CMCA- Ommies to remain in top grade

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Merlot my good man, I'm a little disappointed with your post.

I do get a little frustrated by these baffoons that consider yesteryear to be far greater than the current cricket we're seeing in the CMCA. The level of competition in the top grade (and those below) may not be as competitive as years gone by, but I see no valid reason for many to dismiss players of today by comparing them to players of a different era.
For one side to be blessed with more talent than any other doesn't qualify an opinion that the past players cast shadows on today's cricketers. The onus is on the other clubs to bring themselves up to the "foreign legion's" standard and increase the competition. Not for the detractors to simply dismiss players as lacking ability by comparison to those 10 years ago (or more).

Once upon a time we played on matting. A surface which was favourable to the bowlers for seam movement, pace and bounce. We also played on grounds that held a lot more grass than the current outfields of today making life a little harder to score runs. Add to that the 2-piece ball was used in every grade of CMCA cricket. So yes, credit to the batsman who could dominate bowling attacks.

However, we've now gone full circle. We have technology come up with cricket bats that are of a lighter weight and hit the ball further. The 4-piece ball doesn't swing around anywhere near as much as the old 2-piece after the first 10 overs. The synthetic wickets are now a favourable surface to batsmen and by my reckoning, the umpiring fraternity seem more afraid to make a decision when batsmen are hit on the pads.

So whilst I appreciate there are factors that made life harder for the batting sides 10+ years ago and some like to consider years gone by as the halcyon days of CMCA cricket, I still believe there are cricketers at a level comparable, if not, greater than the cricketers back in those days.

It's mostly about the modifications to the game to which the modern player has had to adjust - particularly bowlers.

Moreover, my opinion is that the standard of cricket today isn't superceded by it's predecessors. We've simply seen an adaptation to the new requirements as a result of the game moving towards a batsman's game and subsequently the art of bowling has now become more of an unassisted craft than it ever was.
 
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After reading my post again, I can see this being interepreted as a defence for "The Zoo" or particularly, "Murali", but I can assure you I'm merely stating a case that I disagree with the standard dropping off in the last 10 years. The game has changed completely and I see no evidence to suggest some of these players casting shadows would be any better than their counterparts in today's game.

As for the weekend. I'll float between the lush yellow pastures of Mackie Rd Res and back to the home of cricket. Tips are for the Brighton Union double. I'd personally like to see West Bentleigh sneak in as I think they'd give a better account of themselves in the big dance, but I just have a feeling they might come up short this week. Woolnough was a toss of the coin.
 
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Merlot a good drop;332894 said:
I forgot to say that the standard of CMCA cricket has dropped in the last ten years, and some of those I mentioned played against much better cricketers than a lot of the old blokes running around today.

The gold caps would have been scared to open their mouths in the old days!That will get a few jumping out of trees and twitching the keyboard!!!!


ahh that one.. the old fella saying how much better he was than everyone today. always a good one because he knows he wont have to back it up
 
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Silly question coming, but I can't find any guidance on it on the CMCA website.

What happens if day 1 is washed out in a final, is it a one dayer on sunday? or does play resort to ordinary conditions?

Would be pretty stiff to go out of a finals series as a result of a wash out. In the top 4 grades the lower ranked team defeated the higher ranked team in the ordinary season, yet, they could be knocked out of the race on weather.

Interesting
 
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keajai;333018 said:
Silly question coming, but I can't find any guidance on it on the CMCA website.

What happens if day 1 is washed out in a final, is it a one dayer on sunday? or does play resort to ordinary conditions?

Would be pretty stiff to go out of a finals series as a result of a wash out. In the top 4 grades the lower ranked team defeated the higher ranked team in the ordinary season, yet, they could be knocked out of the race on weather.

Interesting

Wash out on day one sees a one-dayer come into play, partial wash out on day one could see ordinary conditions rule apply.
Wash out on day two, bad luck, I guess you can't cater for everything.
In GF, (for the first time this season) there is a lay-day put aside so that if there is any overs "lost" on either day you can make up only the "lost" overs. This is why our GF'S are a week ahead of most comps.
Don't want the "big dance" getting rained off do we. Would have to get Kevin Bacon involved.
 
