Your Test World XI?
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distributer of pain
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im assuming he"s a pom, its been a while since they had a better spinner than us, whats happened to monty?? i havnt heard anything about him for a while.
im assuming he"s a pom, its been a while since they had a better spinner than us, whats happened to monty?? i havnt heard anything about him for a while.
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he would give them a very short tail then, especialy if flintoff plays.
Mousey;333240 said:
he would give them a very short tail then, especialy if flintoff plays.
distributer of pain
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its a shame, he was one of the better finger spinner going around a couple of years back. shame for them that is lol
its a shame, he was one of the better finger spinner going around a couple of years back. shame for them that is lol
King Pietersen
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You don't really know much about Kevin PietersEn do you? It took the selectors a long time to persuade Pietersen to agree to move from #5 to #4 in the batting order in time for The Ashes, so I doubt he'd ever agree to open. He doesn't even enjoy batting at 3, hence why he only had 1 series there, and then when he was made captain moved himself back down to 4. He's comfortable at 4, and that's where he feels his best position would be, he would not relish batting at the top of the order, it doesn't suit his game.
Swann should not even be considered for a World XI currently. There are so many better spinners in world cricket, Murali, Mendis, Vettori and I'd even take Harbhajan ahead of Swann, and he's got a pretty poor record outside India.
distributer of pain;332984 said:
You don't really know much about Kevin PietersEn do you? It took the selectors a long time to persuade Pietersen to agree to move from #5 to #4 in the batting order in time for The Ashes, so I doubt he'd ever agree to open. He doesn't even enjoy batting at 3, hence why he only had 1 series there, and then when he was made captain moved himself back down to 4. He's comfortable at 4, and that's where he feels his best position would be, he would not relish batting at the top of the order, it doesn't suit his game.
Swann should not even be considered for a World XI currently. There are so many better spinners in world cricket, Murali, Mendis, Vettori and I'd even take Harbhajan ahead of Swann, and he's got a pretty poor record outside India.
king_of_slaves
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Well the theory that the best batsman should bat at number 3 is just one of the stupid cricket stereotypes I don't agree with. Nobody doubts KP's skill, but he also has to feel comfortable with what he's doing. In that regard, I'd agree with King Pieterson. However I still disagree with his idea of telling somebody that his team was wrong since KP was opening in it. Fantasy cricket doesn't take note of players' emotions so the argument that he would never agree to open is invalid in this case.
Well the theory that the best batsman should bat at number 3 is just one of the stupid cricket stereotypes I don't agree with. Nobody doubts KP's skill, but he also has to feel comfortable with what he's doing. In that regard, I'd agree with King Pieterson. However I still disagree with his idea of telling somebody that his team was wrong since KP was opening in it. Fantasy cricket doesn't take note of players' emotions so the argument that he would never agree to open is invalid in this case.
distributer of pain
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well thats the problem with english cricket in my opinion, Australian players do whats best for the team, not themselves, if anyone of our batsmen was ask to open the batting they would, england have a bad record for behavier like this and thier match record reflects it, i remember a while back when nobody wanted to even captain the team, and graham thorpe would decide which tours he did and didnt go on, and now you have this imbosile pieterson crying if he doesnt get his own way, a shambles.
King Pietersen;333265 said:
well thats the problem with english cricket in my opinion, Australian players do whats best for the team, not themselves, if anyone of our batsmen was ask to open the batting they would, england have a bad record for behavier like this and thier match record reflects it, i remember a while back when nobody wanted to even captain the team, and graham thorpe would decide which tours he did and didnt go on, and now you have this imbosile pieterson crying if he doesnt get his own way, a shambles.
distributer of pain
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Agreed, i think the best overall batsmen (who ever they may be) should get a gig in sides like this, if you go through the best ever test batsmen, and wanted to make a team are you going to leave 2 of them out because they wernt specialist openers ?? example, sorry sir viv, no room for you in my team but i did add desmond haynes because i needed an opener. thats crazy talk, any no3 in world cricket can open, geez half the time there in early anyway. the reason they are number 3 or 4, is because they are the best batsmen and are most important to the team so the openers protect them, when you have a team of champions this doesnt matter anywhere near as much, i think my choice was sound, i had smith and pieterson, smith would play the rock and pieterson would be on the lookout for runs.
king_of_slaves;333317 said:
Agreed, i think the best overall batsmen (who ever they may be) should get a gig in sides like this, if you go through the best ever test batsmen, and wanted to make a team are you going to leave 2 of them out because they wernt specialist openers ?? example, sorry sir viv, no room for you in my team but i did add desmond haynes because i needed an opener. thats crazy talk, any no3 in world cricket can open, geez half the time there in early anyway. the reason they are number 3 or 4, is because they are the best batsmen and are most important to the team so the openers protect them, when you have a team of champions this doesnt matter anywhere near as much, i think my choice was sound, i had smith and pieterson, smith would play the rock and pieterson would be on the lookout for runs.
distributer of pain
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yeah i agree with that, but i think pieterson would make a great no3 batsmen, so opening wouldnt be that big a jump from that, as i said i just had to manufacture an opener for my best team and pieterson got the gig, right or wrong ? who really cares cause it"ll never happen.
yeah i agree with that, but i think pieterson would make a great no3 batsmen, so opening wouldnt be that big a jump from that, as i said i just had to manufacture an opener for my best team and pieterson got the gig, right or wrong ? who really cares cause it"ll never happen.
bundybullz08
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agreed.
distributer of pain;333920 said:
agreed.
