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Just wondering how we should line up this summer for the test matches In Australia V New Zealand & South Africa? I feel this could be a make or break tour for some of out cricketers who have been failing.

We need a balanced bowling attack and only play an all rounder if one aspect of their game is up to test standard.

My line up (and squad) would be

1. M. Hayden
2. S. Katich
3. R. Ponting (C)
4. M. Hussey
5. M. Clarke (vc)
6. B. Haddin +
7. S. Watson
8. B. Lee
9. B. Hilfenhaus
10. J. Krezja
11. M. Johnson

D. Hussey, S. Clarke, D. Bollinger, B. Casson, S. Marsh, R Quiney, S. Tait, B. Hodge.

Krezja would get benifit from Johnsons foot holes.
Clarke must stop trying to play shots of balls outside off, doesn't get his feet accross and goes out too much that way.
Ponting and Clarke must make runs although Hayden and Watsons batting is also under fire. Katich has done enough.
Johnson must get his seam position right or he will get smashed later in England.
Lee also must improve his skills.
Hilfenhaus is the X-factor. We need a swing bowler, especially later in England. Give him and Lee the new ball unless Johnson gets his ac together and fixes his seam issues then Hilf and Johnson.

Haddin must perform, because Pain and Ronchi should be played if they are making runs for their state.

I just get the feeling that David Hussey may be of more value that the struggling Michael Clarke and that Watson's position might be in danger if he doesn't perform.

Our test selectors have proven to get it wrong and be gutless and afrade of change in the past so I wouldn't expect much change. They usually let players have about 4 bad series before something is done. I can just sence the same result happening when we go to England again by taking players who aren't performing and not picking suitable players for the tour. Until after the tour.
 
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Good List there
But I'm not sure whats happening ith Symonds. And do you reckon he would be replacing Watson if he came back in?
Also, whats happening with bracken. Havn't heard anything of him this season. But he should also be considered as a good swing bowler, seeing he is one of the best oneday bowlers in the world.
Plus, if Haddin doesn't get into some sort of form quickly, he should get dropped. not sure who for though.
 
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alright, this would be mine

1. P.Hughes/Jaques
2. S.Katich
3. R.Ponting
4. M.Hussey
5. M.Clarke
6. A.Symonds
7. L.Ronchi
8. S.Watson
9. B.Lee
10. J Kreja
11. D.Bollinger
12th Man- Cameron White



I think hayden and haddin both underperformed in india, hayden should retire and play out his career in the one dayers. Haddin was just bloody terrible, Ronchi shows aggression as a wicket keeper and showed promise in his 1 day debut in the windies.

Bollinger instead on johnson, because johnson wickets were all flukey in india, all legside and it just so happened that the ball flicked the glove a couple of times.

Symonds is tough one. Give him a go against New Zealand. If he doesnt perform or put the effort in, make room for Cameron White, he was solid with the bat in the last 2 tests against india.

Jaques is a maybe, i would probably give him a run against new zealand, if he doesnt do anything, debut for hughes because he has been sensational at state level, better to get him early as a 20 year old to develop him as an international player because the more youth the better.
 
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will come down to how fit our bowlers are at.

personally if I was a selector I would tap haydos on the shoulder and suggest that the brisbane match be his swansong. Remind him a certain Queensland keeper never had that chance to go out with a finale in brisbane. Hughes would be a very bold pick but rogers and marsh are both ahead of him right now in the runs made and experienced. I would go for rogers but would back marsh. Either would make a good combo with katich who seems cemented his position.

3,4 pick themselves. I like hussey in at 4, allows him to create an innings with the top order and the stability the stroke makers of clarke, watson and haddin need. Clarke is under pressure from the likes of D.Hussey but it would take a very lean summer for his spot to come under question. Would like to see ponting throw the ball to katich before clarke as pup's batting fishtailed once he was forced to bowl heaps of overs.

Haddin is under alot of pressure, his keeping was terrible over in india and he is not making the 40-70 we were promised by his backers. Ronchi is the exciting young choice but the one I'm sold on his paine for tasmania. Consistant behind the stumps and knows how to build an innings.

Special K should get the spinners spot but watch for casson to push hard. Casson needs to pile on the wickets though. It was good to see that cullen got three top order batsman out on a flat adelaide oval, hopefully he can get into the WA second innings as the match wears on.

On the fast bowlers, I agree that the question marks over johnson are still there. Struggles to move the ball back into the right handers and thus he could be cannon fodder on the good aussie batting wickets. Will be nigh on useless in england. This summer could be make or break. Bollinger gives us an option of the left armer option and should push for the england tour.

Siddle impressed with his pace and movement in his one test. Perhaps in hindsight he might have been a better option to a sick brett lee. Should be in the 12 for brisbane.

