South Africa in Australia
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Jolldo87
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Re: South Africa in Australia
There aren't really any Legspinners.
Byrce McGain is out best legspinner but he's injured. Cam White would be our second best and i wouldn't be giving him another test. Maybe Beau Casson? I've never seen him bowl in the longer form of the game so he might we worth another go.
Ripping-LegBreak;299394 said:
There aren't really any Legspinners.
Byrce McGain is out best legspinner but he's injured. Cam White would be our second best and i wouldn't be giving him another test. Maybe Beau Casson? I've never seen him bowl in the longer form of the game so he might we worth another go.
schwab2clarkson
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Cam white could be used in a development role. Play him and teach him how to bowl leg spin.
The fact that the aussies are wanting to use a 37 year old as their legspin bowler baffles me, especially when you have got younger people who are pretty good at domestic level.Jolldo87;299407 said:
Cam white could be used in a development role. Play him and teach him how to bowl leg spin.
mas cambios
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If a 37 year is the best you've got, then you play him. Spinners are different to pace bolwers as they mature later. Add in the fact that the guy hasn't seen a lot of cricket and you could possibly say that he's 'x' amount years younger in cricketing terms.
White? No, the guy will never be any more than a decent bat who can bowl a bit. Australia have better potentials at which to throw resources on. Not saying that White won't be useful in the shorter forms of the game, but not a test player.
If a 37 year is the best you've got, then you play him. Spinners are different to pace bolwers as they mature later. Add in the fact that the guy hasn't seen a lot of cricket and you could possibly say that he's 'x' amount years younger in cricketing terms.
White? No, the guy will never be any more than a decent bat who can bowl a bit. Australia have better potentials at which to throw resources on. Not saying that White won't be useful in the shorter forms of the game, but not a test player.
bundybullz08
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Gud start Haydos.(y)
Gud start Haydos.(y)
schwab2clarkson
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You don't play an old fart when he is ready to retire.........
You play guys like White who yes we know he can bat and bowl a bit.
Guys like Casson, Bailey and a couple of others are missing out on test spots all because there are old farts in the team taking up the main spinner role....
mas cambios;299409 said:
You don't play an old fart when he is ready to retire.........
You play guys like White who yes we know he can bat and bowl a bit.
Guys like Casson, Bailey and a couple of others are missing out on test spots all because there are old farts in the team taking up the main spinner role....
Jolldo87
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He could play for another 4 years and then in 4 years time another spinner might come through and be ready to play for Australia.
So you're against playing our best XI? We need to give ourselves the best chance of winning test matches at all times.
Bailey. This just proves the stupidity of your argument. He can't get a game for South Australia and is just an average bowler in their second XI. How can you talk about him anywhere near the Australian side.
schwab2clarkson;299414 said:
He could play for another 4 years and then in 4 years time another spinner might come through and be ready to play for Australia.
So you're against playing our best XI? We need to give ourselves the best chance of winning test matches at all times.
You play guys like White who yes we know he can bat and bowl a bit.
Guys like Casson, Bailey and a couple of others are missing out on test spots all because there are old farts in the team taking up the main spinner role....
Bailey. This just proves the stupidity of your argument. He can't get a game for South Australia and is just an average bowler in their second XI. How can you talk about him anywhere near the Australian side.
mas cambios
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I disagree, if you have someone who can possibly do a good job and do it for 3 years or so, get them in. It would give the other players time to mature and learn the game, as well as giving them someone to learn from. True, he hasn't played a test and the chances are he never will but being a spin bowler is about more than just how much turn you get.
It's an art form, a game of cat and mouse between the bowler and the bat. The bowler teases them out with guile and cunning learned from playing the game. Warne get better as he got older not because he was getting ridiculous amounts of turn but because he was able to win mind games.
