CMCA- Ommies to remain in top grade

[VASS]

Re: CMCA- Ommies to remain in top grade

My name is John Vasil or Vass as I am known to some.I put my hand up to umpire this year and have been umpiring Woolonough Grade. I just wish to express my disgust and f****n outrage at the treatment by the rep of the CMCA Umpires Association. I umpired all season in Woolonough which was an enjoyable experience. I was fortunate to umpire a lot of good games of cricket and meet a number of very good people from various clubs. I have enjoyed the company of a number of players from clubs I would not have been exposed to in the normal course of a season ie Hampton United,Highett West, East Sandringham,Edithvale Aspendale,Southside, Benteligh ANA, Brighton Central, Kingston Heath and Omega.

At the time I volunteered I made it very clear to the powers to be that I would not be able to attend a lot of the meetings for a number of business and personal reasons. This was accepted and if it meant that I umpired at whatever level they saw fit I would be me more than happy to accept it.For the record I have been to 1 meeting this year.

I was lucky to get a an E grade Semi Final a few weeks ago, however never got a gig in the Prelim Final.Fair enough no problem with the call.I was still recovering from triggering Des and his comments that "you could not wait to give out" ringing in my ears.You broke my heart Des.

I saw Frank Robinson during the finals rounds and he never said anything to me about any umpiring issues so I took as the experienced guys got the nod.Fair enough..

A few years ago I gave Phil Arnold an undertaking that I would always help him out with CMCA juniors with respect to umpiring, and I have I kept to this promise. I have put my hand up and umpired now for a few seasons,as do a number of other members of varioud clubs.The kids are a non negotiable in my eyes.

Today being 14th March, we were rained out at Keely Park in the Under 14's at 10.20am. Since I had ASSUMED that I did not have a game I went to Mackie to help out with the preparations of the Woolnogh Final.

F*** me if two hours later Phil O'Callaghan does not show up abusing the crap out of me for not being at Centenary Park, in front of the Kingston Heath Captain and a player from Moorabbin West: Quote if "you came to the f***** meetings you would know.

I pointed out to F***** Phil that no one had told me I was umpiring, and that as of 7.30am on the 14th March nothing had been updated on the website.What a f***** shock that is. He then threw his head back and barked at me well are you umpiring or not.With ten minutes notice and a couple of cans under the belt, the answer was F*** NO. He stormed off muttering something under his breath.
As far as I am concerned Phil and Phil and whoever the f*** is involved can stick this up their collective asses. I do not appreciate being barked at from some f***** lacky who cannot get their collective f***** act together.

 

[Merlot a good drop]

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Johhny Boy,

The BBQ mob are in a shambles and if Barrack and his inefficient mob updated their website or knew how to pick up the phone you would be in the know.

Who is running the BBQ mob Frank Robinson ,Phil O'Callaghan or Joe the camera man?Clocker where is Robbo's influence here?

You were obviously not invited to the Le Page Park hilton for the glittering awards ceremony and as a consequence obviously didn't know your appointment.I am not sure what the problem was as even Ray Charles could have told you and Freddy the blind miner there would be no play today, so what was the urgency of getting from A to B ,or was that B to A?

Unfortunately my direct involvement at a club level no longer exists but those of you who still do such as Uncle Mick,Sugar,all those gold caps if they haven't been frightened off, and even B could get their secretary to tell Barrack,Condelezza ( who I believe is still doing some back ground work ) and Hilary to get off their collective back sides and do something.

The CMCA is turning into a joke with little or no leadership and as the clubs appoint these people it is up to you people in the clubs to demand the answers.

With no play today maybe Vass's remarks could stir up a bit of debate but Johhny boy just watch the language Ham & Cheese was sin binned for less we think, and we don't want the forum to turn blue and lose it's reputation as a bit of fun social inter action with the guessing game of who's who in the zoo and who has double identities , with one Buddy Bighead,one Merlot and surely there is only one Uncle Mick and Clocker as they threw away the mould after creating those two fine gentleman.

By the way Uncle Mick what is syntax?

Until next time Merlot as I get over another poor Go Dees effort which could mean a long year in the long room in the tweed jacket with leather elbow patches!

Archie ( I hope that is not being too familiar ) time for the Horlicks!

 

[Merlot a good drop]

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Took the Bemmer out for a run today and slipped into the oasis to check if Vass was still hot under the collar even with the persistent showers but couldn't find him.Thought I saw B but not sure through the dark glasses.