Finally where is stuart clarks elbow at presently? Classy bowler but his body is not letting him use his skills. Will enjoy being back in australia and there is no reason apart from injury for him not to have a good summer.

So changes from the last test.

In: Stuart clark
out: white

12th man siddle

marsh to debut in the second test
 
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Jaques
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
White/Watson
Haddin
Krejza
Johnson
Lee
Clark

McGain in if Krejza fails
Symonds in the all rounder spot if he fires at state level, hasn't done that so far
Lee and Clark on shaky ground...Siddle, Bollinger or even Tait could take one of those spots if they fail.
Also, if Phil Hughes continues his form could end up with a test cap by the end of the summer, the bolter for a spot could be Rob Quiney, in top form and can open or bat middle order.
 
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Welcome to the forum solar

Hayden I feel might be coming to the end of the road and I agree with you solar about giving him a swansong at the GABBA. There are a number of blokes pushing through the first class ranks as openers (Marsh, Rogers, Jaques , maybe even Hughes). I would give Rogers a crack with Jaques summer gone with injury. He has proven this year that he has the ability and mental applitude to do well at first class level with long and hard innings.

White should be gone, he was there filling in numbers and the Aussies shouldn't of played him. With the seaming GABBA wicket I don't see how you could possibly fit him in with Krezja rolling his off-breaks over and going in with a 3-pronged pace attack (Lee, Johnson and Clark). Watson as the all-rounder backing him up.

1st vs the Kwis:

Hayden
Katich
Ponting
Hussey
Clarke
Watson
Haddin
Lee
Krezja
Clark
Johnson

AFter that I would bring in Rogers for Hayden and have Bollinger/McGain as stand by's.
 
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gbatman;280410 said:
Just wondering how we should line up this summer for the test matches In Australia V New Zealand & South Africa? I feel this could be a make or break tour for some of out cricketers who have been failing.

We need a balanced bowling attack and only play an all rounder if one aspect of their game is up to test standard.

My line up (and squad) would be

1. M. Hayden
2. S. Katich
3. R. Ponting (C)
4. M. Hussey
5. M. Clarke (vc)
6. B. Haddin +
7. S. Watson
8. B. Lee
9. B. Hilfenhaus
10. J. Krezja
11. M. Johnson

D. Hussey, S. Clarke, D. Bollinger, B. Casson, S. Marsh, R Quiney, S. Tait, B. Hodge.

Krezja would get benifit from Johnsons foot holes.
Clarke must stop trying to play shots of balls outside off, doesn't get his feet accross and goes out too much that way.
Ponting and Clarke must make runs although Hayden and Watsons batting is also under fire. Katich has done enough.
Johnson must get his seam position right or he will get smashed later in England.
Lee also must improve his skills.
Hilfenhaus is the X-factor. We need a swing bowler, especially later in England. Give him and Lee the new ball unless Johnson gets his ac together and fixes his seam issues then Hilf and Johnson.

Haddin must perform, because Pain and Ronchi should be played if they are making runs for their state.

I just get the feeling that David Hussey may be of more value that the struggling Michael Clarke and that Watson's position might be in danger if he doesn't perform.

Our test selectors have proven to get it wrong and be gutless and afrade of change in the past so I wouldn't expect much change. They usually let players have about 4 bad series before something is done. I can just sence the same result happening when we go to England again by taking players who aren't performing and not picking suitable players for the tour. Until after the tour.
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1. Hayden
2. Katich
3. Ponting
4. Hussey
5. Clarke
6. Watson/Symonds
7. Haddin
8. Krejza
9. Lee
10. Johnson
11. Clark

There are a lot of people calling for Hayden to retire but if he has a reasonable summer he has to go to England and then he can move on but we need him over there. Katich has done more than enough now after his record breaking summer for NSW and then his solid series in India.

Ponting at 3 needs a big summer after another lean series in India. Needed to build on the ton he got in the 1st test. Hussey at 4 is pure class. Clarke at 5 will need a ton over the summer but don't forget he got one in India as well. Who bats at 6 is the big question, Watson has yet to prove himself as a batsmen at test level, although it took Symonds 20 tests to get there himself. I have a feeling the selectors might go with Symonds, in that case Watson is stiff but he will get his chance.

Haddin to stay at 7. We have to give him time, we can't expect him to be another Gilchrist because there is only 1 Adam Gilchrist and we will never see another player like him again. Ronchi and Pain are still a long way off and Haddin deserves at least a summer in Australia to prove himself.

Krejza did enough in his 1 test to keep that spot for the first test. We have to pick 1 spinner and put faith in him and give him the whole summer. McGain is too old and we have to give someone a go that could be a player for the next 10 years for Australia.

