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MATAJABACO;370242 said:+
Due to the rain situation early in this week, there will be no turf matches.
SLASHER;370567 said:from the darley boys. our turf was ready. our curator had prep a wicket ready for round one. we contacted BCA however they did not want to listen. this game we prepared another one ready for saturday and sunday. we are a turf comp so if it's ready to play on we should play. only after about 50 phone calls we get on to our home deck. Darley park had finals on it for footy. so it's a credit to our curator( dave Mclean. curator started work on our wicket on Fathers Day. top dressed and seeded in readyness for round one. when is some one going to realise there is more than just ballarat cricket teams in this comp. aka Naps an Darley Give us a go or this comp may have a bye next season. yours sincerely MW feel free to drill me i dont care. more than happy to have feedback.
iamthehighway;370743 said:were did ya hear that? cos its too wet??
Just made it up in hope!iamthehighway;370743 said:were did ya hear that? cos its too wet??
Samurai;370811 said:I won't even start on the umpire numbers...
SteveB;370892 said:No please do start Samurai, I am sick and tired of knobs taking shots at the Umpires - tell me what is your solution for a lack of umpires?
Let me tell you a couple of things;
We have advertised via radio, newspapers and by sending letters to more than 60 ex players we thought might be interested in umpiring. The end result was not one single reply from the ~60 letters, and four new umpires have joined from the other ads.
The BCA asked each club to provide some help by giving the names and addresses of ex players that might be interested in umpiring - only six clubs replied and not all those who replied were willing to help.
So for christ sake if you have the answers then by all means get started and give me what you've got, alas I suspect you will have nothing and be another who is just happy to sit back, take pot shots and do nothing.
SteveB;370892 said:No please do start Samurai, I am sick and tired of knobs taking shots at the Umpires - tell me what is your solution for a lack of umpires?
Let me tell you a couple of things;
We have advertised via radio, newspapers and by sending letters to more than 60 ex players we thought might be interested in umpiring. The end result was not one single reply from the ~60 letters, and four new umpires have joined from the other ads.
The BCA asked each club to provide some help by giving the names and addresses of ex players that might be interested in umpiring - only six clubs replied and not all those who replied were willing to help.
So for christ sake if you have the answers then by all means get started and give me what you've got, alas I suspect you will have nothing and be another who is just happy to sit back, take pot shots and do nothing.
SteveB;370892 said:No please do start Samurai, I am sick and tired of knobs taking shots at the Umpires - tell me what is your solution for a lack of umpires?
Let me tell you a couple of things;
We have advertised via radio, newspapers and by sending letters to more than 60 ex players we thought might be interested in umpiring. The end result was not one single reply from the ~60 letters, and four new umpires have joined from the other ads.
The BCA asked each club to provide some help by giving the names and addresses of ex players that might be interested in umpiring - only six clubs replied and not all those who replied were willing to help.
So for christ sake if you have the answers then by all means get started and give me what you've got, alas I suspect you will have nothing and be another who is just happy to sit back, take pot shots and do nothing.
Samurai;370970 said:Hi Stevie B...
Firstly it wasn't a direct attack on the umpires I think it is great you and others give up your time to give back to the game and I wish more ex players would. I was having a crack at the BCA and all the bureaucratic bull@#$% they carry on with which stops people from wanting to play and frustrates players and umpires until they have enough and walk away or stop being involved all together with cricket. So I hope that clears up that.. sorry for any confusion!!
In regards to the umpire situation I don't think its a money issue... why do you umpire?? So paying more isn't neccessarily going to get umpires or more importantly good umpires. I said this last year and I am not sure what the response was. But Basketball when they were struggling implemented a club referee system where the club had the onus put on them to find and supply one referee for at least one game per week otherwise they forfeited points.
Surely the 10 clubs could find an ex player or two to share the workload of umpiring each week. If the ex player felt that they were doing something for the club in regards to preventing their club losing points I think they would come at the idea. It is then up to the club to possibly find incentives for them to umpire if that what it takes. I personally think it is worth a try, but I am sure the BCA has lots of good reasons why it wouldn't work. But I think the BCA needs to take a risk and try something drastic at least in the short term. Happy to come along to a meeting and share this idea further if it would help.
Dave Ellis
SteveB;370974 said:Dave,
No apology needed. The BCUA have been copping it a bit for a lack of numbers, and it's something we can't seem to find an answer to it. I wish I knew why guys don't want to umpire.
I also agree with a lot you said.
Paying more is not the answer, it will only attract people who are in it for the money which is counter productive to getting good umpires.
I am also in favour of the BCA asking each club to provide an umpire, there are obviously some problems with that but none that can't be sorted out before any such plan was implemented.
Thanks for the reply.
Steve.
cobber14;371123 said:yeah your probably right. paying them really well for doing a tough job that no-one wants to do anymore isnt gunna get the people we want.
lets go back to the clubs that are already struggling to find volunteers themselves & see if they have any spares they could lend for the entire season, every saturday!!!
i notice the shepparton league are down to 4 umpires this season. yep 4. looks like they are gunna beat us to zero.
oh well, lets just keep talking about it, continue doing what we have always done & keep getting the same results.......
bullshit talks, money walks. simple.