Was a bit surprised to see the mobile sight screen and Big Mac in the navy blue tops when I thought the BBQ mob were in the surrender white colours this year.Did a drive by the lake but couldn't make out whether Vass had been given a reprieve and re instated for the water polo match there.

Finally got down to the home of cricket and mingled with a good sized crowd to see the sky blues having a bat and had lost a few wickets with cheeks looking a little proppy to me.The canteen was in full swing doing a roaring trade and the thought crossed my mind whether the gold cap park was even open and doing a similiar trade.I did notice the two BBQ newbies in the all white colours of the club which left me terribly confused as to if the BBQ mob actually have a uniform, uniform!

Saw a few forumsters among the crowd but wasn't too sure if there were any double identities,or just special singular ones that would get Bruce McAvaney excited.

Took the usual trip to the website tonight to see if Condelezza ( former Secretay of State ) had done any updating but as per normal no cigar.Jimmy's Missen statement didn't even appear with a volume one due to the rain so if I survive long enough tonight I could get an update before Jack Bauer finishes at mid night.

May need some of Archie's ( mmmmm ) horlicks to keep me going through the night as I await the official press release from the white house.

Until next time Merlot

 

[Sugar]

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I know we give the CMCA a bit of stick on some matters, but what a masterstroke in setting up a reserve day this season! Just to clarify how the inclement weather rule seems to work, I will use the E grade final between ANA and Omega as an example. Omega made 9/103 off 51 overs. On Saturday, they will bat 6 more overs, leaving ANA 57 overs to chase Omega's overall score. Like any normal 72/65 over game, if ANA makes the runs, they win. If not, Omega wins.

This won't matter in F & G grades, as Kingston Heath and Moorabbin West have already sewn up these respective grades. However their Woolnough battle already sees the Heath at 6/171. I reckon they already have one hand on promotion.

As for Longy, West Bentleigh have about 15 or so overs to build in their 3/61. If they can get the score to 170+, we could see an interesting climax with East Sandy having about 55 overs to get the runs.

 

[Uncle Mick]

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Now, now Sugar. Before you go singing the praises of the CMCA, it isn't that cut & dried in the top grade. It seems everyone is still up in the air about what the exact requirements are for either side to be considered Premiers in season 08/09. I believe there is a meeting tomorrow night to bring clarity to this. Quite a farcical situation for all involved.

An interesting scenario in the 2nd grade. Schwarze has got himself to 49*, but has to start again and blast runs in the remaining overs to set a target for MWCC to chase. Surely there's a disadvantage in having a week's rest as opposed to getting settled before having a crack....? Whilst we can applaud the CMCA's intiative to have a reserve day, there seems very little method in the madness it has created for some.

Kudos too, to the Mackie faithful whom recruited a neighbour with access to the tennis courts which resulted in them having 3 soppers soaking the water off the pitch and a blower. Was very entertaining to say the least and allowed the game to continue for longer than most had anticipated.

And lastly, to those who've been super critical of "gold cap park". Might be time to ease up. The president made it clear they did not want to host a Prelim Final or Grand Final. It seems Phil "Why the long face" Cox had a rather threatening inflection when insisting that gold cap park will host a Grand Final and will open their facilities to those involved and interested in attending. One has to wonder why a club like Highett West whom have similar facilities just up the road couldn't be allocated a game. It's no secret to the CMCA we're a struggling club and could have done with the extra revenue from a couple of days hosting the grand final.

 

[Uncle Mick]

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I know we give the CMCA a bit of stick on some matters, but what a masterstroke in setting up a reserve day this season! Just to clarify how the inclement weather rule seems to work, I will use the E grade final between ANA and Omega as an example. Omega made 9/103 off 51 overs. On Saturday, they will bat 6 more overs, leaving ANA 57 overs to chase Omega's overall score. Like any normal 72/65 over game, if ANA makes the runs, they win. If not, Omega wins.

I probably should read your post properly before replying. I left the Woolnough game with the belief that Kingston will bat out their 65 overs next week and MWCC get the remaining overs (58, I think?) to chase down the target. Has this now been amended to both sides batting the same amount of overs? Again, with the uncertainties. Sounds like a complete farce.

 

[The Mentalist]

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I know we give the CMCA a bit of stick on some matters, but what a masterstroke in setting up a reserve day this season! Just to clarify how the inclement weather rule seems to work, I will use the E grade final between ANA and Omega as an example. Omega made 9/103 off 51 overs. On Saturday, they will bat 6 more overs, leaving ANA 57 overs to chase Omega's overall score. Like any normal 72/65 over game, if ANA makes the runs, they win. If not, Omega wins.

