Australian Test XI - Selection Thread
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thommy_rissole
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Sorry Boris, I was just responding to your post (read: dribble).
Didn't realise everything was speculation!
Pakistan have no chance in 5 years time to beat Australia - where did you get your crystal ball from?
Boris;380902 said:
thommy_rissole;380907 said:
Boris;380934 said:
Sorry Boris, I was just responding to your post (read: dribble).
Didn't realise everything was speculation!
Pakistan have no chance in 5 years time to beat Australia - where did you get your crystal ball from?
Re: Australian Test XI - Selection Thread
I can't say a thing without a politician wannabe taking my words and twisting them to suit themselves
FFS if you want me to write an essay about every single little thing I say then say it before you start your post.
Pakistan has been thrashed by Australia for the past two years.
Australia are down on strength now.
When do you think would be the most likely time they would get a win?
If you follow Australian cricket at all you would see that Australia have a tendency to go up and down with their cricket. They sit high in number 1 spot, then fall for a bit, then get straight back up there, all to do with transitional periods. This is the biggest and most unnecessary one they have had in perhaps 60 years or more. It will probably take 5 years until they are back at number 1 position and holding it steadily if history is to repeat itself like it has dozens of times.
Saying that though, Pakistan might form into a great cricketing nation in that time. They may pip Australia at the post.
If we are looking to the future of course it is going to be speculation. It obviously takes more than common sense for you to work that out with me having to explain it to you.
I'm taking this seriously because this isn't even your argument, I was responding to a thoughtful comment from Sober Symonds. He has the opposite opinion to me in a lot of things but his posts are thought through and evidenced, not condescending stupidity.
Sorry mate.
thommy_rissole;380948 said:
I can't say a thing without a politician wannabe taking my words and twisting them to suit themselves
FFS if you want me to write an essay about every single little thing I say then say it before you start your post.
Pakistan has been thrashed by Australia for the past two years.
Australia are down on strength now.
When do you think would be the most likely time they would get a win?
If you follow Australian cricket at all you would see that Australia have a tendency to go up and down with their cricket. They sit high in number 1 spot, then fall for a bit, then get straight back up there, all to do with transitional periods. This is the biggest and most unnecessary one they have had in perhaps 60 years or more. It will probably take 5 years until they are back at number 1 position and holding it steadily if history is to repeat itself like it has dozens of times.
Saying that though, Pakistan might form into a great cricketing nation in that time. They may pip Australia at the post.
If we are looking to the future of course it is going to be speculation. It obviously takes more than common sense for you to work that out with me having to explain it to you.
I'm taking this seriously because this isn't even your argument, I was responding to a thoughtful comment from Sober Symonds. He has the opposite opinion to me in a lot of things but his posts are thought through and evidenced, not condescending stupidity.
Sorry mate.
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Re: Australian Test XI - Selection Thread
Really no condescending?
No high-horsing?
You may have a point Boris but watch out for the alluring satisfaction that can only be provided by sanctimonious pontificating.
Both of you have made decent points, but you have also quibbled over the needlessly trivial (speculation: that’s all these forums are from looking forward to reading captains minds...)
Knowledge of history can be important in understanding the trends that may be to come. But as many in the 70s and again recently (not a cricket reference) found this thesis can result in spectacular failure of ability to predict or understand changes which occur. The structure of the cricket world is always changing in such a way that it cannot be modelled on its previous incarnations. Blind adherence to spurious correlation and unsubstantiated trends (and the reasoning behind them) are a perfect example in errant logic, irrational exuberance and undue optimism.
Boris;380953 said:I can't say a thing without a politician wannabe taking my words and twisting them to suit themselves
FFS if you want me to write an essay about every single little thing I say then say it before you start your post.
Pakistan has been thrashed by Australia for the past two years.
Australia are down on strength now.
When do you think would be the most likely time they would get a win?
