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International Scheduling

This calander year, Australia will have played the following schedule:

9 Twenty20 Internationals
13 Test Matches, and...

33 One Day Internationals.

It's ridiculous. I don't mind having a few ODIs tacked onto Test tours, but I object to overly long series (7 matches is absurd; even 5 is a bit of a stretch) and tours that are just for ODIs (who cares about the Pakistan series in the Middle East, or our upcoming trip to India?).

I'd like to see them limited to a handful of matches to lead into a Test series (3 or at most 5), and designated tournaments like the WC and Champions Trophy. Ideally they'd can the Champions Trophy as well.
 
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part of the reason for the Indian tour is to assure them we aren't going to back away from cricket there in the face of the terrorist threat. it might mean a bit more if they went to Pakistan but that boat sailed long ago. the reason that there are so many games in India is that they have 20 or so test venues, most of which would not survive without the money they get from the gate receipts from a ODI.
the series against Pakistan is to pretend we haven't abandoned them. how else are they going to get international experience if nobody will go to Pakistan?
having been their closest neighbour and ignoring them for the better part of forty years we owe the kiwis something to help develop their game. three ODIs a year is not much of a price to pay.
and i find it difficult to accept player burn out when they are all quite happy to go and play hit and giggle in the IPL for a bag of cash; when they travel everywhere by business class at least and stay in five star hotels; and when they make more in a year than i will in twenty for playing a sport they supposedly love. if player burn out was such a problem why do so many of them line up to play in all three forms of the game?
 
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get rid of T20s altogether from scheduling and that would help too.

leave the IPL for that. they are just hit and giggle for the international teams, might as well leave them for domestic teams.
 
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T20 on the international scene is going to stay. and i don't know that this is necessarily a bad thing. i thought that a good idea for having a bit of fun would be taking the two teams and swapping their bowling attacks so that essentially both sides are playing themselves and also increasing the chances of good rapport developing for the rest of the tour.
i don't think that there is too much cricket per se, rather that we expect our teams to win these tournaments by the maximum amount possible. if they really don't mean anything, as long as there is some good cricket on show what does it matter if we beat the Indians 3-2 instead of 5-0? or even lose 2-3? as far as i can see the only reason to be concerned about the ODI team's performance is if they play crap and come home 0-5 or 1-4 losers. even if they came home 0-5 but lost every game by less than 10 runs or 1 wicket what does that matter?
 
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they are payed enough and they are all blokes averaging 30 or so years of age. they should be able to do it with no trouble. thats their job and there are plenty of other employees in a job that requires more physical strain then them 8 hours a day, 5-6 days a week. and they generally get payed badly.
 
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It's time that the ICC grew some and actually sorted out the mess that is the international schedule.

The majority of series should consist of 3 tests, 3 ODI and 2 Twenty20. The Twenty20 games can be played on the same day, one morning and one evening.

A small number of series can be made into 5 test affairs, the Ashes, Ind vs Pak and so on, with maybe a similar increase for ODI.

As things stand the schedule is messy. How many people are really interested in the current 7 match OD series between Aus and England? I glance at it every now and again but that's about as far as it goes and it will be likewise for many. Too many games at the wrong time of year, spread out over far too long a period.
 
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to be honest i like this ODI series against england. i think it is the right length.

but things shouldnt be quite so long against other countries.

only south africa maybe.
 
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7 games is overkill, nothing more, nothing less. 3 is a great number, 5 at a push but played over a short time period.

We need to be making the cricket 'great' in order to attract fans not having meanless fixtures that just go on and on and on.
 
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mas cambios;364587 said:
It's time that the ICC grew some and actually sorted out the mess that is the international schedule.

The majority of series should consist of 3 tests, 3 ODI and 2 Twenty20. The Twenty20 games can be played on the same day, one morning and one evening.

A small number of series can be made into 5 test affairs, the Ashes, Ind vs Pak and so on, with maybe a similar increase for ODI.

As things stand the schedule is messy. How many people are really interested in the current 7 match OD series between Aus and England? I glance at it every now and again but that's about as far as it goes and it will be likewise for many. Too many games at the wrong time of year, spread out over far too long a period.
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Firstly, the fixture list is governed by the "Future Programs" guide, which has already been formulated, signed, sealed and delivered up till around 2011 I believe. So the fixture list won't be changing anytime soon. Get used to it.

Most people aren't interest in the 7 ODI's because the tour has been going so long. Since May. Another reason why many English people aren't interested, is surprise surprise, they are getting hammered to pillar and post. And Im enjoying every minute of it.

The lack of talent in that English side is something to behold.

This is exactly what England said they wanted to avoid post Ashes. Hell, some scribes were even talking about what England had to do to overtake Australia in the ODI rankings. How the tune has changed.

Trying to correlated England's failures at ODI level to fatigue and what not is a bit rich considering we have been on the road for longer. Trying to offset the failures by saying "no-one cares" is also equally weak.

England's post Ashes performance has been disgraceful, if its a sign of things to come, then its going to be very enjoyable for this poster.

Thank You Very Much Indeed.
 
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The ideal number of ODI's in a tour is 0. Turn them into pro40 games, put some wacky mid-innings rules in or get rid of them altogether.