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So really if there is rain on day 1 and you are the lower ranked side, you want the whole day to rain as ordinary conditions are unlikely to bring a result, were as a one day game is!
 
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keajai;333088 said:
So really if there is rain on day 1 and you are the lower ranked side, you want the whole day to rain as ordinary conditions are unlikely to bring a result, were as a one day game is!

thank you captain obvious!!
 
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Uncle Mick,

What an eloquent reply,and it won't be the first or last time I disappoint you,and I can see why you only lasted a year as a gold cap with your wisdom compared to their dribble.

Whilst I agree with you about comparing different eras I simply pointed out that the average age particularly in Longy has risen and seen players last longer in the game.Also you confirmed my argument that it is easier with 2 piece balls better bats etc.

Also I have no idea what the zoo is ,maybe another name for gold cap park,I simply mention a handful of players and there would be many more I could think of who would lieave Murali for dead.A grandfather who has played and watched CMCA and other cricket competitions over many years has a few runs on the board to judge.

I did hook a big gold cap marlin which I knew I would because as you can judge it is a favourite past time to bait them, which they fall for every time, I can already hear the twitching of the keyboard,FFF incorrectly says I think they are better than me ,which is far from the truth as I was just a plodder who was lucky to play and have a bit of fun in the CMCA just like i am doing on this forum.

If we take ourselves too seriously like some forumsters who go to ground once you put a bit of pressure on them then we may as well give the game away.

You are a good man Uncle Mick and who knows I may bump into you at the oasis or home of cricket just look for the trench coat and dark glasses.I look forward to joining you in the double century member club one day.

Archie you will need the hot horlicks tonight in this bout of chilly weather that has rolled in for finals time.

Jimmy good to see you doing Barrack and Condeleesa's ( bad luck to those who don't like the mention )work by explain the rules.A decent website would have the rules a click away where confused players and supporters could clarify the rules they weren't sure of.

Despite the non appearance of a banner headline from the above mentioned website i see some big changes in the umpires appointments with the new boy and the keg on wheels relegated to Wooly.

Peter McGann gets a chance to push his credentials and I have no idea who Stamos is!

My local mole at the selection table has not come through with the goods ,just like the tribunal page on the website which still has no results from either this week or last week.Merlot can only belt his head against the CMCA brick wall so many times.

Until next time Merlot
 
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Just wondering if Sugar has any more tips for the weekend considering he thought Elwood would "end West Bentleigh's lucky run into the finals". Maybe he should give West a little more respect considering no other club in the 4 years West have been in Longmuir apart from E.S.B.C, have made the finals 3 times including 2 grand final appearances.
 
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Panther80;333502 said:
Just wondering if Sugar has any more tips for the weekend considering he thought Elwood would "end West Bentleigh's lucky run into the finals". Maybe he should give West a little more respect considering no other club in the 4 years West have been in Longmuir apart from E.S.B.C, have made the finals 3 times including 2 grand final appearances.

Panther, you are spot on. I underestimated you guys, but I can only make my decision based on what I know, and ANA passed you guys 4 down. Elwood's strength during the season is obviously their weakness where if the top order fails, it's game over.

Full marks to your mob, particularly Chopper, and with Union having a few blokes out or injured, you have a golden opportunity to challenge East Sandy next week.

This week I am tipping you, so don't disappoint me.
 
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CLOCKER;333065 said:
Jimmy,
The axe was certainly swung...

CLOCKER,

Please elaborate???

Merlot,

Further to your point about quality of CMCA site and tribunal updates. Did anyone actually get suspended from this weeks matches??

I was at "the Zoo" on saturday and whilst a couple of the decision were poor (too say the least) there were a couple of cases of decent that surely must have made there way to to the tribunal??
 
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Merlot a good drop;333260 said:
Uncle Mick,

What an eloquent reply,and it won't be the first or last time I disappoint you,and I can see why you only lasted a year as a gold cap with your wisdom compared to their dribble.