If you follow Australian cricket at all you would see that Australia have a tendency to go up and down with their cricket. They sit high in number 1 spot, then fall for a bit, then get straight back up there, all to do with transitional periods. This is the biggest and most unnecessary one they have had in perhaps 60 years or more. It will probably take 5 years until they are back at number 1 position and holding it steadily if history is to repeat itself like it has dozens of times.
Saying that though, Pakistan might form into a great cricketing nation in that time. They may pip Australia at the post.
If we are looking to the future of course it is going to be speculation. It obviously takes more than common sense for you to work that out with me having to explain it to you.
I'm taking this seriously because this isn't even your argument, I was responding to a thoughtful comment from Sober Symonds. He has the opposite opinion to me in a lot of things but his posts are thought through and evidenced, not condescending stupidity.
Sorry mate.
Really no condescending?
No high-horsing?
You may have a point Boris but watch out for the alluring satisfaction that can only be provided by sanctimonious pontificating.
Both of you have made decent points, but you have also quibbled over the needlessly trivial (speculation: that’s all these forums are from looking forward to reading captains minds...)
Knowledge of history can be important in understanding the trends that may be to come. But as many in the 70s and again recently (not a cricket reference) found this thesis can result in spectacular failure of ability to predict or understand changes which occur. The structure of the cricket world is always changing in such a way that it cannot be modelled on its previous incarnations. Blind adherence to spurious correlation and unsubstantiated trends (and the reasoning behind them) are a perfect example in errant logic, irrational exuberance and undue optimism.
thommy_rissole
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Re: Australian Test XI - Selection Thread
I agree with you that Australia are at their most vulnerable they have been for the last 15 years - it was always going to happen after losing their more established personnel (Gilchrist, Martyn, Hayden, Langer, McGrath, Warne etc..). They are still quite competitive and have match winners in Ponting, Clarke, Katich and Johnson. They aren’t as bad as some people may have you believe but yes if I was another test playing nation playing against them I would think now is the best time to win.
I am no ‘politician wannabe’, I am merely dissecting your posts for things to reply to.
You wrote in a post that
In your previous post you stated
I know how to hypothesise and speculate so don’t give me this ‘common sense’ jargon please, you’re wasting your time with that.
There is no need to be writing essays to back up your opinions, just don’t overload a post with pointless information that is irrelrvant/wrong.
Australia have been on top of the Test tree for some time now, up until recently they had been seen (and ranked by the ICC) as the Number 1 Test playing nation. We are now currently 3rd.
Pakistan are substantially inferior according to the ICC but probably have on paper a better bowling line-up than the Australians. Gul, Aamer, Asif, Rauf, Kaneria & Sami are one of the better bowling attacks around in world cricket at the moment. I await the upcoming Test Series with interest.
I agree with you that Australia are at their most vulnerable they have been for the last 15 years - it was always going to happen after losing their more established personnel (Gilchrist, Martyn, Hayden, Langer, McGrath, Warne etc..). They are still quite competitive and have match winners in Ponting, Clarke, Katich and Johnson. They aren’t as bad as some people may have you believe but yes if I was another test playing nation playing against them I would think now is the best time to win.
I am no ‘politician wannabe’, I am merely dissecting your posts for things to reply to.
You wrote in a post that
And all I did was respond with
No ‘condescending stupidity’ there, clearly thought through and evidenced.
In your previous post you stated
Well I am assuming you’re talking about the ODI series that happened in April/May 09 in Dubai which Australia ‘thrashed’ them 3-2. Or the one off match at the ICC Champions Trophy which Australia won. By my findings, Australia haven’t played a test match against Pakistan since January 2005. I have no idea why you put that comment in your post (considering this is the test match thread), some people could argue that it is ‘condescending stupidity’.Boris;380953 said:
I know how to hypothesise and speculate so don’t give me this ‘common sense’ jargon please, you’re wasting your time with that.
There is no need to be writing essays to back up your opinions, just don’t overload a post with pointless information that is irrelrvant/wrong.
Australia have been on top of the Test tree for some time now, up until recently they had been seen (and ranked by the ICC) as the Number 1 Test playing nation. We are now currently 3rd.