When was the last time anyone here can remember an ODI that was exciting, or even mildly worth watching? The game was invented as an exciting, fast game to attract people who weren't going to watch 4 or 5 day first-class games. This is what 20/20 does now, 50 over games are no longer useful or relevant.
 
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What a load of crap.

Those people who were at the ground at watched the innings of Ponting's today will remember it forever.

I can remember heaps of ODI's that were exciting, i've been watching cricket for 15 years (im 22) and some of the best games I have ever seen have been one day games.

Get rid of T20 I say, keep the ODI's but cut down on the amount.

ODI cricket can produce great cricket, at times, the cricket I have seen in the one day format has eclipsed test cricket with regards to the skill-sets on show.
 
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7 games, too many? There are 3 dead rubber matches with the series decided. There should not be more odis than tests. I am not a real fan of the shorter versions of the game, so I would be happier if only one was kept. If it has to be T20 then it needs to be sorted out. It feels like there is a major tournament every year. The T20 phenomenon is just about as boring as cricket can possibly get, and as low in skill as it can possibly get. The true challenge (read test) of playes ability is over the longer form of the game.

Get some balance in the series, more tests, less/no odis and not too many T20s.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;365089 said:
What a load of crap.

Those people who were at the ground at watched the innings of Ponting's today will remember it forever.
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WOOP WOOP WOOP HERE COME THE HYPERBOLE POLICE TO LOCK YOU UP IN EXAGGERATION-TRAZ! He scored a century against a poor side, who had made 300 themselves. A fine innings, to be sure, but evidence that ODI's shouldn't be scrapped? I think not. The same thing happens far more regularly in test cricket.

I can remember heaps of ODI's that were exciting, i've been watching cricket for 15 years (im 22) and some of the best games I have ever seen have been one day games.
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How many of them in the last 12 months? Can you name the teams who played, where it was, and the general gist of how the game unfolded? I'm sure you could for famous test matches (Ind v Aus 07/08 in Sydney, for example), ODI's are hugely forgettable, so they need to be highly exciting to make them worth anyone's time.

Get rid of T20 I say, keep the ODI's but cut down on the amount.

ODI cricket can produce great cricket, at times, the cricket I have seen in the one day format has eclipsed test cricket with regards to the skill-sets on show.
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Mark my words, ODI cricket will not exist in it's current format in 5 years. Whether that means 40 over games, two-innings games or some other drastic rule change. Most groups, including the ICC themselves, have admitted the one-dayers are dying and need a complete reoverhaul (The future of ODIs | In Focus | Cricket News | Cricinfo.com), the question is what that overhaul will be and how long it will take.
 
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One thing is for sure, you wouldn't get the chance to see that type of batting in T20 cricket.

It was orthodox batting of the highest order, and thats what I want to see when I watch cricket. Good quality play.

I don't want to see some clown try and reverse sweep and get out, I don't want to see some unknown rookie hurling himself off his feet, eyes closed, trying to put a ball into orbit only for it to skew off the edge and go for 4.

Its awful cricket.

If that floats your boat, then fine, stick to watching T20.

We haven't really played a lot of ODI cricket in the last few months, I can still remember some of the ODI's we played against South Africa.

Some of those were great contests.

If your argument is that ODI's are entirely forgettable then surely the same applies to T20's?

50 over cricket may not exist in its current format in 5 years time, but I have no doubt it will still be contested in a similar format, whether thats 40 over or 45 overs or whatever.

You make no logical argument for favouring T20's over ODI cricket. Your points about ODI being forgettable applys to T20's, if not more so.
 
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You are correct, T20's are absolutely as forgettable, if not more so, than ODI cricket. A T20 game goes for around 3 hours, however, and is non-stop action the whole time. ODI's take the worst parts of test cricket (slow-scoring, defensive fields) and T20 (meaningless, forgettable matches), pads them out for 8 hours and puts them together into a figurative turd sandwich of a game.

I'd be quite happy to spend a few hours watching a T20 game and say 'oh that was nice' at the end of it, and never speak about it again. With an ODI, that few hours turns into a whole day, minus the fun of seeing people swing wildly from ball one, and you still have nothing substantial to take from the end of it.

Test cricket is for watching high quality batting and bowling, T20 is for a quick fix of reckless slogging, and ODI's try to be both, but end up being neither.
 
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LIONS then DAYLIGHT;365548 said:
OMG Fergie is uber godlike batsmen.
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You really do wonder about the intelligence of the average Pom.

Reading an article today on an english paper site about how it wasn't right that England weren't given enough time to reflect on their achievement of winning the ashes. Hell, its been nearly a month since they won the urn, they are about to fly out to an ICC competition and they are still bleating about the ashes.

When we won the Ashes in 06/07 from memory we had to back up a few days later for the CB Bank opening match. We didn't whinge, we did what we had to do.

It is a part of the fixture list these days that tours, games and travelling more or less merge into one. There is no time for grand self-serving satisfaction.

The latest drubbing in the ODI's should have well and truly smashed the thought into the English that it is time to move on.

England won the Ashes, good for you, no-one else outside England or Australia really gives a stuff about your bleating about fixtures. Deal with it.

Enjoy your early exit from the Champions Trophy, and enjoy your smashing in South Africa over your winter.

I know I will.
 
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