This won't matter in F & G grades, as Kingston Heath and Moorabbin West have already sewn up these respective grades. However their Woolnough battle already sees the Heath at 6/171. I reckon they already have one hand on promotion.

As for Longy, West Bentleigh have about 15 or so overs to build in their 3/61. If they can get the score to 170+, we could see an interesting climax with East Sandy having about 55 overs to get the runs.

Sug,
fair comment about the CMCA implementing a spare day, but don't sit on the fence, as there are 95% of the punters out there during this weekend that could not explain the rule.
Why should the higher placed sides be disadvantaged in a run chase, are they using the ''ordinary conditions'' rule anymore or has that been abolished.
I would say that most games lost more than 1 hour's play.
Was there any documentation sent out to the participating clubs relating to any finals rule changes?
Merlot my man, keep up the good work, but watch out for those sneaky forumsters, who are out there trying to catch you.
Your comment about the umpires was spot on, different colours for different grades, or do they just grab the cleanest uniform from the top drawer.
UM's comment about the boys at the bowling green was spot on, a great effort by some people to get the wicket dry in order for play to go on.
Perhaps its time that all clubs have the appropriate equipment to deal with these issues better, a couple of super soaker rollers, a air blower, and a couple of squegies, should be on every clubs agenda for next season.

UM, totally agree with you regarding ground allocations, the golden one's have had their share of finals and if they don't want to host them in the proper manner without whingeing, then give it to clubs like HW who would welcome the opportunity.

 

[Bottsy]

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This won't matter in F & G grades, as Kingston Heath and Moorabbin West have already sewn up these respective grades. However their Woolnough battle already sees the Heath at 6/171. I reckon they already have one hand on promotion.

Interesting comment Sug, by your theory Kingston Heath will only face two more overs (they've faced 59) and will make a max. 190 and then Moorabbin West will have 60 overs to make that on a dry and much quicker ground next week.

Don't think it's quite sewn up just yet.

It was quite strange to watch the Heath block out they're last six overs for about two runs. Hard to understand really.

 

[Sugar]

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For those who may not be be as educated on the ruling, this was supplied to the Secretaries of ALL participating clubs last week by the CMCA. If the players of the participating finals teams are not aware of this, then they should look at their own club and not the CMCA - however it would have probably been wise for the CMCA to put this on their website as well.

I think all clubs would like to see a result in a grand final, rather than seeing the higher placed side win by default.


The intended application of By Law 4.4.3.5 is to allow the
grand finals to have two innings of either 72 overs
(Longmuir Shield) or 65 overs (other grades) to be played
to normal completion.

Below are some scenarios and what will occur to ensure
the playing of a full game.

1. If either day 1 or day 2 has bad weather so as to
prevent any play at all, then play will continue on the
following saturday, 21st March 2009.
(This applies to both heat and rain)

2. The normal playing conditions apply for any time lost,
up to one hour.

3. If more than one hour is lost on day 1, then ordinary
conditions (By Law 4.4.5) will not apply, and the game
will stop at 6 PM, and the innings will be completed
on the second playing day. There will be no loss of
overs at the changeover of innings. The second team
batting, will continue on the second day until 6 PM.
If however the umpires believe that there is the
possibility of a result, a game may proceed until 7 PM
to overcome the necessity of returning on the next
saturday. If the game cannot be completed, the number
of overs will be completed on the reserve day,
commencing at the normal starting time.

4. If more than one hour is lost on day 2, then ordinary
conditions (By Law 4.4.5) will not apply, and the game
will continue until 6 PM. If the umpires believe that there
may be a result, the game may continue on until 7 PM.
If the game cannot be finished then the number of overs
will be completed on the reserve day, commencing at
the normal starting time.

5. If less than 72 overs (Longmuir Shield) or 65 overs (all
other grades) are bowled on the first two days (Saturday
and Sunday) then the game will revert to ordinary
conditions on the following saturday, and 72 or 65 overs
will be bowled on that reserve day. There will be 3 overs
deducted for a change of innings during the reserve day.

6. The tea breaks will be taken at the standard time,
3.15 PM or 3.30 PM. Drinks breaks will be as normal.

7. By Law 4.4.1.3 will not apply for the grand finals unless
play is not possible on the first two days, in which case
a one day game will be played on the following saturday

 

[TheFieldingSpecialist]

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I probably should read your post properly before replying. I left the Woolnough game with the belief that Kingston will bat out their 65 overs next week and MWCC get the remaining overs (58, I think?) to chase down the target. Has this now been amended to both sides batting the same amount of overs? Again, with the uncertainties. Sounds like a complete farce.