Pakistan are substantially inferior according to the ICC but probably have on paper a better bowling line-up than the Australians. Gul, Aamer, Asif, Rauf, Kaneria & Sami are one of the better bowling attacks around in world cricket at the moment. I await the upcoming Test Series with interest.
Re: Australian Test XI - Selection Thread
When I said the last couple of years I actually meant the past couple of series, as in a Test series, having forgotten they haven't been playing.
Let's just say we are both in the wrong. I shouldn't have bitten.
And if we both dissect each other's post you should see we are in fact arguing the same point. Bit pointless ironically in the end.
When I said the last couple of years I actually meant the past couple of series, as in a Test series, having forgotten they haven't been playing.
Let's just say we are both in the wrong. I shouldn't have bitten.
And if we both dissect each other's post you should see we are in fact arguing the same point. Bit pointless ironically in the end.
eddiesmith
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Re: Australian Test XI - Selection Thread
Cameron White should be making his home test debut at the MCG
Could replace any member of the Australian batting order, but Ponting is probably the only one the selectors will replace
Cameron White should be making his home test debut at the MCG
Could replace any member of the Australian batting order, but Ponting is probably the only one the selectors will replace
eddiesmith
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Re: Australian Test XI - Selection Thread
It may seem biased to some but really, what options do Australia have to play at no3 or no5 in the test side next week? Also remembering the game is at the fast MCG, not a low, slow SCG or Newcastle wicket
It may seem biased to some but really, what options do Australia have to play at no3 or no5 in the test side next week? Also remembering the game is at the fast MCG, not a low, slow SCG or Newcastle wicket
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I guess it depends on whether Australia win or lose this test, either way, I think the selectors will start getting itchy trigger fingers after that second innings performance at Perth.
Batting collapses can happen to any team, no arguement there, however we have had 3 dramatic collapses in the 7 test matchs, which is concerning. Anyone can make mistakes, however if you don't learn from your mistakes then that is when something needs to be done. Continued collapses indicates that perhaps the time has come for a change.
Watson as an opener is not a viable option if his going to bowl, and at this stage, his bowling is much appreciated. We need that 5 man bowling attack to win test matchs consistently. As such we should probably throw Watson opening to the wind. It's alright coming out batting first and scoring 90 odd, but its a different story having to bat for a second time in the match after fielding for 100 overs and bowling.
I think perhaps we should think seriously about reinstating Phil Hughes to partner Katich.
I guess it depends on whether Australia win or lose this test, either way, I think the selectors will start getting itchy trigger fingers after that second innings performance at Perth.
Batting collapses can happen to any team, no arguement there, however we have had 3 dramatic collapses in the 7 test matchs, which is concerning. Anyone can make mistakes, however if you don't learn from your mistakes then that is when something needs to be done. Continued collapses indicates that perhaps the time has come for a change.
Watson as an opener is not a viable option if his going to bowl, and at this stage, his bowling is much appreciated. We need that 5 man bowling attack to win test matchs consistently. As such we should probably throw Watson opening to the wind. It's alright coming out batting first and scoring 90 odd, but its a different story having to bat for a second time in the match after fielding for 100 overs and bowling.
I think perhaps we should think seriously about reinstating Phil Hughes to partner Katich.
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I see nothing wrong with the batting as it is. There is only Hussey, but he seems back into some sort of groove anyway. The batting collapses aren't as regular as some other teams are with their full strength side and I think this is the way it's going to be until they are settled together and stop all scoring big at once (a la 650 First Test of the Ashes) or all scoring low at once (a la 150 last Test against the Windies). This is normally solved after having the same line up all at once and the teamwork allowing each other to know strengths, weaknesses etc. I wouldn't go changing it currently in lieu of knowing that this is most likely to occur if you keep them together. This doesn't have much to the topic on hand but leads onto my next topic.
Bollinger vs Siddle. If everyone is fit, it is most likely going to be Hilfenhaus and Siddle/Bollinger in the two places left. I think Hilfy has his spot under wraps.
