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Batting order.

Hey guys,
I open bowling for my club team and I get to bat at #9 or 10, I feel that I am being sent way down the order compared to the batsman who go above me. other thing is that I take time to settle down, but the thing is when I go to bat in there, I have to start hitting because of death overs.

so my question is how can I convince my captain/coach, so that they send me up the order.
Any suggestions will be really helpful
Thank you
A.V
 
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Hi, I had the same problem. I open the bowling for my team and I used to be forced to bat at number 11. To start with I didn't mind too much, since I was opening the bowling I thought it was fair, however I started to get annoyed - especially when new players were coming in above me.

I move up a place in the order when I bat well. I first got out of #11 by batting for the last 6 overs in a 20 over game, and just hitting simple singles to keep the other batsman on strike. Then in each progressive game I've played well and moved further up each time.

You can ask your captain/coach to either let you bat further up during a practice game/friendly so they can see how you perform - ask them to give you a chance to show them what you can do. Or you just hope that you get a longer chance at number 11 and get moved up from there like I did.
 
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hey mate,

although you say you would like to bat up the order, you have to ask, "do the batsmen above me deserve their position?"

if the answer is no... speak 2 you coach... if that doesnt work, unfortunately you will have to prove yourself... by playing the right innings for each game...

i am an opening bowler that bats 3-5, partly because the captain listens, partly because i deserve the spot, but most of all because i proved myself
 
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thanks guys for the useful suggestions. good news is that I might get to bat up the order because I bought home the Win with my captain for the team' and they also discussed about my batting order at that time.
i'll let u guys know whether I got to bat up the order.
thanks
A.V
 
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champ...potential all-rounders are a big problem in teams; sometimes they think they are better than they really are and thats when problems have occured from within teams. Chat to coachy and see what he says
 
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Hi,
As per your comment i can say that if your team needs that you do bat at down order thats its for team but if you have take time for settle down then you have to come in middle order then only you can bat well....
 
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micoach;363130 said:
It's hard as captain because someone has to bat at 11 don't they?

I wrote about it from a captain's perspective here: Why everyone wants to bat in the middle order (and what to do about it) | Cricket coaching, fitness and tips
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I'm not fussed on batting at No.11. I sometimes I get the chance to bat 10 in front of blokes that are statistically better than me, but they often come out to the middle with good intentions of seeing out the remaining overs in a productive manner but then lose the plot and start swining the bat in the air trying to hit 4's and 6's and invariably get caught with balls/overs still to be had, which I think is a worse situation.

In answer to the general point, surely you'll be allocated a place in the order on merit and as you have said if you and your captain put in a good partnership you might find yourself put up the order?
 
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another issue at club level, at least it seems to be in the UK, is that most guys play cricket for enjoyment, not so much for winning. its nice if you win, but it seems to be more of a social hobby than about the competition. so nobody wants to stand in the field all day and not bowl, then bat in the tail. so if you get to bowl, generally youll bat lower down the order to compensate. very few players open the bowling AND open the batting, even if they are good enough to do both.

its kind of fair, given that everyone gets their chance to play some proper cricket and not just make up numbers in the field and then get tasked with filling out the score card when their side is batting. some players dont mind just making up the numbers, some good batsmen dont mind batting at the end of the middle order and bowling a few overs as well.

personally im probably a 2nd change bowler, and id be most comfortable batting between 5 and 7. which is probably about fair. if i was the opening bowler then i wouldnt expect to get played above number 8. if i did it would be a bonus.

my personal thoughts are that anything i do, i do to win or be the best at it. i just have a competitive nature. however unless youre a long standing and influential member of your club you cant change views from social to competitive. if your club is competitive then its a different story, you should be played on merit and positioned wherever is most appropriate to give your team the best chance of winning.

one other thing is that it seems the opening batsmen at club level are rarely the best batsmen. most teams seem to put out average guys, or sometimes even their worst batsmen first to try and waste a few of the best bowlers overs. bearing in mind most club sides dont know too much about each other, so you wouldnt know if the openers were good or not until they faced deliveries. the best batsmen seem to come in between 3 and 6. in the game i played at the weekend the 2 openers got ducks, as did 10, and 11. 3 hit a ton, and 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 hit the rest of the runs (all contributing with double figures), with the strongest partnerships formed between 3 and 5 and then 3 and 6. as the weaker side we then sent out our 2 best batsmen to open and pretty much set the order in terms of ability hoping to form some partnerships to chase a huge total.
 
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Hey guys,
Thanks a lot for your suggestions and ideas. Now I have good news and some OK news: Good news is that I got to bat up the order for my state U19 team and I was able to do really good work (scored 54* & 36* and I average 50+) out of 5 games. My performance and confidence is increasing really well and my team believes in me.
Now coming to the OK news: I still haven't batted in higher order yet with my club team. But next weekend, my team's missing on 1 of the middle order batsman so I might get chance to prove myself by my batting.
Wish me Luck,
A.V
 
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good luck to you.

well this year because of injury i have chosen not to play to save my body. (lots of thanks to liz for that). so i have moved from playing rep to selection for my own side as i am the normal captain. we play very competitively because of reputation amongst the grade. our side is generally considered one of the worst sides through history, but we either won the championship or been runners up for the past five years. we always try our best to absolutely thrash the side that through history has a 90% win rate. its just our region and the different clubs that create this and things have turned really professional since we have just sent away 10+ people to queensland lower grades in hope of higher selection (one from our club should be batting about no.3 for queensland by next season if nothing goes wrong).

which means that i as selector have my job cut out because i have to proffesionally select a side of people that just want to have fun. so i have to balance both winning and letting everyone have a go.

i arrange all my players to fit into 11 positions, so thats 25 players squeazed in ontop of one another. i have players playing for each others position, not just for a spot.