UM, to the best of my understanding the ordinary conditions now apply for all grades as I dont think any game has completed a full 65 (or 72) overs to date. Therefore I would've asumed that if the higher placed team is batting they have no obligation to declare at all (KH in Woolnough). I think where the confusion lies is a new by-law in which the lower placed side can declare and the higher placed team must chase the total as long as they are set at least as many overs as the lower placed team have used (will apply for the Longy game).

Btw, I dont think the reserve day is justified because it was a wet weekend. It was still a decision made too quickly, and as a result the rules for different scenarios have not been properly communicated to the clubs (even the officials seem unsure at times).

 

[CLOCKER]

Re: CMCA- Ommies to remain in top grade

For those who may not be be as educated on the ruling, this was supplied to the Secretaries of ALL participating clubs last week by the CMCA. If the players of the participating finals teams are not aware of this, then they should look at their own club and not the CMCA - however it would have probably been wise for the CMCA to put this on their website as well.

I know we give the CMCA a bit of stick on some matters, but what a masterstroke in setting up a reserve day this season! Just to clarify how the inclement weather rule seems to work, I will use the E grade final between ANA and Omega as an example. Omega made 9/103 off 51 overs. On Saturday, they will bat 6 more overs, leaving ANA 57 overs to chase Omega's overall score. Like any normal 72/65 over game, if ANA makes the runs, they win. If not, Omega wins.

I think all clubs would like to see a result in a grand final, rather than seeing the higher placed side win by default.


The intended application of By Law 4.4.3.5 is to allow the
grand finals to have two innings of either 72 overs
(Longmuir Shield) or 65 overs (other grades) to be played
to normal completion.

Below are some scenarios and what will occur to ensure
the playing of a full game.

1. If either day 1 or day 2 has bad weather so as to
prevent any play at all, then play will continue on the
following saturday, 21st March 2009.
(This applies to both heat and rain)

2. The normal playing conditions apply for any time lost,
up to one hour.

3. If more than one hour is lost on day 1, then ordinary
conditions (By Law 4.4.5) will not apply, and the game
will stop at 6 PM, and the innings will be completed
on the second playing day. There will be no loss of
overs at the changeover of innings. The second team
batting, will continue on the second day until 6 PM.
If however the umpires believe that there is the
possibility of a result, a game may proceed until 7 PM
to overcome the necessity of returning on the next
saturday. If the game cannot be completed, the number
of overs will be completed on the reserve day,
commencing at the normal starting time.

4. If more than one hour is lost on day 2, then ordinary
conditions (By Law 4.4.5) will not apply, and the game
will continue until 6 PM. If the umpires believe that there
may be a result, the game may continue on until 7 PM.
If the game cannot be finished then the number of overs
will be completed on the reserve day, commencing at
the normal starting time.

5. If less than 72 overs (Longmuir Shield) or 65 overs (all
other grades) are bowled on the first two days (Saturday
and Sunday) then the game will revert to ordinary
conditions on the following saturday, and 72 or 65 overs
will be bowled on that reserve day. There will be 3 overs
deducted for a change of innings during the reserve day.

6. The tea breaks will be taken at the standard time,
3.15 PM or 3.30 PM. Drinks breaks will be as normal.

7. By Law 4.4.1.3 will not apply for the grand finals unless
play is not possible on the first two days, in which case
a one day game will be played on the following saturday

Sugar,
Please highlight which section in the ANA scenario applies? I read clause 5 and all I see is the game will rever to ordinary conditions.I know there has been a number of changes which may or may not be in this version.

 

[Jimmy Olson]

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UM, to the best of my understanding the ordinary conditions now apply for all grades as I dont think any game has completed a full 65 (or 72) overs to date. Therefore I would've asumed that if the higher placed team is batting they have no obligation to declare at all (KH in Woolnough). I think where the confusion lies is a new by-law in which the lower placed side can declare and the higher placed team must chase the total as long as they are set at least as many overs as the lower placed team have used (will apply for the Longy game).

Btw, I dont think the reserve day is justified because it was a wet weekend. It was still a decision made too quickly, and as a result the rules for different scenarios have not been properly communicated to the clubs (even the officials seem unsure at times).

