Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

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gbatman

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Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

One day cricket and more so 20Twenty cricket are seen as a batsman's game. But lately Test cricket has been forced into that pattern as well with flat boring wickets.

Test cricket has always been a game that suited both batting and bowling evenly but often use to suite the bowlers or a bowler. Test cricket made names famous such as Lillie, Thompson, Muralitherin, McGrath, Warne, Akram, Botham, Akhtar and Lee where conditions suited for these bowlers to be able to execute their skills and ability with excellent performances and be admired by viewers.

Australia used to be one of the best places to watch cricket with its varying wickets.
The Gabba would be green, swing and seam, luckily the Gabba is one of the few places that hasn't lost this charm.
Perth would be rock hard and later crack and be a fast bowling paradise and now it's flat and boring.
The SCG would spin and often cause a change in the line up of teams, now it doesn't spin much, sometimes swings but is often flat.
Melbourne would have plenty of moisture in the wicket and offer the seamers some assistance especially early on and later it might offer some variable bounce and force batsmen to play with a straight bat. Now it's and boring.
Adelaide was often a place that offered good rough for the spinners and a bit of green for the seamers as well as some reverse swing. It sometimes offers some of these interesting aspects. But is generally a good batting track.

I think the Australian wickets need to go back to their roots to save test cricket. Wearing wickets are unique to test cricket, wickets that change during the match such as rough up, crack, start with grass or moisture to cause seam movement then later flatten out. That is what test cricket had over limited overs cricket but with flat wickets it has nothing over it. No attractions at all that the shorter forms don't have.
People like things to happen during the match like wickets taken, lively conditions can cause batsmen to play their shots too. Flat decks have brought about too many drawn matches which deters fans. Lively wickets shorten the match which appears to be what spectators want, a short match is often a good match as it means plenty is happening and a there will be a result.

So come on curators, let the batsmen have limited overs cricket but lets give test cricket back to the bowlers, make it unique from limited overs cricket and give it back it's charm and bring back the variation within Australian wickets.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

Simply put, yes they are. Test cricket (and one day cricket for that matter) need wickets that provide a contest, not pitches that simply favour one discipline over the other.
 
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Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

i really want to see the return of variable pitches in all forms of the game, and stop 'pitch fixing' or 'doctoring'. this happened at junction oval with the SS final where the vics where able to bat all day, then the pitch wasn't rolled properly with the wet weather and so the wickets came readily the next day and so on. this is happening all over the world at the moment.

the problem is how do you change it. do you tell the curators to make 'bad' pitches, as they try and make the best batting pitch as possible don't they, and thats what they call a good pitch. is it introduction of new technology and equipment and being able to make them better for batting or is it they have started using techniques? i'm not sure how the started to make them the flat tracks that they are now.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

i really want to see the return of variable pitches in all forms of the game, and stop 'pitch fixing' or 'doctoring'. this happened at junction oval with the SS final where the vics where able to bat all day, then the pitch wasn't rolled properly with the wet weather and so the wickets came readily the next day and so on. this is happening all over the world at the moment.

the problem is how do you change it. do you tell the curators to make 'bad' pitches, as they try and make the best batting pitch as possible don't they, and thats what they call a good pitch. is it introduction of new technology and equipment and being able to make them better for batting or is it they have started using different techniques? i'm not sure how the started to make them the flat tracks that they are now.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

Boris;341167 said:
i really want to see the return of variable pitches in all forms of the game, and stop 'pitch fixing' or 'doctoring'. this happened at junction oval with the SS final where the vics where able to bat all day, then the pitch wasn't rolled properly with the wet weather and so the wickets came readily the next day and so on. this is happening all over the world at the moment.

the problem is how do you change it. do you tell the curators to make 'bad' pitches, as they try and make the best batting pitch as possible don't they, and thats what they call a good pitch. is it introduction of new technology and equipment and being able to make them better for batting or is it they have started using different techniques? i'm not sure how the started to make them the flat tracks that they are now.
the umpires should supervise any work being done on the pitch after the toss. IMO
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

Years ago I remember a cartoon in the West Australian newspaper that had an Indian spinner with the curator pointing to the pitch and saying can you please roll a bit more over there? :D
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

i remember a test in india (the pitch had a little grass) and ganguly was quoted as saying to the curator on the eve of the test "cut it off", but that goes on in every country, i cant see it changing either.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

the curators hand the captains a list of exactly what they are going to do to the whole field.

just using as an example the Indians in mostly every country tell the curators to stop watering the grass so that the outfield becomes quicker so they don't have to run as much (they are terrible runners anyway!)

i think maybe that should stop and the curators can do anything they want, but not in favour of any one side.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

Boris;341284 said:
the curators hand the captains a list of exactly what they are going to do to the whole field.

just using as an example the Indians in mostly every country tell the curators to stop watering the grass so that the outfield becomes quicker so they don't have to run as much (they are terrible runners anyway!)

i think maybe that should stop and the curators can do anything they want, but not in favour of any one side.

yeah its in the curators best interests to make as good a pitch as possible, if a curator consistatly makes pitches that result in 3 days tests matches then the ground where hes employed loses vast amounts of money, then the president of the ground will replace him. even the national heads of state want matches to go the journey for $ reasons.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

When the West Indies played against England, both the teams made over 700 hundred runs
The pitch was an absolute road and it was very boring to watch, and I imagine to bowl on

I would like to see more test matches where the pitch plays a big part and the scores are lower than they are now
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

that isnt unique though, if you go back through history there have been many games like that, i lot of people (and im not one of them) like seeing batsmen dominate, especially in india, they call it a batsmans game, they dont even care if the opposition is scoring the runs, as long as someone is. i like good batting pitches to a point, as long as theres a result im happy.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

How does the ICC expect to attract people especially who have never seen cricket before to start following the game if after FIVE days the game ends in a draw.

