Challenger to the Duckworth Lewis Method and the Jayadevan Method

Which rain rule method do you think is the best?

  • Yank method

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  • All of them are good

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Re: Challenger to the Duckworth Lewis Method and the Jayadevan Method

Yeah, it's probably too late to change it Yash.
 
Re: Challenger to the Duckworth Lewis Method and the Jayadevan Method

We've now got in touch with Srinivas Bhogle(brother of the famous commentator Harsha Bhogle) who has written NUMEROUS articles on D/L, Jayadevan and D/L vs Jayadevan...We've also submitted our method along with the computation and the other 2 concepts which we've talked about, one of them being NRR calculation.

Hoping for a review/feedback from him in a few days.

I must say after viewing our comparative analysis, he showed keen interest in our method.
 
Re: Challenger to the Duckworth Lewis Method and the Jayadevan Method

Copyright immediately.

At the very least Duckworth/Lewis are paid just for purchasing the proffesional version of their product that gives their proper figures. They would most likely charge to use it on the larger scale as well as they would be stupid not to.

Copyright your work immediately. If somebody takes a fancy to it and manage to get their hands on it then you won't have a Yank method anymore.

The Jayadevan method rose up in popularity due to their potrayl in the media. As you've already done, keep emailing journalists for a start.
 
Re: Challenger to the Duckworth Lewis Method and the Jayadevan Method

Boris;405731 said:
Copyright immediately.

At the very least Duckworth/Lewis are paid just for purchasing the proffesional version of their product that gives their proper figures. They would most likely charge to use it on the larger scale as well as they would be stupid not to.

Copyright your work immediately. If somebody takes a fancy to it and manage to get their hands on it then you won't have a Yank method anymore.

The Jayadevan method rose up in popularity due to their potrayl in the media. As you've already done, keep emailing journalists for a start.

Thanks Boris for the idea...yes we're trying to copyright ASAP...and we'll soon be emailing journalists to get popularity..
 
Re: Challenger to the Duckworth Lewis Method and the Jayadevan Method

Copyright / patent etc, if you have the belief in it.

The patent needs to be solid, and cover exact things in the formula you won't want to be released probably
eg

"The use of a mathematical system involving X to calculate the number of runs required ..."
It might be worth seeking some professional advice, but whatever you do, keep the method to yoruselves.
 
Re: Challenger to the Duckworth Lewis Method and the Jayadevan Method

Yes we're considering Copyright/Patent and have asked experts about it. But we're actually in touch with Srinivas Bhogle(brother of the famous commentator Harsha Bhogle) who has written NUMEROUS articles on D/L, Jayadevan and D/L vs Jayadevan and I must say he is guiding us really well.

We're also adding a couple of interesting dimensions to our method which will take a little time(say about 15 days) and also writing a separate documentation on Twenty20 cricket comparative analysis which we'll publish on our webpage on its done.
 
Re: Challenger to the Duckworth Lewis Method and the Jayadevan Method

Hello everyone,

We've added 2 new concepts to our method which we've tentatively named as:
1) Sliding Scale Concept
2) Elasticity Concept

So our advanced version should give fair results even in extreme circumstances. This version will be updated soon in our webpage. We're also almost done with a separate comparative analysis for T20 which will be published soon.

Keep your suggestions and criticisms coming, they're most helpful! :)
 
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Re: Challenger to the Duckworth Lewis Method and the Jayadevan Method

Hey everyone,

Check out our newly launched website at:
Yank's Model

The website contains our Advanced Method(the earlier web page had the basic one) with a lot of new concepts introduced while calculating scores. So send us you fresh feedback! :)

We had this ready about 15 days ago but our IT guy was out of town...so it took a while to get the site launched!
 
Re: Challenger to the Duckworth Lewis Method and the Jayadevan Method

Hello guys....this is ANKIT...the joint creator of the 'Yank model'....

This 1 is the most latest comparison 4 u to evaluate........


In the Friends Provident T20 2nd semi final between Nottinghamshire(Notts) and Somerset played at Southampton on the 14th Aug 2010, Somerset batting first scored 182/5 in 20 overs. It rained in the interval and left Notts only 16 overs to bat in which the D/L which used in the match set a target of 152 runs. It rained once again in the 13 overs in which Notts were 117/4 in 13 overs. D/L target for 4 wickets at the 13 overs was 121 runs. So Somerset won by 3 runs.

16 over Target
Yank Method 161
D/L Method 152*
VJD Method 160

*D/L method gives an irrationally low target.


13 over
for 4 wkts Target
Yank Method 124
D/L Method 121
VJD Method 116

Summary
Result
Yank Method Somerset won by 6runs
D/L Method Somerset won by 3runs
VJD Method Nottinghamshire won by 2 runs*

*VJD’s deflated target is because of the sluggish fall of wickets. At this point of the match, VJD’s fall of wickets is sluggish till the fall of the 5th wicket, then there is a major impact on the target on the fall of the sixth wicket. On the other hand if the team was 117/0 the target would have not changed even by a run(the difference would be in just decimals) which is hard to fathom.

And you can just see what a major impact this flaw has made to the match. If VJD’s method would have been used, Nottinghamshire would have won the semi-final and thus qualified for the final leaving Somerset out of the tournament which would not hav been fair at all.

I don't think the D/L method gives a low target. It seems spot on to me. It's actually a higher run rate than Somerset had achieved. Can you explain why you think it's too low?
 
Hello thewrongun,

Thanks for you reply....I must mention I really like your username! :)

D/L target of 121 is quite good. However, D/L's 16 over target of 152 is a little less. We've actually been updating our Yank model which we're almost done and we hope to have a finished product by Friday if not earlier on our website:
http://www.yankmodel.com/

Anyways, I'm putting the extract of the Somerset-Nottinghampshire match from our model which is the latest:

Example 16: In the Friends Provident T20 2nd semi final between Nottinghamshire and Somerset played at Southampton on the 14th Aug 2010, Somerset batting first scored 182/5 in 20 overs. It rained in the interval and left Nottinghamshire only 16 overs to bat in which the D/L which used in the match set a target of 152 runs. It rained once again in the 13 overs in which Nottinghamshire were 117/4 in 13 overs. D/L target for 4 wickets at the 13 overs was 121 runs. So Somerset won by 3 runs.

1
16 over Target


Target


Yank Method

156


D/L Method

152*


VJD Method

150**


*D/L method gives a low target.

**VJD follows suit.

13 over target for 4 wkts


Target


Yank Method

120


D/L Method

121


VJD Method

116


Summary


Result


Yank Method

Somerset won by 2 runs


D/L Method

Somerset won by 3 runs


VJD Method

Nottinghamshire won by 2 runs*


*VJD’s deflated target is probably because of the sluggish fall of wickets.
And you can just see what a major impact this flaw has made to the match. If VJD’s method would have been used, Nottinghamshire would have won the semi-final and thus qualified for the final leaving Somerset out of the tournament which isn’t fair.
 
I remain to be convinced, I'm afraid. Not sure how you can factor in the pace of the fall of wickets. The D/L resources remaining basis seems most reliable to me.
 
I remain to be convinced, I'm afraid. Not sure how you can factor in the pace of the fall of wickets. The D/L resources remaining basis seems most reliable to me.
So even the Yank model deals with resources remaining. We still haven't put up the details on the computation part as we've not completed the process of patenting.

Please see our new thread as we've put up our Advanced Model:
http://www.bigcricket.com/community...hallenger-to-the-duckworth-lewis-model.56882/

Again, our own website is at http://www.yankmodel.com/
 
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