Ponting good batsman, but good captain?

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Ponting good batsman, but good captain?

Punter said something interesting in his interview after making 99. He said that when batting he can forget about the pressures of being captain and just concentrate on the job at hand ( or words to that effect)

Anyone can look like a good captain when the team is strong and everyone steps up. The last two test matches have exposed him as I suspected they would, as a person who does not have the ability to think outside the square. There was no real pressure ever put on SA when things were going wrong.

I can't be the only one who was sitting watching, and thinking "for Gods sake just do something bloody different". He is a supreme batsman but as a tactically adept captain he is a total failure.

Warney won the IPL by being a pro-active and inventive thinker. Ponting is not even in the same league, and the replacement they have lined up for him isn't any better.

I think we had better be prepared for a long time in the wilderness ladies and gentlemen.
 
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As I said to a mate yesterday, this is what I thought of Ponting, and his out the other day (on 99)


"Great Leaders DON'T choke when they are needed the most. Great batsman DO choke when needed. They are two very different players"

This I feel is perfect for Ponting. Although he was the only one who made runs, great leaders and Captains should NEVER have a soft piss poor pathetic out like that, when the game is in the balance. Especially when you are well and truely set on 99. THat was terrible!
 
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Agree with both posts so far.
He is a diagraceful captain but has always been an exceptional batsman.
He has always had a team with immense talent such as Hayden, Langer himself, Clarke, Hussey, Symonds, Martyn, Gilchrist, Mcgrath, Warne, Macgill, Clark, Lee and many more anyone who had these players in the team would never need to be an inventive captain.

Now he is faced with a team with half the talent and we see who he is, an arrogant leader who can not adjust to the times.
 
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Ponting is one of the best batsmen in the world, but when it comes to captaincy he really lags behind. I have no doubts in saying that Graeme Smith , Jayawardene and Dhoni are better captains and Kevin Peitersen has shown the temperament which Ponting lacks. He scores just above Shoaib Malik and a touch above Vettori. When a team is doing well everything looks innovative and good but whenever Ponting has been really tested he hasn't been able to up the ante. His tactics seem questionable. I predict a split coming up in the Australian team between Punters and Pups factions....
 
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Amit Batra;302223 said:
Ponting is one of the best batsmen in the world, but when it comes to captaincy he really lags behind. I have no doubts in saying that Graeme Smith , Jayawardene and Dhoni are better captains and Kevin Peitersen has shown the temperament which Ponting lacks. He scores just above Shoaib Malik and a touch above Vettori. When a team is doing well everything looks innovative and good but whenever Ponting has been really tested he hasn't been able to up the ante. His tactics seem questionable. I predict a split coming up in the Australian team between Punters and Pups factions....
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You're right their mate. I agree about the ponting and clarke factions too.
The media here is already questioning his captaincy
 
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Not a tactical mind.

Fantastic batsmen but some of his decisions whilst fielding have left me bemused.
 
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It's a bit annoying that while Australia were winning, when the old era was still here, all Ponting had to do is set the field and the rest, while the team did their thing and no one complained, now we are losing, and everybody is calling for his head. Give him a break, the team is redeveloping currently, soon we are going to be the best again.
 
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Aleks.;302318 said:
It's a bit annoying that while Australia were winning, when the old era was still here, all Ponting had to do is set the field and the rest, while the team did their thing and no one complained, now we are losing, and everybody is calling for his head. Give him a break, the team is redeveloping currently, soon we are going to be the best again.
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wouldn't be so confident mate the way you are speaking about it is as if they are going to wake up one morning and go oh great we are the best team in the world again. Some rebuiling phases can be short some can be long. Look at the West Indies they are still rebuilding from the early 90s.

And Ponting stands out more now as when a team wins everyone forgets about the captain's tactics when they lose they stand out more that is cricket. He has always been a poor captain but has been made look good with Mcgrath, Warne and Gilchrist there.
 
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Aleks.;302318 said:
It's a bit annoying that while Australia were winning, when the old era was still here, all Ponting had to do is set the field and the rest, while the team did their thing and no one complained, now we are losing, and everybody is calling for his head. Give him a break, the team is redeveloping currently, soon we are going to be the best again.
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If it helps I was calling for his head before we started losing.
 
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breeno;302398 said:
If it helps I was calling for his head before we started losing.
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yeah and everyone has never rated him as a captain.

Even in 2005 and 2006 if you asked someone who they thought the best captain in the world was they wouldn't say ponting.
 
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Ponting has never been considered a good captain. I suppose this series, and the one in India, has revealed just how unimaginative he is, but criticism of his captaincy and leadership is nothing new.

I have to say, he has played a fair few "captain's knocks" at times. That is probably the only strength in his captaincy: his ability with the bat. Otherwise, if one of his champion bowlers was not performing, he'd simply chuck the ball to another champion bowler. If the top order collapsed, Gilchrist would hammer 100 before the opposition had a chance to remove the tail.

I would LOVE to see Pup given the captaincy for the SA tour. I'd love for Ponting to announce it himself, saying something along the lines of "The Australian team is entering a new phase, with many new faces being brought into the side, and I feel it's best for the team if these new faces were to develop alongside a new captain". Can't see it happening, but I'd love for it to happen.
 
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BabyBlues;302425 said:
Ponting has never been considered a good captain. I suppose this series, and the one in India, has revealed just how unimaginative he is, but criticism of his captaincy and leadership is nothing new.

I have to say, he has played a fair few "captain's knocks" at times. That is probably the only strength in his captaincy: his ability with the bat. Otherwise, if one of his champion bowlers was not performing, he'd simply chuck the ball to another champion bowler. If the top order collapsed, Gilchrist would hammer 100 before the opposition had a chance to remove the tail.

I would LOVE to see Pup given the captaincy for the SA tour. I'd love for Ponting to announce it himself, saying something along the lines of "The Australian team is entering a new phase, with many new faces being brought into the side, and I feel it's best for the team if these new faces were to develop alongside a new captain". Can't see it happening, but I'd love for it to happen.
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Yeah I think he is too proud to do that though. But i would like to see that to.
 
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Ponting lacks tactics when things arent going his way.

Has left me bemused with some of his decisions lately.
 
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Storer;302455 said:
How can you say he isn't? He has lead Australia for a while now, and has done very well.
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With the bat yes.

But he has made lots of captaincy blunders.
 
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he's very good at both: unfortunately now, he doesn't quite have the same resources available to him as he did - say 2 years ago - and any skipper would struggle with that situation. It's a big change going from a Warne/McGrath type line up to a Johnson/Hauritz line up. Even the best would struggle.
 
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