My reading of it is, any overs lost on day one can be made up on day three, any overs lost on day two can be made up on day three also but day three should be a 72/65 over maximum and only used for the overs that have been lost ie. if you are playing a 65 over game and have played 45 overs over first two days, you only play a maximum of 65 overs on day three, not 85 to make it up to 130 overs or conversely if you have played 90 overs over the first two days then you only play extra 40 on day three. As day one was basically totally lost, you are now effectively playing a 2 day game again and now for those who were unable to complete 65 overs combined over the Saturday and Sunday (rather than lose more than an hour), the game reverts to ordinary conditions meaning batting team can bat on eg.West Bentleigh, and although KH I gather have batted for 59 overs they do not have to close their innings after another 4 overs to split the overs but can bat on the same as West Bentleigh (even though they only lost 30 minutes or so). At least MW and others have a chance of forcing a result.
Cut the exec a bit of slack, geez you're harsh you blokes.

 

[Jimmy Olson]

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Now, now Sugar. Before you go singing the praises of the CMCA, it isn't that cut & dried in the top grade. It seems everyone is still up in the air about what the exact requirements are for either side to be considered Premiers in season 08/09. I believe there is a meeting tomorrow night to bring clarity to this. Quite a farcical situation for all involved.

An interesting scenario in the 2nd grade. Schwarze has got himself to 49*, but has to start again and blast runs in the remaining overs to set a target for MWCC to chase. Surely there's a disadvantage in having a week's rest as opposed to getting settled before having a crack....? Whilst we can applaud the CMCA's intiative to have a reserve day, there seems very little method in the madness it has created for some.

Kudos too, to the Mackie faithful whom recruited a neighbour with access to the tennis courts which resulted in them having 3 soppers soaking the water off the pitch and a blower. Was very entertaining to say the least and allowed the game to continue for longer than most had anticipated.

And lastly, to those who've been super critical of "gold cap park". Might be time to ease up. The president made it clear they did not want to host a Prelim Final or Grand Final. It seems Phil "Why the long face" Cox had a rather threatening inflection when insisting that gold cap park will host a Grand Final and will open their facilities to those involved and interested in attending. One has to wonder why a club like Highett West whom have similar facilities just up the road couldn't be allocated a game. It's no secret to the CMCA we're a struggling club and could have done with the extra revenue from a couple of days hosting the grand final.

Great work at Mackie. East are pretty keen to hold finals usually (especially when involved) so even though they did advise they were light on for people to look after proceedings at "The Dunc" you gotta take the convenient with the inconvenient sometimes.

 

[Bottsy]

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So just to clarify Jimmy does this mean KH will bat they're 65 and MW will face the remaining 59 or do they have to be bowled out in how many overs that takes to achieveand MW then get the runs?

 

[Uncle Mick]

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Great work at Mackie. East are pretty keen to hold finals usually (especially when involved) so even though they did advise they were light on for people to look after proceedings at "The Dunc" you gotta take the convenient with the inconvenient sometimes.

Understood, but why not look after a club like HWCC who could do with the extra bit of revenue and most importantly were willing participants?

As for being harsh and cutting some slack, I'm not sure we should. This is the most important time of the season and there seems to be nothing but confusion surrounding the laws and the prospective scenarios for the coming weekend. If the umpiring fraternity can pull rank late in the season to discuss umpire reports, then I see no reason why the CMCA execs didn't do the same to make clear the laws surrounding the finals and the impact the weather may have. It's farcical to see a number of individuals get on here and each give varying interpretations of these laws. I've spoken to parties involved in the Longmuir game and they're waiting on a meeting tomorrow night to understand what the situation is. It's embarrassing for the competition.

 

[CLOCKER]

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My reading of it is, any overs lost on day one can be made up on day three, any overs lost on day two can be made up on day three also but day three should be a 72/65 over maximum and only used for the overs that have been lost ie. if you are playing a 65 over game and have played 45 overs over first two days, you only play a maximum of 65 overs on day three, not 85 to make it up to 130 overs or conversely if you have played 90 overs over the first two days then you only play extra 40 on day three. As day one was basically totally lost, you are now effectively playing a 2 day game again and now for those who were unable to complete 65 overs combined over the Saturday and Sunday (rather than lose more than an hour), the game reverts to ordinary conditions meaning batting team can bat on eg.West Bentleigh, and although KH I gather have batted for 59 overs they do not have to close their innings after another 4 overs to split the overs but can bat on the same as West Bentleigh (even though they only lost 30 minutes or so). At least MW and others have a chance of forcing a result.
Cut the exec a bit of slack, geez you're harsh you blokes.