Nowadays people want everything quickly in an uncomlicated way and possibly sexy. Test cricket is none of these. No wonder even in the windies few youngsters are taking up cricket. Last night the first twelve overs between india and new zealand were beautiful. The ball had a little chance and the bowlers very skillfull. It was gripping. The everything died down and sent me to sleep. The wickets need to spin to give the spinners a chance to weave their magic.

The only chance for cricket is the 20/20 format me thinks unless they liven up the wickets or stop using the kookaburra balls and start using the dukes/readers ones.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

sadspinner;341401 said:
How does the ICC expect to attract people especially who have never seen cricket before to start following the game if after FIVE days the game ends in a draw.

Nowadays people want everything quickly in an uncomlicated way and possibly sexy. Test cricket is none of these. No wonder even in the windies few youngsters are taking up cricket. Last night the first twelve overs between india and new zealand were beautiful. The ball had a little chance and the bowlers very skillfull. It was gripping. The everything died down and sent me to sleep. The wickets need to spin to give the spinners a chance to weave their magic.

The only chance for cricket is the 20/20 format me thinks unless they liven up the wickets or stop using the kookaburra balls and start using the dukes/readers ones.
there isnt anywhere near the amount of draws as there used to be, take the 1960.70s even the 80s when run rates were under 2.5 and draws were common place, now run rates nearing 4 are not that uncommon and most captains go out to win the game now which has made test cricket much more enjoyable, i dont think the games been in better shape for entertainment value. for me test cricket will allways be the true fans game, who cares if we lose a ODI series or T/20 series (world cup aside) im gutted when we lose a test series like all true fans are.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

do you remember the first test in the 08/09 season in australia against new zealand? that was a great test because that storm blew the covers off and soaked the pitch and therefore batting and bowling was harder. when australia only scored 200 something i thought they were goners but NZ scored 150. it was a great test to watch that stretched into the last day with batting being hard because of the wet pitch but then bowling being hard because it was still completely flat and not much turn. maybe if curators just 'forgot' to put covers on in future...
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

sadspinner;341401 said:
How does the ICC expect to attract people especially who have never seen cricket before to start following the game if after FIVE days the game ends in a draw.

Nowadays people want everything quickly in an uncomlicated way and possibly sexy. Test cricket is none of these. No wonder even in the windies few youngsters are taking up cricket. Last night the first twelve overs between india and new zealand were beautiful. The ball had a little chance and the bowlers very skillfull. It was gripping. The everything died down and sent me to sleep. The wickets need to spin to give the spinners a chance to weave their magic.

The only chance for cricket is the 20/20 format me thinks unless they liven up the wickets or stop using the kookaburra balls and start using the dukes/readers ones.
maybe they could look at giving a new ball every 60/70 overs ?, with all the favours the batsmen have got in the last 10/15 years maybe its time the bowlers got one. using a harder ball will also wear the pitch a tad more.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

distributer of pain;341564 said:
maybe they could look at giving a new ball every 60/70 overs ?, with all the favours the batsmen have got in the last 10/15 years maybe its time the bowlers got one. using a harder ball will also wear the pitch a tad more.

thats not a bad idea. i think the only reason people are turning off test cricket is that they couldnt be bothered to understand the game. when i first heard of it and first started watching it when i was young i thought it was terrible and boring, but now i find myself sitting their suspended in hope chewing my fingernails and almost falling off my chair because i am so close to the tv. people have to give it a chance and have it explained to them, they dont notice the tiny little differences that you can pick up can turn it into an exciting game, such as seeing a little sledging or noticing that the bowler is standing at his mark just that slight bit longer to deter the batsman. the problem is how to get people to understand how enthrallingly slow it might be, and the suspense that is gathered.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

i loved ODIs when i was a boy, it wasnt untill i was 16/17 till i started to get an apreciation for test match cricket, i think a lot of people are like that, i coundnt give a rats ars about ODIs/ T/20 anymore (world cup aside) i just love test cricket, and i allways will.
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

distributer of pain;341564 said:
maybe they could look at giving a new ball every 60/70 overs ?, with all the favours the batsmen have got in the last 10/15 years maybe its time the bowlers got one. using a harder ball will also wear the pitch a tad more.
i think if they used a new ball more regulary it would add a bit more exitement as well, the game must keep moving forward to survive, the referal rule allthough needing tweeking is a step in the right direction and with T/20 coming on strong the more exitement we can add to test cricket the better. IMO
 
Re: Are flat wickets killing test cricket?

that seems about right. although i dont really like the idea of taking the game out of the umpires hands. i think that bad decisions are another way of getting wickets and has and should always be part of the game.
 
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