounder to bowl 10 overs a piece if they're the best, shouldn't need part-time bowlers. I've got McGrath, Akram, Pollock, Muralitharan, Kluesenar and Kallis who all have very decent records, I shouldn't need part-time spin/medium-pace.
 
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yeah im well aware of tendulkars record, but just the fact that he dosnt make the runs when most needed is of major concern to me, to my knoledge he"s allways failed in major world cup games, jacob oram (at his best) is an awesome hitter and is a very handy ODI bowler, as i said its just a personel preference, symonds is a big match performer and also has awesome hitting abilities, i really just dont like peiterson, i wouldnt care if he averaged 150, he found true love when he first looked in the mirror and he"s just a downright tool. and bevan won more games for Australia with his perfectly timed innings than anyone has for their country and was more than capable of quick runs if need be, was as quick between the wickets as anyone and he took wickets. and remember he"s average is final, he was the most reliable ODI player i have seen. dhoni is yet to prove himself outside of small sub continant grounds for mine. also i would prefer a better batsman at 8 than pollock who never set the world on fire with the bat, so i think bothams a better choice there, i think you need a very capable batsmen at no8 in todays ODs. and i disagree about not having part time bowlers in the team, i remember mcgrath getting bent over by tillikaratna and jayasuria one summer and part time bowling was needed, varietys the spice of life and very important in ODIs. but lets not argue, lets just agree that my teams better. lol
 
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Mohammed Yousuf should be in the test line up, decent on all wickets and scored serious runs against most opponents. Pollock not setting the world on fire with the bat... I missed something , he did score a fair amount of runs and was a pretty sharp bowler in the beginning of his career, Botham was good but injuries plagued him and there better be lots of wine in the cooler.
Sunil Gavaskar and Kapil Dev should not be forgotton, as they put India on the map. I would definitely would have Barry Richards and Mike Proctor in my side.. KP definitely not for me as he would want all the attention and other legends of the game might take the spot light away.
I am gonna shock everyone and mention Heath Streak.. he was magic on debut and for his first 3 seasons.
 
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i dont know why prople rave about barry richards, nice test average for stuff all runs, i think he"s true average can be found in his first class carreer, only 50 odd. also my teams made up of players at their best, botham at his best was simply awesome before the weight started pileing on and he met his best mate beer. he was considered a genius at his best, ive never heard of pollock mentioned in those terms, my teams made up of players who have impressed me the most, i do concede oram may have been the wrong choice.
 
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He averaged about 55 and had one of the best techniques seen in the game. Hit 1000 runs in a season 15 times. Scored quickly, and was a match winner. Absolute gun.
 
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in a much lower grade though. the same can be said for greame pollock, we are really guessing about how good they would have been, many good judges say greame pollock was the best left hander to play the game, its a crying shame we never found out how good both these players were, i never seen them play so i cant put them in my team. and not enough runs at the top level to get a true average, through no fault of there own.
 
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Some describe Pollock as the 2nd greatest behind Bradman. These some include Bradman himself from memory. If it wasn't for the expulsion from world cricket his stats would rival the best, if they didn't already.

true legend of the game.

p.s Border could get a look in for this team. decent mid wicket and little dablers.
 
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something like that. when Bradman says something like, you tend to take notice of it.

My Team would look like

W.H Ponsford
W.G Grace
Sir D.Bradman (capt)
Sir V. Richards
G. Pollock
Sir G. Sobers
A. Gilchrist (wk)
S.K Warne
M.Marshall
C.Ambrose / R.Benaud (depending on pitch, conditions ect)
G McGrath

12th man - Kapil Dev.
 
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very nice, i didnt go to as much trouble as you and kingP, i just added players i had seen play and the don. lol, i see curtly ambrose didnt get a mention in my or kingps teams, probably the best one day bowler ever, and at least in the top 3 test pace bowlers. mistakes happen.
 
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A.B De Villiers;332777 said:
Some describe Pollock as the 2nd greatest behind Bradman. These some include Bradman himself from memory. If it wasn't for the expulsion from world cricket his stats would rival the best, if they didn't already.

true legend of the game.

p.s Border could get a look in for this team. decent mid wicket and little dablers.
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i would put steve waugh before border, waugh will go down as the greatest captain of all time, and there would be no one better on a dodgy seaming pitch, he valued his wicket more than his life, terry okeefe said he would shoulder arms to his grandma in the backyard chrismas test match if he didnt like the look of her delivery.. lol
 
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A.B De Villiers;332777 said:
Some describe Pollock as the 2nd greatest behind Bradman. These some include Bradman himself from memory. If it wasn't for the expulsion from world cricket his stats would rival the best, if they didn't already.

true legend of the game.

p.s Border could get a look in for this team. decent mid wicket and little dablers.
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How about Archie Jackson?
 
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First two chosen, Bradman and Sobers. After that it gets a little tricky.
On a very quick, no deep thought or any research at all, post:

Test side

Hobbs
Ponsford
Trumper
Bradman (c)
Tendulkar
Sobers - possibly vice captain
Imran Khan???? probably prefer an extra genuine bowler; but if picked is a possible vice captian, anyone who could get Pakistan to play as a team was one hell of a captain
Healy - if choosing a keeper-batsman, Andy Flower ahead of Gilchrist, but Healy on glovework
Warne
Holding
McGrath

May, Sutcliffe, Miandad, Akram, Muralitharan, Marshall, Barrington, O'Reilly, G Chappell, Barnes, IVA Richards, B Richards, Lillee (in place of Imran?) and plenty of others (including, no doubt, some who have slipped my mind) are all worthy contenders.
 
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