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[RazzaTheRooster]

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not being part of the cabinet i shouldn't comment on any going ons in politics either but if i hear something i might mention it

Yes, but if you'd previously been part of the cabinet, and now are not, would you kiss and tell ? That's the situation I'm in.

who is going to take part in the 1st XI, some new players going to step up? some surprise packets? some kids? whats your theory on the 1st XI maybe even the 2nd XI if you wanna extend the list, couldn't do any worse than the last seasons effort, do you think there should be a lot more experimenting with different players?

It's all about being given opportunities, and I think that blokes like Burns, D Pearce and Draffin really came on last year, not to mention D Beaumont, J Pearce and L Grundell who I think are up to it but just need a bit of self-belief. Seb Oliver makes the magoos look easy so expect big things from him once he believes in himself also. Fitzy is playing in England and Gerard said he was going alright when I spoke to him.

A couple years away are the Crouch boys (sons of), Tom McGregor (son of) and Sprigga, if they don't get poached by Melbourne clubs first. There's a lot of good signs provided we stick together, and mix this youth with some old heads. A couple of experienced recruits would round out the list nicely and give the current bunch another year or two and we should be right back in the mix.

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

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Based on what the Rooster is saying can anyone else shed any light here - overheard a North bloke talking to a mate of his and I reckon I heard Trav Faulkhead's name mentioned, not sure whether he's on the market??? but they seemed pretty confident and its sounds like they have more money than sense

According to BCA regulations no-one except the coach can be paid. We abide by that to the letter and no player is paid ... verbatim.

I reckon you'd need about $5K to lure T Faulkhead to your club ...

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

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Based on what the Rooster is saying can anyone else shed any light here - overheard a North bloke talking to a mate of his and I reckon I heard Trav Faulkhead's name mentioned, not sure whether he's on the market??? but they seemed pretty confident and its sounds like they have more money than sense

According to BCA regulations no-one except the coach can be paid. We abide by that to the letter and no player is paid ... verbatim.

I reckon you'd need about $5K to lure T Faulkhead to your club ...

 

[HitnGiggle]

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It's all about being given opportunities, and I think that blokes like Burns, D Pearce and Draffin really came on last year, not to mention D Beaumont, J Pearce and L Grundell who I think are up to it but just need a bit of self-belief. Seb Oliver makes the magoos look easy so expect big things from him once he believes in himself also. Fitzy is playing in England and Gerard said he was going alright when I spoke to him.

So basically you think the 1sts and 2nds will remain pretty much the same with a few new recruits thrown in the mix?

 

[HitnGiggle]

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It's all about being given opportunities, and I think that blokes like Burns, D Pearce and Draffin really came on last year, not to mention D Beaumont, J Pearce and L Grundell who I think are up to it but just need a bit of self-belief. Seb Oliver makes the magoos look easy so expect big things from him once he believes in himself also. Fitzy is playing in England and Gerard said he was going alright when I spoke to him.

So basically you think the 1sts and 2nds will remain pretty much the same with a few new recruits thrown in the mix?

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

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So basically you think the 1sts and 2nds will remain pretty much the same with a few new recruits thrown in the mix?

Extremely hard to tell at this time of year of course, but yes, that's the way it will pan out I think. I'm certainly don't think there'll be wholesale changes.

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

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So basically you think the 1sts and 2nds will remain pretty much the same with a few new recruits thrown in the mix?

Extremely hard to tell at this time of year of course, but yes, that's the way it will pan out I think. I'm certainly don't think there'll be wholesale changes.

 

[SteveB]

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According to BCA regulations no-one except the coach can be paid. We abide by that to the letter and no player is paid ... verbatim.

I reckon you'd need about $5K to lure T Faulkhead to your club ...

Razza,

Have the rules changed without anyone being told? Of course you can pay players in the BCA. All you need to do is inform the BCA Pennant committee and get their approval.

Steve.

 

[SteveB]

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According to BCA regulations no-one except the coach can be paid. We abide by that to the letter and no player is paid ... verbatim.

I reckon you'd need about $5K to lure T Faulkhead to your club ...