Bollinger has been very impressive the last two games. I have liked him since he first started making a name of himself, but didn't think he was really Australian standard. It seems like there is little choice now, though. He really did well against some much improved batting and the best bowler of the series IMO.
Saying this, though, Siddle has had his spot for a while. Now this may come as a surprise to some, but just because I don't like him and I think he is, put simply, a terrible player, he has that right to come back after an injury after making a name of himself, at least IMO. I would play Siddle when he is fit in front of Bollinger. He shouldn't lose his spot for being injured.
Thoughts?
I see nothing wrong with the batting as it is. There is only Hussey, but he seems back into some sort of groove anyway. The batting collapses aren't as regular as some other teams are with their full strength side and I think this is the way it's going to be until they are settled together and stop all scoring big at once (a la 650 First Test of the Ashes) or all scoring low at once (a la 150 last Test against the Windies). This is normally solved after having the same line up all at once and the teamwork allowing each other to know strengths, weaknesses etc. I wouldn't go changing it currently in lieu of knowing that this is most likely to occur if you keep them together. This doesn't have much to the topic on hand but leads onto my next topic.
Bollinger vs Siddle. If everyone is fit, it is most likely going to be Hilfenhaus and Siddle/Bollinger in the two places left. I think Hilfy has his spot under wraps.
Bollinger has been very impressive the last two games. I have liked him since he first started making a name of himself, but didn't think he was really Australian standard. It seems like there is little choice now, though. He really did well against some much improved batting and the best bowler of the series IMO.
Saying this, though, Siddle has had his spot for a while. Now this may come as a surprise to some, but just because I don't like him and I think he is, put simply, a terrible player, he has that right to come back after an injury after making a name of himself, at least IMO. I would play Siddle when he is fit in front of Bollinger. He shouldn't lose his spot for being injured.
Thoughts?
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I agree there, a very traditional style work his arse off bowler, my favourite type. Plus he is also a good old fashioned country bloke and you aren't going to get the antics that Siddle goes on with.
But saying this, hasn't Siddle done enough to keep his spot?
breeno;381320 said:
I agree there, a very traditional style work his arse off bowler, my favourite type. Plus he is also a good old fashioned country bloke and you aren't going to get the antics that Siddle goes on with.
But saying this, hasn't Siddle done enough to keep his spot?
breeno
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Siddle was impressive in South Africa, but he has too many down patches IMO. He's not like Johnson in that when he's bowling badly he still takes wickets. I don't think they can drop Doug, so it's really Siddle vs. Hilfy. I'd take Hilfy to be honest.
Boris;381323 said:
Siddle was impressive in South Africa, but he has too many down patches IMO. He's not like Johnson in that when he's bowling badly he still takes wickets. I don't think they can drop Doug, so it's really Siddle vs. Hilfy. I'd take Hilfy to be honest.
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Funny, that's what I said months and months ago
I don't think he was even that impressive in South Africa.
Well if we are taking the Hifly vs Siddle then, do you think Hilfy can perform in Australia, a place other than England. He did well in South Africa, although wasn't bowling very smartly because the conditions didn't suit him. That's what I'm worried about.
Also the lack of experience is never going to be good.
breeno;381341 said:
Funny, that's what I said months and months ago
I don't think he was even that impressive in South Africa.Well if we are taking the Hifly vs Siddle then, do you think Hilfy can perform in Australia, a place other than England. He did well in South Africa, although wasn't bowling very smartly because the conditions didn't suit him. That's what I'm worried about.
Also the lack of experience is never going to be good.
breeno
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Re: Australian Test XI - Selection Thread
Hilfy did well at the Gabba IIRC.
Boris;381342 said:Funny, that's what I said months and months ago
Well if we are taking the Hifly vs Siddle then, do you think Hilfy can perform in Australia, a place other than England. He did well in South Africa, although wasn't bowling very smartly because the conditions didn't suit him. That's what I'm worried about.
Also the lack of experience is never going to be good.
Hilfy did well at the Gabba IIRC.