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grapedo;313642 said:I then proved that Sobers wouldn't because they had a much better spin bowler than him.
mas cambios;313651 said:Sobers wasn't merely a spin bowler, he was also a medium fast left armer. Also, he was picked as mainly as a bowler at the start of his career.
mas cambios;313662 said:By which time he had evolved into something else. Gibbs was a great player but how would he have fared without Sobers and vice versa? Bowlers tend to hunt in packs, so it's very hard to surmise what they're affect would be if removed from that pack.
You can analyse it how you want but I say (that is, my opinion) that he would have made the team on bowling. He brought to much to attack to be ignored.
grapedo;313668 said:Well I can't see how he would have been picked for his bowling solely on a regular basis especially when they had a better spinner.
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You miss the point, he wasn't solely a spinner. More often than not he bowled medium/medium fast and as such would warrant a place as the 3rd or 4th seamer.
Also, his average isn't that much worse than Gibbs, something like 4 runs in it?
Lance Gibbs didn't make his debut until 4 years after Sobers so that is why he was picked as a spin bowler early on. Also What apart from spin bowling out of the things that you highlighted did Sobers do that Kallis couldn't or didn't.Mousey;313971 said:Sobers is the best allrounder ever because:
- He was an outstanding batsman; could be picked purely as a batsman
- He could be picked purely as a bowler; either as a spinner (left-arm orthodox and left-arm chinamen/unorthodox) or quick (left arm fast medium).
- He was a fantastic fieldsman
Sobers ability to influence the game as a batsman, spinner, quick or fielder is unrivaled. He could open the bowling or bowl some spinners, whether wrist or finger spin. He could make big scores (he avergaved about 58) and he could do some incredible things. He was the first to hit 6 sixes in a first-class over, he hit a magical 150-odd for the World XI. Don't try to make the point he wouldn't be picked as a bowler because in his first games he was. In his first match he batted at 9. Don't forget he could also open the bowling. The variety he gave the West Indies would easily be reason enough for his selection.
grapedo;314128 said:Lance Gibbs didn't make his debut until 4 years after Sobers so that is why he was picked as a spin bowler early on. Also What apart from spin bowling out of the things that you highlighted did Sobers do that Kallis couldn't or didn't.
breeno;314132 said:Sobers could turn a game on it's head with both bat and ball.
You can only count on Kallis for 2 or 3 wickets an innings.
Kallis sits in slip all day (albeit a good catcher) but Sobers was Symonds like in the field.
Sobers would have been picked for his bowling even if he couldn't bat, I'm not too sure that at the moment, whether Kallis would be picked purely on his bowling.