Whilst I agree with you about comparing different eras I simply pointed out that the average age particularly in Longy has risen and seen players last longer in the game.Also you confirmed my argument that it is easier with 2 piece balls better bats etc.

I've told you before, flattery will get you everywhere big guy.

As I alluded to earlier, the standard of batting doesn't need to be as great as years gone by. The game has seen many changes of which most have been favourable to batting. This, I believe has allowed old men like Mssrs Pitt & Phelan to stay in the top grade longer than if they were 10 years younger - or so you say. The fact the foreign legion have dominated leaves the perception they've been allowed to get by as aged citizens. I still believe this shouldn't detract from the fact there are some high quality cricketers running around the top grade.

Whilst we're on the old men, for Pitty in particular, you only have to look at where he's got his runs in the last 2 years to believe that he's riding coat tails. A century against Carnegie Sth last year and only 2 scores above 30 this year. However, what can't be evaluated is his experience and decision making as leader. And that is something you can't bottle. What he brings to the side is an ageing body, but a sharp mind. So, whilst his teammates are putting up big totals and taking enough wickets, there's always room for an old man with a very sound mind for the game to be hidden at 8 or 9 and occasionally higher. Perhaps when these sides below them can finally catch up and put the pressure on, there will come a time when performance will belie such a situation. Until such a time my guess is "The Zoo" will continue to talk him out of retirement year after year - I think he's gone around one last time more often than Johnny Farnham.

And as far as me confirming your argument, you've lost me? This debate seems to be centred around batting and I would've thought it was harder with the 2-piece ball?
 
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Uncle Mick;333553 said:
Whilst we're on the old men, for Pitty in particular, you only have to look at where he's got his runs in the last 2 years to believe that he's riding coat tails. A century against Carnegie Sth last year and only 2 scores above 30 this year. However, what can't be evaluated is his experience and decision making as leader. And that is something you can't bottle. What he brings to the side is an ageing body, but a sharp mind. So, whilst his teammates are putting up big totals and taking enough wickets, there's always room for an old man with a very sound mind for the game to be hidden at 8 or 9 and occasionally higher.

Good points Mick... there is no question as to the importance of Kim Pitt at East Sandy. Although it does make people wonder why they bothered changing the captaincy over to Duddy & Dallas over the years when Pitty was ultimately calling the shots?
 
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Completely agree. I don't think we would have won the flag under anyone else last season.

As for the lads, Anton in particular was to keep him interested. At the time he was appointed he was considering giving the game away to allow his body some rest before the footy season. Luke's was probably more to appease him. I have not seen anyone with an affinity for any club the way "Murali" cherishes his beloved ESBCCC.
 
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Jimmy Olson;333630 said:
Do you refer to the men in white Clocker?

Presumably so. How does everyone rate the umps? Seems like a few had bad days on the weekend.
Steve Bott was pretty impressive last week. Was seen and not heard. Can't ask any more from an umpire. Would like to see him in the top grade.

I'd back Mossy, H.Stamos, Harris, Bott & Vasil as the umps I've had in the past 2 years. I've heard Missen goes alright too....
 
