Tongs
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I don't need to get on and say a thing about your comments on our game. You've never been taken seriously anyway.
Money Shield 2012/13
- Thread starter Warwick Todd
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I don't need to get on and say a thing about your comments on our game. You've never been taken seriously anyway.
hackbowler
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Remember Wobble mentioning last season that over the past three seasons the reason the a grade team gave for not going up is - yr1 Joal Crook, Yr2 Arnburger, Yr3 Julian Delehant (took 35 wickets). whos fault now...is it one of the players by any chace> The have lost a lot of good people from lower lately - they might be in trouble.
Warwick Todd
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I popped my head up there on Saturday and the wheels have definitely fallen off at Lower Plenty. And not just in their 1's either. Their 2's and 3's are not going well. Only a couple of years ago it was a very strong club, now its top 3 teams are 9th, 9th and 8th on the ladder respectively. All three are about to receive massive thrashings this round too. Perhaps Dick Emery needs to pull the whites on.
3slips2gullys
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Playing juniors is 1 thing but they have to deserve a game. L.plenty are in the premiership window and I heard they knocked back 3 or 4 experienced players to top up their list. They made poor choices with their list and blooding juniors just for development is wrong. For the club and the kid. Culture is 1 thing and we've all heard theirs is a bit ordinary. But they wouldn't be on their own. Don't believe non playing coaches work either. If they get beat this week how much shit will hit the fan?
The Goonies
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I don't agree with the blooding youngsters bit- I reckon it's great for experience for the young blokes. Hberg had 9 blokes under 24 this week
3slips2gullys
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Does that make h'berg a good side? I've played in 6 premierships and at most we had 3 guys under 23. Not because that was planned, just weren't good enough at the time and kids weren't getting a game just to blood them. In my experience kids don't try as hard these days as when I was coming through. Most clubs these days play young kids (16-22yr olds) in their ones cos they have to not because they are deserving of a game. That doesn't mean there aren't some ripper kids going around, but the older guys do more of the run making or wicket taking. So in regards l.plenty maybe they are getting it wrong!
The Goonies
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Nah I wasn't saying that I was just saying that I think, if managed correctly having young players in the 1's can work and be great for a club in 2-4 years time and if they are good enough to play now it certainly is a great thing. In saying that if the young players are playing out of necessity and no one else is coming through then it's a worry, won't comment on LP as I don't know what's going on
captain cuzz
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Big news out of the DVCA meeting last night that will concern the current bottom 4 or so from Money Shield.
From next year on the comp will have a MAXIMUM of 12 teams per grade.
That means the bottom 2 from MS this year will play B Grade next, bottom 4 from B Grade will play C Grade and so on until we get to the bottom few grades.
Front runners would be TU and Whittlesea, but any side from 5th to 14th is a chance with only a game and half in it.
Interesting times ahead....
From next year on the comp will have a MAXIMUM of 12 teams per grade.
That means the bottom 2 from MS this year will play B Grade next, bottom 4 from B Grade will play C Grade and so on until we get to the bottom few grades.
Front runners would be TU and Whittlesea, but any side from 5th to 14th is a chance with only a game and half in it.
Interesting times ahead....
Tongs
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Yeah, huge news for many clubs and I agree with the thought process and concept. One thing i strongly disagree on, is being told half way through the year. All clubs should have been told well in advance of the season starting of what will occur, and that those that finish second last etc go down, not mid season If the decision was only just made, then it shouldn't happen for another year.
Good decision enforced at the wrong time in my opinion.
Declaration Bowler
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Is there to be promotion/relegation B <> MS at the end of this season?
If so, it would be bottom 3 going down, not 2.
Ex Prez
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yep agreed, I raised this with the Exec back in July when it was first discussed. I made it clear - well I thought I did - that you have to notify clubs then of any pending structure changes - not well into the season.
However right decision will be reached but wrong way about doing it again.
Will certianly make the competitions fiercer in MS and then also B grades and C grades.
Next year with up to 3-4 teams firsts potentialy palying in B grade. Tough gig for the 2nds teams in there.
Ex Prez
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With Mill Park clear favourites in B grade, maybe they will decide that later...
shortnwide
Active Member
You have to promote the side that wins it provided they want to come up (which if mill park win I'm sure they will). I'm not sure about the impact that dropping three sides into B-Grade will have. My concern is you effectively create a two tiered grade where the 1st XIs will dominate. If this is what the diamond valley want perhaps they should bite the bullet rather than nibble it and create three 10 club grades, more two day cricket ( I'm not sure how they'd fit that into 20/21 weekends. Who said we need an even number of teams. 11 teams a grade; 20 days and a reserve week. Essentially the third grade should be with as many 1st XIs as possible. Other clubs I'm sure are interested in joining, we've seen the on field benefit of accepting strong HDCA clubs provided we accept the right kind of clubs I'm sure dvca are open to more.
WanderingUnity
Active Member
Do agree in principal Tongs, but this decision needed to be made, and this year. It is too hard from a fixturing point of view to have 14 sides in most grades, and only 12 in highest division.
All Clubs knew that either this year or next there would be a reduction in the amount of sides in Money and below.
Yes it is unfortunate for those that have had a bad start to the year.
Will be some massive games coming up, one day games against fellow strugglers now count for double.
And yes, there will be 3 sides relegated from all grades to allow for promotion of the premiers.
WanderingUnity
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What a very interesting meeting it would have been if this discussion topic was not brought up by a member of the floor - the Exec did not look likely to raise the topic at all, and if not prodded to do so, we may all have been kept in the dark for a little longer.
3slips2gullys
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Didn't I say a few weeks ago this should happen? Best thing for entire comp. Stiff shit to the clubs it effects. It would have happened to them at some point anyway. And which knucklehead said to have 11 teams in one grade? That means having a bye which would be bloody ridiculous if that team got washed out in their next game. No cricket for a Month - what fun!! Good decision I say. Make these ordinary clubs do more to stay up!
Tongs
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As I said, I think it's the decision that needed to be made. But the timing is woeful. It's fine if it happens next year, but we should have been told at the start of the season. Not mid way through. You're spot on. Every game now is pretty much worth finals or relegation!
I wonder if there will be any clearances put through between now and the cut off time???
captain cuzz
Member
Considering it was on the agenda for the night, I'm sure it would have been raised art some stage had someone from the floor bot raised it.
WanderingUnity
Active Member
Placed on the agenda by a Club - not the Exec.