for example i have one spinners spot. that is normally my spot, but this season i have to find my own replacement. what usually happens with rep selection is the best 4 or 5 bowlers get picked. that could be 3 spinners and 2 pace bowlers. i dont like that idea. i have 1 all rounder, 3 pace and one spinner. if any of the pace or the spinner is an all rounder then that is a bonus. so i dont have a bowler playing for their selection in the side. i have them bowling for their selection for their spot.
a spinner can only get into the side by outperforming the other spinner currently in the side, unless there is no more pace bowlers or they are simply to good to ignore both (which doesnt happen at this level). an opener can only get into the side ahead of another opener, unless they show the initiative to bat elsewhere by playing that position in c grade or some other grade. i wouldnt pick a person that normally bats 4 to open. but then i also leave one opening position up for grabs in a rotation basis. i have one player come up the order who thinks they can, and that open opening position player go down to their spot to see if i can find someone who does well there. i value my first three positions because we have a fragile tailend and have discovered its best to get the runs on the board quickly at the start of an innings for us so that the tail can bat slower without the pressure.

every player comes to me if they want to play elsewhere. if we have a big game coming up i say no, if its against an easy team or we dont need the points then i say maybe depending on other players. im the strategist as well apparently. i always tell the players who they are playing against for a spot and why. that way they know that if they are trying to break into the side, but they are playing at no.3, they have to change their game and try another position because our no.3 wouldnt be dropped if he was dead.

i hope that explains my selection theory that players are playing for spots, not a game.

when it comes to tail enders i play it depending on the game situation. i specialise in the one day games, which i do everything for. i dont play many unlimited overs games. so in 40 over games i like to swap and change a bit.

when i play i was always a number 11 or 10, depending on who else was playing. but i averaged 22 one season with two 50s under my belt. i still didnt move myself up the order though, because i was able to hold the innings together. my no.11 can always wield the bat decently and at least block. those who cant bat at 9 or 10. the no.11 has the responsibility of not getting out, otherwise the innings is over and no more runs can be scored. so i batted there because i know i can turn the strike over and keep the batsman on strike.

BUT if all the batsman are out, and its just tailenders batting i would come in 7 or 8 and play the batsman roll. thats what i do now with my team as off field captain.

also for T20s, as im still playing this year i bat at 6 because i do well at hit and giggle forms of things.

i only got that way by luck and performance though. i used to be banished down there when i wasnt captain because i was a crap batsman. but only because i never got the chance. i had one chance when the side collapsed and i had to bat with our no.3 for half an innings. i ended up with 16 runs off about 80 balls. that showed my potential.

you just have to wait for your time to come, or become the captain yourself. bat well in the nets. field well (captains often see good fielding as good batting, dont ask me why). and simply try your best at everything. take every opportunity. be nice to your captain and coach/selector or whatever you call them over there.

this is my line up for our first game this weekend (names excluded):

1. Second best batsman, averaged 40 last season with two 70s
2. Rotational Spot. Regular opener this time. Fourth best batsman by figures. Not the best but capable. Bowls medium pace when down on a bowler. Good bowler. Bowling a couple of overs this week.
3. Our best batsman the club has ever had. Averaged 90.57 last year at no.3. only game hes playing this year due to state commitments.
4. Our poorest fulltime batsman. Averages 26. Plays socially. (A position for you maybe?)
5. Our third best batsman by stats. Vice captain. Part time bowler and I get a few overs out of him.
6. This is also a rotational position. This week I am playing the no.10 full time bowler here. He showed potential last year and the batsman that is normally here (or at no.4) is being sent down the order to strengthen the tail. Second wicket-keeper.
7. The all rounder. Can open or bat at 4. Playing him at 7 this week to give other players a go as he fields in close and receives a lot of balls, bowls and bats high in the order.
8. First of the bowlers. He opens the bowling and can hit some boundaries. Vital bowler and gets a few wickets a game. A slogger too. Inconsistent. Normally at 10 but I feel the run rate is too slow without him higher.
9. Another all rounder. Mostly batsman. Getting about 3 overs bowling out of him. Wicket-keeper so gets a lot of the action on field, then takes off gloves to bowl some middle overs as he is a wicket taker.
10. Spin Bowler. First game this week and from what I've seen he's not too bad a bat. (Not to my standard bowling but :p)
11. Other opening bowler. Good bowler with great economy. Absolutely terrible bat. Reminds me of Glenn McGrath or Chris Martin. Except only a fraction as good. Averaged 0.6 last season. I'm putting him down here because he obviously deserves it. Also just as a joke.

From that you should see something that you can do up the order. if you want to bat up there you have to have a reason. there is no use putting you up there if you are only going to hold up the run rate or get out straight away and interrupt partnerships.

but same said if you are good enough then it is a waste for the team. surely they would prefer to win and go for drinks afterward?
 
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FDCC;372252 said:
thats just unlucky mate. prove yourself like a did i open the bowling and bat at 4 now
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Hey Guys,
At last, my coach and captain decided that i'm being wasted by batting at #7, because my captain(Current U.S.A U19 palyer) was bowling me in the nets and noticed that I can play him nicely. so when he was discussing about people batting up the order, he bought up my name and said that I should get to bat up the order :D
Surprisingly, next game they told me to open the innings for the team!
Sadly, I got out out caught behind when driving hard on a half volley. I scored 10 runs. My mates said I batted well and said it's my first time opening the batting, so it happens.
So that's the story.
Hope I get to open again,
but do you guys have any tips for opening the batting? I wanna use my footwork more positively bcuz I noticed I get frozen footed when I start the innings.
Any tips and opinions are always welcome.
Thank you
A.V
 
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