Razza,

Have the rules changed without anyone being told? Of course you can pay players in the BCA. All you need to do is inform the BCA Pennant committee and get their approval.

Steve.

 

[napisan]

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Based on what the Rooster is saying can anyone else shed any light here - overheard a North bloke talking to a mate of his and I reckon I heard Trav Faulkhead's name mentioned, not sure whether he's on the market??? but they seemed pretty confident and its sounds like they have more money than sense, other guys mentioned in that little conversation I evesdropped on was Brendan Burns and Matt Wheeler possibly going to North, fair chance of that you'd reckon. Mind you the guy seemed a bit of a nuffy so fair chance he wasn't on the money, but thought it worth floating on hear.

Who's this Paul Clark guy from Melbourne to Napoleons anyway, would he be good enough to replace Faulkhead??? Or is he just an old, has been, that will just coach?

There seems to have been a lot of crap on hear of late, any one got anything to put some of these rumours to bed.

No chance of Burnsy going to North.

 

[napisan]

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Based on what the Rooster is saying can anyone else shed any light here - overheard a North bloke talking to a mate of his and I reckon I heard Trav Faulkhead's name mentioned, not sure whether he's on the market??? but they seemed pretty confident and its sounds like they have more money than sense, other guys mentioned in that little conversation I evesdropped on was Brendan Burns and Matt Wheeler possibly going to North, fair chance of that you'd reckon. Mind you the guy seemed a bit of a nuffy so fair chance he wasn't on the money, but thought it worth floating on hear.

Who's this Paul Clark guy from Melbourne to Napoleons anyway, would he be good enough to replace Faulkhead??? Or is he just an old, has been, that will just coach?

There seems to have been a lot of crap on hear of late, any one got anything to put some of these rumours to bed.

No chance of Burnsy going to North.

 

[Scimitar 618]

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A couple years away are the Crouch boys (sons of)

Hey Razza any chance the younger of them will play the season in the 2's this year??? Batted well against us the the 3's last season and was probably one of the two best batsmen they had in the side...

 

[Scimitar 618]

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A couple years away are the Crouch boys (sons of)

Hey Razza any chance the younger of them will play the season in the 2's this year??? Batted well against us the the 3's last season and was probably one of the two best batsmen they had in the side...

 

[cobber14]

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Hey Razza any chance the younger of them will play the season in the 2's this year??? Batted well against us the the 3's last season and was probably one of the two best batsmen they had in the side...

hope not. shouldnt even be playing 3s. he too young. imagine him facing a 1st player on a dodgy turf track thats back in the 2s for a game or big sticka from naps that gets alot of lift. the lad would be killed.

thats the problem with alot of clubs. a kid makes a nice 20, so he gets promoted. the crouch kids are guns, but should be allowed to play 4s & 5ths & learn how to make 500 runs in a season. playing 2s & getting 10s teaches them nothing. turning 30 into 70 & then turning that into 100 is a skill that the earlier you teach them, the better. they are no chance of learning that when they are out of their depth & not powerful enough to hit thru or over the infield.

 

[cobber14]

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Hey Razza any chance the younger of them will play the season in the 2's this year??? Batted well against us the the 3's last season and was probably one of the two best batsmen they had in the side...

hope not. shouldnt even be playing 3s. he too young. imagine him facing a 1st player on a dodgy turf track thats back in the 2s for a game or big sticka from naps that gets alot of lift. the lad would be killed.

thats the problem with alot of clubs. a kid makes a nice 20, so he gets promoted. the crouch kids are guns, but should be allowed to play 4s & 5ths & learn how to make 500 runs in a season. playing 2s & getting 10s teaches them nothing. turning 30 into 70 & then turning that into 100 is a skill that the earlier you teach them, the better. they are no chance of learning that when they are out of their depth & not powerful enough to hit thru or over the infield.

 

[garnoo]

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. "turning 30 into 70 & then turning that into 100 is a skill that the earlier you teach them, the better. they are no chance of learning that when they are out of their depth & not powerful enough to hit thru or over the infield.[/QUOTE]"

Good call. I suppose the balance is teaching them how to work hard for their runs too. Kids such as that probably dominating junior cricket. Wouldnt want them to think this game is easy.