Lee, is our best bowler and needs to stand up this summer as he did last. Johnson was our leading wicket taker in India and has been coming along nicely. Clark still has a spot in this side, he clearly wasn't 100% in India and people have to remember he has a fantastic record of 88 wickets in 20 tests at 22. Those figures speak for themselves.

Hilfy isn't ready yet. Both he and Bollinger must be looked at in England next year though because we need a swing bowler and we don't have one at the moment.
 
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why is it for the past 16 years, we have just waited on our young blokes to have a first class career and get experience. we have had about 5 new players in 7 tests. we havent done that forever.
wats wrong with hodge??????????? unluckiest player, would rather have him in bowling his offies than white.
but dk side is just about right.
 
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My squad is:
1.Hayden
2.Katich
3.Ponting
4.Hussey
5.Clarke
6.Symonds
7.Haddin
8.Lee
9.Krezja
10.Clark
11.Johnson

Hodge and White close to be in there
 
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I was never a Watson fan, but he's slowly converting me. I'd prefer him to Symonds currently, esp. if Krezja was picked, we wouldn't need another part time spinner in Symonds in the team.

If with those who say Hayden will get the tap on the shoulder, and with that in mind I've added some shadow players who would fill in quite capably if there are injuries/form slumps/retirements in the side.

1. M. Hayden (S.Marsh)
2. S. Katich
3. R. Ponting (C)
4. M. Hussey
5. M. Clarke (vc) (D.Hussey)
6. S. Watson
7. B. Haddin +
8. B. Lee
9. S.Clark (Siddle)
10. J. Krezja (Casson)
11. M. Johnson (Bollinger)




White will never pull on the baggy green ever again if I had my way! :)
 
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Oh and give Haddin a break though- you can't compare any of the future keepers to Gilly- he was one of a kind- we're never going to get a keeper who averages 50 again in our lifetime! ;)

We're going to have to go back and get used to keepers who average around 30, (like Healy or Rod Marsh and even Mark Boucher have) and although I'd say I'd like to be surprised, I can't see it happening! :)
 
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el-capitano;280788 said:
Oh and give Haddin a break though- you can't compare any of the future keepers to Gilly- he was one of a kind- we're never going to get a keeper who averages 50 again in our lifetime! ;)

We're going to have to go back and get used to keepers who average around 30, (like Healy or Rod Marsh and even Mark Boucher have) and although I'd say I'd like to be surprised, I can't see it happening! :)
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That is true although I thought his keeping was sloppy. I think he may have busted fingers thought but still...

Pain and Ronchie might prove tought competition...
 
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gbatman;280410 said:
Just wondering how we should line up this summer for the test matches In Australia V New Zealand & South Africa? I feel this could be a make or break tour for some of out cricketers who have been failing.

We need a balanced bowling attack and only play an all rounder if one aspect of their game is up to test standard.

My line up (and squad) would be

1. M. Hayden
2. S. Katich
3. R. Ponting (C)
4. M. Hussey
5. M. Clarke (vc)
6. B. Haddin +
7. S. Watson
8. B. Lee
9. B. Hilfenhaus
10. J. Krezja
11. M. Johnson

D. Hussey, S. Clarke, D. Bollinger, B. Casson, S. Marsh, R Quiney, S. Tait, B. Hodge.

Krezja would get benifit from Johnsons foot holes.
Clarke must stop trying to play shots of balls outside off, doesn't get his feet accross and goes out too much that way.
Ponting and Clarke must make runs although Hayden and Watsons batting is also under fire. Katich has done enough.
Johnson must get his seam position right or he will get smashed later in England.
Lee also must improve his skills.
Hilfenhaus is the X-factor. We need a swing bowler, especially later in England. Give him and Lee the new ball unless Johnson gets his ac together and fixes his seam issues then Hilf and Johnson.

Haddin must perform, because Pain and Ronchi should be played if they are making runs for their state.

I just get the feeling that David Hussey may be of more value that the struggling Michael Clarke and that Watson's position might be in danger if he doesn't perform.

Our test selectors have proven to get it wrong and be gutless and afrade of change in the past so I wouldn't expect much change. They usually let players have about 4 bad series before something is done. I can just sence the same result happening when we go to England again by taking players who aren't performing and not picking suitable players for the tour. Until after the tour.
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Watson a better bat than Haddin.

Im going to change my team from the one I posted in the other thread.

Katich
S.Marsh/Hayden (Hayden for the Gabba, his swansong)./Hodge
Ponting*
M.Hussey
M.Clarke
Watson/Symonds/D.Hussey?
Paine+/Ronchi+
Lee
Krejza
Johnson
Clark(If not fit, Siddle/Bollinger to replace).

R.Quiney could also get a cap.
 