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I might sneak in disguise in the sun glasses and trench coat to get the odd scoop or two.If anyone knows of the location just in case it is not a banner headline on B & C 's website please let me know as I think it could be worth blowing my cover to mingle with the BBQ plate backs mob.
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Merlot, you should have been at the BBQ meeting held earlier in the season. I hear Barack unleashed his tirade of invective upon the hapless BBQ mob.He was totally unimpressed that a match was called off due to wet weather, when the rest of the matches proceeded.He then spent the next hour explaining to the glazed BBQ lot that even if both skippers refuse to play, it is upto the BBQ’s to convince them to hang around until tea and see what develops. ‘The CMCA plays when other competitions do not; that is what distinguishes us from the Turf competitions’ he barked. One of the umpires involved in that particular match happened to mention that the two skippers in question were men renowned for their stubborness, and to try and convince them otherwise was an exercise in futility; not that they did not try. The glare and the adjusting of the glasses answered his question. Another fifteen minutes on negotiating techniques followed. My source informs that thankfully role playing was not enforced, probably due to time constraints. I wonder who would have role played as the respective skippers? As for the secrecy and refusal to be open about what is occuring within the tribunal system, this reflects poorly upon the competition. The three entries in the tribunal site show that one player was suspended for one match for equipment abuse.The BBQ in charge was hauled over the coals for not adding another charge of abusive language, (which was allegedly heard) as this player was considered a serial offender, and should have received 3 matches according to a high level Party official. Pretty hard to charge someone for something that the BBQ did not hear. Again he was hauled over the coals for not paying attention. Another speech was then made highlighting that players swearing was unacceptable and that it should be stamped out. No doubt a noble cause, however the reality is that the BBQ’s will end up reporting 5-10 players each match and then probably get dropped when they end up reporting one of the untouchables in the competition, as happened to one current BBQ a few years ago. In the second case the player involved was suspended but interestingly never got to plead his case before the tribunal. Star Chamber is alive and well. The final case was what in effect was an internal matter for a club which somehow the CMCA got involved.If the club decides to suspend a player them so be it, so why is the CMCA involved and why was it placed on the website? Was a complaint made by ANA? If yes then why did the tribunal not deal with it? What was the nature of the offence? It must have been fairly serious to get two matches.Was someone racially vilified? Who knows hence the speculation. Now we have the laughable situation where players have been supposedly reported and hearings have been allegedly held, and nothing is mentioned.Why? On the surface it appears that there have been far fewer reports this year, but the reality is that the no one apart from the players involved and the Executive. Perhaps they want this perception out there which suggests that there are no problems. Appearances are more important than the truth. In any event Merlot it does not seem your type of surrounding...........
 
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Panther80;333502 said:
Just wondering if Sugar has any more tips for the weekend considering he thought Elwood would "end West Bentleigh's lucky run into the finals". Maybe he should give West a little more respect considering no other club in the 4 years West have been in Longmuir apart from E.S.B.C, have made the finals 3 times including 2 grand final appearances.

The whisper is the Union boys are a bit concerned about playing West. Something about not knowing which west bentleigh team would turn up! West are a very tough team to beat on their day!

My money is on union out in straight sets!!
 
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Uncle Mick;333553 said:
I've told you before, flattery will get you everywhere big guy.

As I alluded to earlier, the standard of batting doesn't need to be as great as years gone by. The game has seen many changes of which most have been favourable to batting. This, I believe has allowed old men like Mssrs Pitt & Phelan to stay in the top grade longer than if they were 10 years younger - or so you say. The fact the foreign legion have dominated leaves the perception they've been allowed to get by as aged citizens. I still believe this shouldn't detract from the fact there are some high quality cricketers running around the top grade.

Whilst we're on the old men, for Pitty in particular, you only have to look at where he's got his runs in the last 2 years to believe that he's riding coat tails. A century against Carnegie Sth last year and only 2 scores above 30 this year. However, what can't be evaluated is his experience and decision making as leader. And that is something you can't bottle. What he brings to the side is an ageing body, but a sharp mind. So, whilst his teammates are putting up big totals and taking enough wickets, there's always room for an old man with a very sound mind for the game to be hidden at 8 or 9 and occasionally higher. Perhaps when these sides below them can finally catch up and put the pressure on, there will come a time when performance will belie such a situation. Until such a time my guess is "The Zoo" will continue to talk him out of retirement year after year - I think he's gone around one last time more often than Johnny Farnham.

And as far as me confirming your argument, you've lost me? This debate seems to be centred around batting and I would've thought it was harder with the 2-piece ball?


mick.. some stats re pitty this year:

average of 42.8..
43* v elwood coming in at 3
40* v bentleigh uniting coming in at 5
30* v mackie came in at about 5/150
30* v bentleigh ana
30 v omega opening

u cant argue that hes not doing his job as a batsman, good to have in ur team because he rarely fails when he has overs to bat and bats smart.
its not test cricket where u need to amass scores of 500 so 30s and 40s with a deep batting line up are what is needed

b) phelan is not that old
c) union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, union are out of the finals, da da da da da da da da da da da
 
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