 

[garnoo]

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. "turning 30 into 70 & then turning that into 100 is a skill that the earlier you teach them, the better. they are no chance of learning that when they are out of their depth & not powerful enough to hit thru or over the infield.[/QUOTE]"

Good call. I suppose the balance is teaching them how to work hard for their runs too. Kids such as that probably dominating junior cricket. Wouldnt want them to think this game is easy.

 

[Scimitar 618]

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hope not. shouldnt even be playing 3s. he too young. imagine him facing a 1st player on a dodgy turf track thats back in the 2s for a game or big sticka from naps that gets alot of lift. the lad would be killed.

thats the problem with alot of clubs. a kid makes a nice 20, so he gets promoted. the crouch kids are guns, but should be allowed to play 4s & 5ths & learn how to make 500 runs in a season. playing 2s & getting 10s teaches them nothing. turning 30 into 70 & then turning that into 100 is a skill that the earlier you teach them, the better. they are no chance of learning that when they are out of their depth & not powerful enough to hit thru or over the infield.

Yeah good point even though he did look reasonably comfortable in the 3's I think slats would agree he did have trouble hitting the ball hard.

I will give him one thing for a young kid he can yap a bit behind the stumps...

 

[Scimitar 618]

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hope not. shouldnt even be playing 3s. he too young. imagine him facing a 1st player on a dodgy turf track thats back in the 2s for a game or big sticka from naps that gets alot of lift. the lad would be killed.

thats the problem with alot of clubs. a kid makes a nice 20, so he gets promoted. the crouch kids are guns, but should be allowed to play 4s & 5ths & learn how to make 500 runs in a season. playing 2s & getting 10s teaches them nothing. turning 30 into 70 & then turning that into 100 is a skill that the earlier you teach them, the better. they are no chance of learning that when they are out of their depth & not powerful enough to hit thru or over the infield.

Yeah good point even though he did look reasonably comfortable in the 3's I think slats would agree he did have trouble hitting the ball hard.

I will give him one thing for a young kid he can yap a bit behind the stumps...

 

[HitnGiggle]

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thats the problem with alot of clubs. a kid makes a nice 20, so he gets promoted. the crouch kids are guns, but should be allowed to play 4s & 5ths & learn how to make 500 runs in a season. playing 2s & getting 10s teaches them nothing. turning 30 into 70 & then turning that into 100 is a skill that the earlier you teach them, the better. they are no chance of learning that when they are out of their depth & not powerful enough to hit thru or over the infield.

4ths and 5ths are no good for them, i've had quite a few games with both of them and they can handle a hell of a lot more than your giving them credit for Brad already has a senior century under his belt and Matt a very nice 70 odd against what was to become the premiers of that season, both of these kids hadn't played under 16s to ever have the chance to bat that long so it was great to see them do it, as for getting killed in the magoos well yeah i agree about all that while at the same time disagreeing the last thing i would wanna see is one of the kids get hit and get hit hard and possibly badly injured but after plaing 50 overs of cricket in the morning and playing 80 in the arvo whether its 3rds or even 2nds these kids produce more heart that quite a number of the other guys in the team, even enough to win matches on occasions, guaranteed these boys are something special and everything will be done to see them achieve as much as possible when the time is right, that will probably mean 3rds cricket with the odd turf game against a slower attack but the bowling they will face in the under 16s is usually better than that in the 4ths, and you don't always have to hit the ball hard, perfect placement, a good eye and using the speed of the ball seems to work well for the kids, and yes the little ************** can yap as good as anyone behind the wicket.

 

[HitnGiggle]

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thats the problem with alot of clubs. a kid makes a nice 20, so he gets promoted. the crouch kids are guns, but should be allowed to play 4s & 5ths & learn how to make 500 runs in a season. playing 2s & getting 10s teaches them nothing. turning 30 into 70 & then turning that into 100 is a skill that the earlier you teach them, the better. they are no chance of learning that when they are out of their depth & not powerful enough to hit thru or over the infield.