Samurai;371288 said:You might be right Cobber....
Your idea might solve the problem once and for all, pay the umpires $200 a week, increase ball money to $25 each per week then no one would play and then we wouldn't need umpires....
cobber14;371319 said:they all say the same thing. its a prick of a job that for $90 is not worth the trouble.
We faced the same problem Dave. Don & league have to get off there high horse and let common sense prevail. Here's a couple of problems we faced in past couple of weeks.Samurai;370811 said:Just wondering if any other clubs had issues this week with people missing out on playing a game due to the seconds being scheduled on a Sunday and the rule of only dropping down one grade. How can the association expect people to make a written application if a decision on ground availability is only made on a Wednesday afternoon and the application is due by Wednesday night. I thought a bit of common sense would be used at this time of year to ensure people can get a game especially with the lack of access to grounds. Who really cares if someone is playing thirds instead of firsts at this time of year, I can understand it after Christmas when people start thinking more about finals in the lower grades. As we know there are people already playing in lower grades who should be playing at higher levels. I think Ballarat Cricket has a lot to answer to, no wonder some of our better players have gone to play in Geelong and people stop playing all together and I won't even start on the umpire numbers... seriously they should get off their high horses and let people play cricket, Yes I know we need rules, but seriously. Isn't it all about participation...
Dean Waugh;371537 said:2. Jason Knowles was permitted last week to play for essendon district sunday by BCA, then they changed there decision and said no sunday morning(whilst he was starting warm up for essendon!) He now isn't allowed to play this week for brown hill. He only played because he had the green light from BCA????Jason ended up playing for you guys on the weekend didn't he?
5. Don is scared..... and thinks if it's in the rule book then that's the final decision, have some balls and let common sense take over sometimes.
Don is not scared he just applies the rules as written. If it is in the rule book it has to be applied as written, if not then chaos reigns. If you don't like some of the rules then put recommendations in to have them changed. If any one made decisions outside of the rules they would be nailed for showing preference or favouritism. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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I understand your frustration about some of the rules... but when administering 20 clubs with 78 senior and 52 junior sides (63 games each week) there needs to be rules and they need to be followed to ensure everything is done fairly for all teams/clubs.
Fines are a PITA for everyone and to the BCA's credit they have changed rules for the past two years on the things clubs were being fined most on.
As well most of the rules with regards to players going up and down grades were introduced after submissions/complaints were made by BCA member clubs about sides doing dodgy things with players in lower grades.
I am not saying that all things cricket in Ballarat are perfect but I don't think that the BCA is doing everything wrong either.
If you aren't happy get your club to make a submission to the BCA and provide a better solution.
SteveB;372264 said:Dean Waugh;371537 said:2. Jason Knowles was permitted last week to play for essendon district sunday by BCA, then they changed there decision and said no sunday morning(whilst he was starting warm up for essendon!) He now isn't allowed to play this week for brown hill. He only played because he had the green light from BCA????Jason ended up playing for you guys on the weekend didn't he?
5. Don is scared..... and thinks if it's in the rule book then that's the final decision, have some balls and let common sense take over sometimes.
Don is not scared he just applies the rules as written. If it is in the rule book it has to be applied as written, if not then chaos reigns. If you don't like some of the rules then put recommendations in to have them changed. If any one made decisions outside of the rules they would be nailed for showing preference or favouritism. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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I understand your frustration about some of the rules... but when administering 20 clubs with 78 senior and 52 junior sides (63 games each week) there needs to be rules and they need to be followed to ensure everything is done fairly for all teams/clubs.
Fines are a PITA for everyone and to the BCA's credit they have changed rules for the past two years on the things clubs were being fined most on.
As well most of the rules with regards to players going up and down grades were introduced after submissions/complaints were made by BCA member clubs about sides doing dodgy things with players in lower grades.
I am not saying that all things cricket in Ballarat are perfect but I don't think that the BCA is doing everything wrong either.
If you aren't happy get your club to make a submission to the BCA and provide a better solution.
The rules for dropping more than two grades should be wiped clean for the start of a season, they should only be in place to stop people for dropping back after xmas to get sides into finals. when sides are struggling for numbers at beginning of season because of sunday cricket etc then common sense should prevail and the rule shouldn't apply.
As for stopping a young bloke from our competition from going to premier cricket for a match to help improve his game and a side has shown some interest in trying him out, then it is a completely disgraceful. All other associations allow it except for the bca. it is not a cricket victoria rule, it is only a BCA rule.
Where does all the fine money go to??? I've played country week the past two seasons and have gotten ************ all for it. all players take a week off work and are given only $25 a day which is ************ all when u have to travel up and back each day and buy your breakfast and tea..leaving at like 6am and getting home after 10pm is stupidity. all other associations stay down in melbourne and get alot more gear(uniforms) then what ballarat players do. All we got was a playing top.
The BCA is almost becoming a joke of an association and would be fairly close to the worst ran association in the state I would presume.