You seem to have a soft spot for White and I doubt that I nor anyone else will change your mind on him, but simply put he is never going to be a main test match spinner. An average of a shade under 40 is a big indication of that, plus the fact that at the moment he is hardly getting a bowl for his state side. If I recall correctly, even towards the end of his stint at Somerset he played pretty much as a batsman only.
Now, I'll be fair and say that maybe, just maybe he could develop into something but personally, I just don't see it. He would have to unlearn a lot of the negatives that he's picked up and almost recreate himself as a bowler. It's a big ask at 25 to do that, although not impossible. However, you need to factor in that there are players with more potential out there then him in that department, so why waste resources?
schwab2clarkson;299414 said:You don't play an old fart when he is ready to retire.........
You play guys like White who yes we know he can bat and bowl a bit.
Guys like Casson, Bailey and a couple of others are missing out on test spots all because there are old farts in the team taking up the main spinner role....
I disagree, if you have someone who can possibly do a good job and do it for 3 years or so, get them in. It would give the other players time to mature and learn the game, as well as giving them someone to learn from. True, he hasn't played a test and the chances are he never will but being a spin bowler is about more than just how much turn you get.
It's an art form, a game of cat and mouse between the bowler and the bat. The bowler teases them out with guile and cunning learned from playing the game. Warne get better as he got older not because he was getting ridiculous amounts of turn but because he was able to win mind games.
You seem to have a soft spot for White and I doubt that I nor anyone else will change your mind on him, but simply put he is never going to be a main test match spinner. An average of a shade under 40 is a big indication of that, plus the fact that at the moment he is hardly getting a bowl for his state side. If I recall correctly, even towards the end of his stint at Somerset he played pretty much as a batsman only.
Now, I'll be fair and say that maybe, just maybe he could develop into something but personally, I just don't see it. He would have to unlearn a lot of the negatives that he's picked up and almost recreate himself as a bowler. It's a big ask at 25 to do that, although not impossible. However, you need to factor in that there are players with more potential out there then him in that department, so why waste resources?
mas cambios
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Re: South Africa in Australia
I think we can hear the fat lady doing her vocal warm ups....
Jolldo87;299418 said:
I think we can hear the fat lady doing her vocal warm ups....
bundybullz08
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Re: South Africa in Australia
Ponting looks shaky to me so far.
Katich is on fire tho.
Ponting looks shaky to me so far.
Katich is on fire tho.
breeno
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Yepp, Hayden definitely not in the best of positions at the moment.
I've also noticed early on in Ponting's innings that he's walking through his shots. I read somewhere(can't remember where, sorry), that this is an indication of how confident and balance the batsman is feeling. Can someone tell me if this is correct?
Steyn disappointed me in the way that he wasted a lot of balls early, I think he may struggle bowling to left handers.
Yepp, Hayden definitely not in the best of positions at the moment.
I've also noticed early on in Ponting's innings that he's walking through his shots. I read somewhere(can't remember where, sorry), that this is an indication of how confident and balance the batsman is feeling. Can someone tell me if this is correct?
Steyn disappointed me in the way that he wasted a lot of balls early, I think he may struggle bowling to left handers.
bundybullz08
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From what my coach tells me.
its not good to walk thru ur shots.
its better jst to stand and deliver.
From what my coach tells me.
its not good to walk thru ur shots.
its better jst to stand and deliver.
Re: South Africa in Australia
yeah i agree with steyn his looks a lot better bowling to the right hander, he is a sook, you watch him- every time he gets hit for a 4 he stands there as if they played a shockin shot and his unlucky what a sook.
ponting does do it often and his one that looks bad early but will still make a score it will be interesting to see.
i feel so sorry for hayden, very bad shot though maybe nervs?
breeno;299425 said:
yeah i agree with steyn his looks a lot better bowling to the right hander, he is a sook, you watch him- every time he gets hit for a 4 he stands there as if they played a shockin shot and his unlucky what a sook.
ponting does do it often and his one that looks bad early but will still make a score it will be interesting to see.
i feel so sorry for hayden, very bad shot though maybe nervs?