4ths and 5ths are no good for them, i've had quite a few games with both of them and they can handle a hell of a lot more than your giving them credit for Brad already has a senior century under his belt and Matt a very nice 70 odd against what was to become the premiers of that season, both of these kids hadn't played under 16s to ever have the chance to bat that long so it was great to see them do it, as for getting killed in the magoos well yeah i agree about all that while at the same time disagreeing the last thing i would wanna see is one of the kids get hit and get hit hard and possibly badly injured but after plaing 50 overs of cricket in the morning and playing 80 in the arvo whether its 3rds or even 2nds these kids produce more heart that quite a number of the other guys in the team, even enough to win matches on occasions, guaranteed these boys are something special and everything will be done to see them achieve as much as possible when the time is right, that will probably mean 3rds cricket with the odd turf game against a slower attack but the bowling they will face in the under 16s is usually better than that in the 4ths, and you don't always have to hit the ball hard, perfect placement, a good eye and using the speed of the ball seems to work well for the kids, and yes the little ************** can yap as good as anyone behind the wicket.

 

[HitnGiggle]

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Not to mention Brad crouch 2 years ago played 4 games in the 5ths made 250 runs and still got runner up best and fairest as well as taking some wickets, that sort of ability should not be anywhere near the 4ths or 5ths.

 

[HitnGiggle]

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Not to mention Brad crouch 2 years ago played 4 games in the 5ths made 250 runs and still got runner up best and fairest as well as taking some wickets, that sort of ability should not be anywhere near the 4ths or 5ths.

 

[Bridgestone]

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hope not. shouldnt even be playing 3s. he too young. imagine him facing a 1st player on a dodgy turf track thats back in the 2s for a game or big sticka from naps that gets alot of lift. the lad would be killed.

thats the problem with alot of clubs. a kid makes a nice 20, so he gets promoted. the crouch kids are guns, but should be allowed to play 4s & 5ths & learn how to make 500 runs in a season. playing 2s & getting 10s teaches them nothing. turning 30 into 70 & then turning that into 100 is a skill that the earlier you teach them, the better. they are no chance of learning that when they are out of their depth & not powerful enough to hit thru or over the infield.

this reply depends on how old they are? if they are hitting u16's this year i dont agree with that. from all reports they have a great amount of ability, they will learn to turn the 30s and 70s into 100s in the u16s. giving them a few years in the 2s to get used to playing on turf, against better quality bowlers can only help them to learn alot quicker. i believe kids with talent should learn to craft an innings playing a little out of their comfort zone, rather than smashing runs in their comfort zone which is by the sounds of it what these to could do in the 3s.playing on hard wickets with bowlers they are probably used to all the time will not teach them much they dont already know in my opinion.

 

[Bridgestone]

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hope not. shouldnt even be playing 3s. he too young. imagine him facing a 1st player on a dodgy turf track thats back in the 2s for a game or big sticka from naps that gets alot of lift. the lad would be killed.

thats the problem with alot of clubs. a kid makes a nice 20, so he gets promoted. the crouch kids are guns, but should be allowed to play 4s & 5ths & learn how to make 500 runs in a season. playing 2s & getting 10s teaches them nothing. turning 30 into 70 & then turning that into 100 is a skill that the earlier you teach them, the better. they are no chance of learning that when they are out of their depth & not powerful enough to hit thru or over the infield.

this reply depends on how old they are? if they are hitting u16's this year i dont agree with that. from all reports they have a great amount of ability, they will learn to turn the 30s and 70s into 100s in the u16s. giving them a few years in the 2s to get used to playing on turf, against better quality bowlers can only help them to learn alot quicker. i believe kids with talent should learn to craft an innings playing a little out of their comfort zone, rather than smashing runs in their comfort zone which is by the sounds of it what these to could do in the 3s.playing on hard wickets with bowlers they are probably used to all the time will not teach them much they dont already know in my opinion.