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thanks for the welcome

not sure why all the love for johnson, apart from the raw figures of 13 wickets from 4 games (not great) he was very lucky with some of the wickets he got. As mentioned many came about because the batsman got themselves out. Compare that to the wicket taking balls special K produced to get his 12 for the match. The only reason he looked so good was because clark and lee were so bad.

I'm in shock that they could look at bringing in symo, the guy has no form and would either replace our best performing spinner or the all rounder who kept us in the last test match.

couple of other thoughts, hodge will never open for australia. Coming in at 4-6 can allow him to cover for his flaw with his footwork when playing at balls outside off. Imagine him trying to face the new ball. If you want a stroke player there are several in form openers who could give you that.
 
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solar;281093 said:
thanks for the welcome

not sure why all the love for johnson, apart from the raw figures of 13 wickets from 4 games (not great) he was very lucky with some of the wickets he got. As mentioned many came about because the batsman got themselves out. Compare that to the wicket taking balls special K produced to get his 12 for the match. The only reason he looked so good was because clark and lee were so bad.

I'm in shock that they could look at bringing in symo, the guy has no form and would either replace our best performing spinner or the all rounder who kept us in the last test match.

couple of other thoughts, hodge will never open for australia. Coming in at 4-6 can allow him to cover for his flaw with his footwork when playing at balls outside off. Imagine him trying to face the new ball. If you want a stroke player there are several in form openers who could give you that.
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Good post Solar. Can't agree with you however about Johnson, we have to keep giving him a go he along with Siddle are the future of our bowling attack. He has raw pace and is a strong wicket tacker. He does have to be able to swing the new ball he at times has shown he can reverse swing the old ball back into the left handers and away from the righties.

Totally agree with Symonds, when he finds some form in the shiffield shield then put him back in but Watson deserves his go for the time being.
And totally agree with Hodge, if he plays he must bat 4-6, he would struggle heavily any higher. He and David Hussey are two very unlucky players and at any other time in our history would have both played at least 20 tests each by now.
 
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Young Willi Lad;281164 said:
Good post Solar. Can't agree with you however about Johnson, we have to keep giving him a go he along with Siddle are the future of our bowling attack. He has raw pace and is a strong wicket tacker. He does have to be able to swing the new ball he at times has shown he can reverse swing the old ball back into the left handers and away from the righties.

Totally agree with Symonds, when he finds some form in the shiffield shield then put him back in but Watson deserves his go for the time being.
And totally agree with Hodge, if he plays he must bat 4-6, he would struggle heavily any higher. He and David Hussey are two very unlucky players and at any other time in our history would have both played at least 20 tests each by now.
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it could be worse, at least they had a look in, ask the likes of hill for tasmania or others what it's like to be so close. Was watching a 95/96 one day game between the breaks in the domestic one dayer, classic to see a stuart law get done (how he ever made runs I can never understand.... ok I'm a victorian, we have long memories :p) so yes hodge and hussey might have played alot more test cricket if they say lived in another country but even as a passionate victorian I can see the problems with their technique.

Lets both watch the Gabba match and then discuss johnson, still don't think he moves the ball enough which is crucial to put you from good first class bowler to class test match bowler. Would love nothing more then a test match level left armer, gives such variety and right handers hate facing them.
 
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The only change should be Clark coming in for White.

Even if I do agree with the fact that he gets the bulk of his wickets in ugly, very unspectacular fashion, Johnson should be in the team all summer. He bowls enough good balls, and that knack for taking poles from rubbish balls is something that some people just have.

If Clark struggles, I'd like to see big Siddle afforded another test cap. I like the team with him it - very, very Craig McD. Bullish, hardworking, honest and potentially very, very good.

Watson was almost the pick of the quicks in India when everyone tipped him to fail miserable. At times he looked very ordinary, but was the only Aussie bowler that seemed to consistently find a little extra something in the deck. And was relatively economical as well. He just needs to get that ball going in the air.

If Krazy is taking wickets at less than 40, he should be in the team all summer. Dead simple.

Haydos is a tricky one. If he scores big against the New Zealanders, which he should be able to do fairly easily, he'll book his spot for a while, but it's only delaying the inevitable. If he doesn't score big against the New Zealanders, he should be gone (should be... but probably won't be). I would LOVE the Aussie selectors to make a bold move and select Hughes - maybe he doesn't have the runs on the board like Marsh or Rogers, but I think he's potentially better than both. Wouldn't be disappointed to see Marsh there though - him and Hughes will be the long term opening partnership for Australia.

************ this talk of an era finishing. We're dead on our feet for spinners, but everything else is stocked nicely.
 
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hayden
katich
ponting
m.hussey
clarke
symonds
watson
haddin
lee
krezja
johnson/clark

if thats not the side ill eat my hat
 
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