King Pietersen
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I care because you're looking for the best TEAM, not the best players jumbled into some sort of XI. The premise of the World XI idea is that your team will actually be playing games, so you need to find a balance and an XI that best fits that balance, and considering there are opening batsmen more than capable of filling the role, with guys like Sehwag, Gambhir, Strauss, Smith, Gayle, Katich and Cook all capable of filling the role you don't need to manufacture an opening batsman from a middle order specialist. I'm going to make 1 change to my side as well:
Graeme Smith *
Andrew Strauss
Sachin Tendulkar
Kevin Pietersen
Jacques Kallis
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Brendon McCullum +
Mitchell Johnson
Zaheer Khan
Dale Steyn
Muttiah Muralitharan
I'm replacing Gautam Gambhir with Andrew Strauss. Simply because, in the last year Andrew Strauss has regained his old touch and his form. Since his 177 against New Zealand he's looked a different player, and as captain he's been a revelation. In the last 12 months he averages 58 with the bat, including 7 Test Hundreds in 16 games. He averaged 84 in India, and is averaging 75 in the West Indies. He now has 17 Test hundreds, only 6 short of becoming the most successful hundred maker in England Test History. He definitely deserves his place, and I think he and Smith could do a fantastic job opening together.
I care because you're looking for the best TEAM, not the best players jumbled into some sort of XI. The premise of the World XI idea is that your team will actually be playing games, so you need to find a balance and an XI that best fits that balance, and considering there are opening batsmen more than capable of filling the role, with guys like Sehwag, Gambhir, Strauss, Smith, Gayle, Katich and Cook all capable of filling the role you don't need to manufacture an opening batsman from a middle order specialist. I'm going to make 1 change to my side as well:
Graeme Smith *
Andrew Strauss
Sachin Tendulkar
Kevin Pietersen
Jacques Kallis
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Brendon McCullum +
Mitchell Johnson
Zaheer Khan
Dale Steyn
Muttiah Muralitharan
I'm replacing Gautam Gambhir with Andrew Strauss. Simply because, in the last year Andrew Strauss has regained his old touch and his form. Since his 177 against New Zealand he's looked a different player, and as captain he's been a revelation. In the last 12 months he averages 58 with the bat, including 7 Test Hundreds in 16 games. He averaged 84 in India, and is averaging 75 in the West Indies. He now has 17 Test hundreds, only 6 short of becoming the most successful hundred maker in England Test History. He definitely deserves his place, and I think he and Smith could do a fantastic job opening together.
breeno
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Bottom line is it's his Test XI and not yours mate. He can do what he wants with it, suggestions are welcome, but getting to the point of actually bagging a players XI is steering away at what the thread was originally made for.
King Pietersen;334791 said:
Bottom line is it's his Test XI and not yours mate. He can do what he wants with it, suggestions are welcome, but getting to the point of actually bagging a players XI is steering away at what the thread was originally made for.
King Pietersen
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Oh come off it, I wasn't bagging his XI, he can pick whoever the hell he wants, but if I disagree with a selection, I'll point it out. That's the point of a forum, discussion. It'd be zero fun if we all sat about not arguing or countering people's points, if I don't agree with someone's selection I'll point it out to them to get a discussion going. If someone doesn't agree with one of my selections I'll try and justify my point. That's the point of a forum.
Oh come off it, I wasn't bagging his XI, he can pick whoever the hell he wants, but if I disagree with a selection, I'll point it out. That's the point of a forum, discussion. It'd be zero fun if we all sat about not arguing or countering people's points, if I don't agree with someone's selection I'll point it out to them to get a discussion going. If someone doesn't agree with one of my selections I'll try and justify my point. That's the point of a forum.
King Pietersen
sC Player of the Month June '08
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I don't see how the tone of my post could have been put in a better way. I put my point across simply and without being insulting or making derogatory comments. I don't see how the 'general tone' of my post could have been improved. It could have been a heck of alot worse.
breeno;334829 said:
I don't see how the tone of my post could have been put in a better way. I put my point across simply and without being insulting or making derogatory comments. I don't see how the 'general tone' of my post could have been improved. It could have been a heck of alot worse.
distributer of pain
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come on boys, relax.
come on boys, relax.