Jimmy,
The vitroel has been over and above what is normal, and agreed it is very harsh;there are valid reasons being raised by a group which has been around for a few years. You have their ear to a certain point....Are they that arrogant and dismissive to even take on board one or the of the issues raised in this forum? Before Sugar gets teary eyed about the 'Masterstroke' he should remember that the CMCA used to have reserve days many years ago as have a number of associations. Good on the executive for rehashing it, there is nothing miraculous, really a bit of common sense.Unfortunately common sense must be a rare item as it has been used quite sparingly this year.

 

[BrianFantana]

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Can someone tell me why, there was no game at Le Page Park No 1 over the last 2 rounds of the finals? Ground is in great nick, and given there were games on the No 2 oval, it would have been a nice earner for LPCC.

ES requested over both the Prelim and GF weekends not to host a neutral game as it was thought that the club could not provide adequate service for the participating clubs due to lack of human resources. (Several committee members were unavailable on prelim weekend for numerous reasons, and 3 were playing in the GF leaving 3 on hand to run a GF day, and given the way it has been run in the past at "The Dunc", would've been an injustice to the competing teams). Obviously if ES had hosted the Longy GF then it would've been easier to cover this with the odd supporter, past player etc who were there watching. Hard to ask that of those guys when the reason they were at the club (watching the 1st XI) is playing elsewhere.

The idea of clubs like HWCC etc hosting GF's is a valid one, as we should be looking at giving those teams who want to host finals (for fiscal reasons) the best opportunity to do so.

As for the meeting to be held tomorrow night, WTF!!!!!?????
I think Para 5 of Sugar's earlier post clears it up. Ordinary conditions it is.

Try explaining it to work colleagues that play in other comps, and they laugh at you!

 

[Jimmy Olson]

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So just to clarify Jimmy does this mean KH will bat they're 65 and MW will face the remaining 59 or do they have to be bowled out in how many overs that takes to achieveand MW then get the runs?

MW have to knock them over in my opinion Botswana and then chase down whatever in whatever overs are left.

 

[Jimmy Olson]

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Jimmy,
The vitroel has been over and above what is normal, and agreed it is very harsh;there are valid reasons being raised by a group which has been around for a few years. You have their ear to a certain point....Are they that arrogant and dismissive to even take on board one or the of the issues raised in this forum? Before Sugar gets teary eyed about the 'Masterstroke' he should remember that the CMCA used to have reserve days many years ago as have a number of associations. Good on the executive for rehashing it, there is nothing miraculous, really a bit of common sense.Unfortunately common sense must be a rare item as it has been used quite sparingly this year.[/QUOTE]

Will admit Clocker to being surprised about so much confusion and the absence of M.Rainey has not helped as he is often a fine voice of reason in scenario's such as this. I reckon you boys are doing a fine job of bringing up all the relevant issues and make no mistake, this book gets viewed.

 

[Jimmy Olson]

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Can someone tell me why, there was no game at Le Page Park No 1 over the last 2 rounds of the finals? Ground is in great nick, and given there were games on the No 2 oval, it would have been a nice earner for LPCC.

ES requested over both the Prelim and GF weekends not to host a neutral game as it was thought that the club could not provide adequate service for the participating clubs due to lack of human resources. (Several committee members were unavailable on prelim weekend for numerous reasons, and 3 were playing in the GF leaving 3 on hand to run a GF day, and given the way it has been run in the past at "The Dunc", would've been an injustice to the competing teams). Obviously if ES had hosted the Longy GF then it would've been easier to cover this with the odd supporter, past player etc who were there watching. Hard to ask that of those guys when the reason they were at the club (watching the 1st XI) is playing elsewhere.

The idea of clubs like HWCC etc hosting GF's is a valid one, as we should be looking at giving those teams who want to host finals (for fiscal reasons) the best opportunity to do so.

As for the meeting to be held tomorrow night, WTF!!!!!?????
I think Para 5 of Sugar's earlier post clears it up. Ordinary conditions it is.

Try explaining it to work colleagues that play in other comps, and they laugh at you!

Mr.Fantana, LPP was off the list as council were going to do major maintenance on it. I believe in the end they chucked some fertilizer on it and that was about it so bit of a waste not being able to use it.
Couldn't find people with all your great club types down there!!! Lucky the boys won straight through to the GF or you might not have a had a team.
I kid!! I kid!!