Dvca - Competition Restructure

What should we do with the Competition next season and beyond?

  • Leave it as is

    Votes: 5 41.7%

  • Go through with the proposed change (10, 10, 8)

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Change to a 12, 8, 8 Team Structure

    Votes: 6 50.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
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I said when junior cricket on Saturday morning first died that we should be starting earlier. If you did this, then it opens up playing all one day cricket for lower grades, for rather than playing 35 overs, you could play 50 over one day cricket. I would also do the 5 overs at one end before swapping trick the juniors have to speed the game up.

As for 2 up, 2 down....yes! I think this would sort out the grades much faster than what currently happens. Using F3 as the example, two teams have been fairly dominant in the home and away season for more than a few years, but both teams have failed to win the big one and go up despite multiple grand final appearances. I expect the same thing will happen again next season, but once again, only 1 can go up. If the 2 up, 2 down was in, both sides would have been promoted years ago.
 
What are the chances that Bundoora Park will be accepted into the DVCA? I assume they wouldn't put an application in without some sort of indication of success?
 
Bowled Shane said:
What are the chances that Bundoora Park will be accepted into the DVCA? I assume they wouldn't put an application in without some sort of indication of success?
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I am sure a club was knocked back when Banyule and Greensborough came across? Looks like we will finally become the Northern Cricket league without losing the DVCA name. Well played......
 
Bundoora said:
I am sure a club was knocked back when Banyule and Greensborough came across? Looks like we will finally become the Northern Cricket league without losing the DVCA name. Well played......
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If they can convince Rivergum or Rosebank to join DVCA then they will have a host of clubs begging to jump ship
 
Bowled Shane said:
If they can convince Rivergum or Rosebank to join DVCA then they will have a host of clubs begging to jump ship
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The sticking point for any prospective new clubs will be the starting grade. No existing club will give up their spot in Barclay or Money and rightly so. 2 up and 2 down might be olive branch required.
 
Bundoora said:
The sticking point for any prospective new clubs will be the starting grade. No existing club will give up their spot in Barclay or Money and rightly so. 2 up and 2 down might be olive branch required.
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Surely the DVCA would have to consider Rivergum to not play Mash?

Perri and Co would not lower their colours to play 3rd Divsion and nor should they, it’s insulting to think otherwise. Clubs like Mernda, Research and Mill Park ahead of them is meant to be some kind of joke right?

Camrea came across in the Twilight of their NMCA legacy and played Money Shield (Before Mash) and dominated on the back of McGann, went to Barclay without McGann and still made finals straight away before all the 40yos either left and/or called it a day and they declined from there. Rosanna did the same from the HDCA.

It’s just proved that the DVCA isn’t what it is cracked up to be and this team isn’t at the end at all. Common sense has to prevail.

If the clubs are against this, are they scared they’ll be embarrassed or something? Why begrudge a team to play middle tier as a compromise when they have the history it has behind it?

Barclay clubs have offered enormous coin to half of Rivegums players so that’s a message in itself.

The only measuring stick to prove is the T20 comp Rivergum has won 3 of the 10 titles which no one has done and beaten Diamo in similar development stages, Plenty in their prime, Lower Eltham in their prime. Made the last 4 around 7 times. Yes it’s not ideal yardstick, but they consistently have pantsed DVCA royalty for near on a decade.

What they have achieved in the NMCA is unprecedented. Their 1s has won 5 GFs in 7 years and will be going for 6 in 8 this weekend. The 2s have won 3 flags in a row as well! With 3 Northern T20s to boot.

They are strong across all grades and are located well for the DVCA. They tick the boxes. If all the DVCA had to do to get them on board is compromise and put them in Money and avoid them causing a massacre of Mash Shield they should seriously consider catering to those requirements.

I mean it’s all good and well to bide your time and earn your stripes like Bundoora Park should, but I think it’s a fair compromise to consider Rivergum to go straight into Money. Anyone with half a brain who’s played against them know they are the real deal and should be in Barclay anyway.