 

[Yab_Yab]

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this reply depends on how old they are? if they are hitting u16's this year i dont agree with that. from all reports they have a great amount of ability, they will learn to turn the 30s and 70s into 100s in the u16s. giving them a few years in the 2s to get used to playing on turf, against better quality bowlers can only help them to learn alot quicker. i believe kids with talent should learn to craft an innings playing a little out of their comfort zone, rather than smashing runs in their comfort zone which is by the sounds of it what these to could do in the 3s.playing on hard wickets with bowlers they are probably used to all the time will not teach them much they dont already know in my opinion.

I don't think it is so much the age of them that should decide if they are ready to take the next step, but how their bodies, and ability, develop. Some kids bodies mature earlier then others and can step up to the 1's and be a solid contributor then. While another kid might develop a lot later so he would need to be held back slightly.

 

[Yab_Yab]

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this reply depends on how old they are? if they are hitting u16's this year i dont agree with that. from all reports they have a great amount of ability, they will learn to turn the 30s and 70s into 100s in the u16s. giving them a few years in the 2s to get used to playing on turf, against better quality bowlers can only help them to learn alot quicker. i believe kids with talent should learn to craft an innings playing a little out of their comfort zone, rather than smashing runs in their comfort zone which is by the sounds of it what these to could do in the 3s.playing on hard wickets with bowlers they are probably used to all the time will not teach them much they dont already know in my opinion.

I don't think it is so much the age of them that should decide if they are ready to take the next step, but how their bodies, and ability, develop. Some kids bodies mature earlier then others and can step up to the 1's and be a solid contributor then. While another kid might develop a lot later so he would need to be held back slightly.

 

[HitnGiggle]

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this reply depends on how old they are? if they are hitting u16's this year i dont agree with that. from all reports they have a great amount of ability, they will learn to turn the 30s and 70s into 100s in the u16s. giving them a few years in the 2s to get used to playing on turf, against better quality bowlers can only help them to learn alot quicker. i believe kids with talent should learn to craft an innings playing a little out of their comfort zone, rather than smashing runs in their comfort zone which is by the sounds of it what these to could do in the 3s.playing on hard wickets with bowlers they are probably used to all the time will not teach them much they dont already know in my opinion.

They are both keen to be in the under 16s this season under a new coach Brad being injured probably wont play a game all season and Matt can still play a year or 2 in the under 14s but has no challenge there

 

[HitnGiggle]

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this reply depends on how old they are? if they are hitting u16's this year i dont agree with that. from all reports they have a great amount of ability, they will learn to turn the 30s and 70s into 100s in the u16s. giving them a few years in the 2s to get used to playing on turf, against better quality bowlers can only help them to learn alot quicker. i believe kids with talent should learn to craft an innings playing a little out of their comfort zone, rather than smashing runs in their comfort zone which is by the sounds of it what these to could do in the 3s.playing on hard wickets with bowlers they are probably used to all the time will not teach them much they dont already know in my opinion.

They are both keen to be in the under 16s this season under a new coach Brad being injured probably wont play a game all season and Matt can still play a year or 2 in the under 14s but has no challenge there

 

[cobber14]

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any chance the ballarat redan players on here can confirm or deny the very strong rumour about jarrod allen going to wendouree this season. personally i cant believe an allen would leave redan, but im hearing this story from several sources.....

 

[cobber14]

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any chance the ballarat redan players on here can confirm or deny the very strong rumour about jarrod allen going to wendouree this season. personally i cant believe an allen would leave redan, but im hearing this story from several sources.....

 

[Yab_Yab]

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any chance the ballarat redan players on here can confirm or deny the very strong rumour about jarrod allen going to wendouree this season. personally i cant believe an allen would leave redan, but im hearing this story from several sources.....

I have not heard that one as yet. But I also have not talked to many of the guys from the club of late so I do not know. It would be disapointing if that was the case as he is a quality cricketer and a quality bloke.

If it did happen it would be a fairly handy opening attack at Wendouree with Johno from one end and Jaz at the other.

 

[Yab_Yab]

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any chance the ballarat redan players on here can confirm or deny the very strong rumour about jarrod allen going to wendouree this season. personally i cant believe an allen would leave redan, but im hearing this story from several sources.....

I have not heard that one as yet. But I also have not talked to many of the guys from the club of late so I do not know. It would be disapointing if that was the case as he is a quality cricketer and a quality bloke.

If it did happen it would be a fairly handy opening attack at Wendouree with Johno from one end and Jaz at the other.

 

[Scimitar 618]

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any chance the ballarat redan players on here can confirm or deny the very strong rumour about jarrod allen going to wendouree this season. personally i cant believe an allen would leave redan, but im hearing this story from several sources.....

First I have heard of it but can't see it happening I think Jarrod will be at the two swords this year

 

[Scimitar 618]

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any chance the ballarat redan players on here can confirm or deny the very strong rumour about jarrod allen going to wendouree this season. personally i cant believe an allen would leave redan, but im hearing this story from several sources.....

First I have heard of it but can't see it happening I think Jarrod will be at the two swords this year

 

[shakes_7]

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any chance the ballarat redan players on here can confirm or deny the very strong rumour about jarrod allen going to wendouree this season. personally i cant believe an allen would leave redan, but im hearing this story from several sources.....

Did you hear this rumour from Jarrod himself?

i highly doubt that he would go to Wendouree this season, as he needs a shoulder operation to repair damage to his tendon in his left shoulder (you know, that one that flings the ball at your head).

that being said, i am aware that he would consider a move away from Redan in the near future as he feels his batting is not taken seriously by older members of the club. He has a good relationship with Dash as does Simon and if Dash tried to get both of them to Wendouree a lot of people may be surprised that they could leave Redan.

Also since playing football with Lexton with Johnno they have become quite good friends and that may help Wendourees cause a lot.

 

[shakes_7]

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any chance the ballarat redan players on here can confirm or deny the very strong rumour about jarrod allen going to wendouree this season. personally i cant believe an allen would leave redan, but im hearing this story from several sources.....

Did you hear this rumour from Jarrod himself?

i highly doubt that he would go to Wendouree this season, as he needs a shoulder operation to repair damage to his tendon in his left shoulder (you know, that one that flings the ball at your head).

that being said, i am aware that he would consider a move away from Redan in the near future as he feels his batting is not taken seriously by older members of the club. He has a good relationship with Dash as does Simon and if Dash tried to get both of them to Wendouree a lot of people may be surprised that they could leave Redan.

Also since playing football with Lexton with Johnno they have become quite good friends and that may help Wendourees cause a lot.

 

[garnoo]

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After those comments, Shakes, I would expect Dash to be on the phone straight away!! ... if the call hasnt already been made.

Understand what you are saying about Jarrods batting, had that conversation with him myself. But I think what he thinks we think is actually different to what we do think. I think......

Anyway the loss of those two blokes (or either one of them) would set the club back years!

and from a personal note, sincerely hope it doesnt happen.

 

[garnoo]

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After those comments, Shakes, I would expect Dash to be on the phone straight away!! ... if the call hasnt already been made.

Understand what you are saying about Jarrods batting, had that conversation with him myself. But I think what he thinks we think is actually different to what we do think. I think......

Anyway the loss of those two blokes (or either one of them) would set the club back years!

and from a personal note, sincerely hope it doesnt happen.

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

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Razza,

Have the rules changed without anyone being told? Of course you can pay players in the BCA. All you need to do is inform the BCA Pennant committee and get their approval.

Steve.

Hmmm .... my humblest apologies. I was always of the belief that only the coach could receive remuneration. Not to say that I wasn't aware of people getting paid ...... just that I thought it was always "under the table". How accommodating are the pennant committee ?

RE: The Crouchs, I think playing in the 3's last year was the right thing to do. I know age is irrelevant with those talented enough, but I would think that at ages 15 and 13, they need to do their apprenticeships first, enjoy their junior cricket first and foremost and not get burnt by getting put too high up too early.

Their 3's stats last year are below:

http://fapomatic.com/show.php?loc=0829&f=stats_3.jpg

I think they could do with at least another year in the 3's.