DVCA should wake up and smell the coffee beans and help get them across. They have achieved all there is in NMCA now and need a new challenge.
 
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Beamer83 Beamer83 the most important point in all this is, Rivergum would be asking to come to the DVCA. Not the other way around.

Go through the grades and earn your spot in the top grade like everyone else, or continue to beat up on weak sides like they’ve done for years.
 
That’s why they’ll never come across then Tongs, really disappointing mindset from the DVCA and missed opportunity if that’s the case. If the DVCA puts the pride, egos and arrogance aside for once in a while maybe common sense will prevail but hard to see that happening
 
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Beamer83 said:
That’s why they’ll never come across then Tongs, really disappointing mindset from the DVCA and missed opportunity if that’s the case. If the DVCA puts the pride, egos and arrogance aside for once in a while maybe common sense will prevail but hard to see that happening
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I could write that exact post back to you?

“That’s why they’ll never come across then Beamer83, really disappointing mindset from Rivergum and missed opportunity if that’s the case. If Rivergum puts the pride, egos and arrogance aside for once in a while maybe common sense will prevail but hard to see that happening”
 
Tongs said:
I could write that exact post back to you?

“That’s why they’ll never come across then Beamer83, really disappointing mindset from Rivergum and missed opportunity if that’s the case. If Rivergum puts the pride, egos and arrogance aside for once in a while maybe common sense will prevail but hard to see that happening”
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If that helps you sleep at night, good for you Tongs. Very creative swapping two words, glad I helped you with the rest haha.

On a serious note, all I see are cowards from DVCA side of things, scared that an NMCA club will discredit and embarrass your association because everyone knows they will succeed.

How about this compromise, they send over the Rivergums 2s over to Mash Shield and keep the ones in Jika Shield and they can win 2 flags across both associations?
 
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Beamer83 said:
If that helps you sleep at night, good for you Tongs. Very creative swapping two words, glad I helped you with the rest haha.

On a serious note, all I see are cowards from DVCA side of things, scared that an NMCA club will discredit and embarrass your association because everyone knows they will succeed.

How about this compromise, they send over the Rivergums 2s over to Mash Shield and keep the ones in Jika Shield and they can win 2 flags across both associations?
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Every other team that has entered DVCA has gone through the process of starting in the lower grade and earning the right to promotion by winning Grand finals.
Rivergum should not be given any privileges that other sides did not have for joinging the comp. Its simple, good enough, they can compete against the best after a couple of years.
 
It's quite simple if you break it down.The clubs run the comp, not the association. Clubs will vote out of self interest. Their main responsibility is to do what's best for themselves, not the competition.

Hypothetical at this stage but the only way i see Rivergum playing Money shield straight up is if an existing Money shield team requests to play Mash shield.

Not my intention to question the legitimacy of Rivergum, i actually have no doubt they'd be a good Barclay shield side. If they and Bundoora Park were to join I'd imagine it would be just about time to put the shutters up at the NMCA which would not be a good thing IMO but get the feeling it's something that Cricket Victoria may be pushing.

P.S if they do join, might be 3rd time lucky for Alex, couldn't make a run in 2 previous stints in the comp......

Regards
"DVCA Coward"
 
serg fernandez said:
Every other team that has entered DVCA has gone through the process of starting in the lower grade and earning the right to promotion by winning Grand finals.

Rivergum should not be given any privileges that other sides did not have for joinging the comp. Its simple, good enough, they can compete against the best after a couple of years.
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Heidelberg, Rosanna, Camrea, Banyule and Greensborough all entered the comps 2nd Division from my recollections, so how is this any different?

You’re essentially saying that Rivergum have to enter through the old B Grade or Barclay/Money Reserve Grades pre Mash era. You’re kidding right?

As already mentioned they can’t enter the DVCA through Mash Shield as all their best players refuse to play 3rd division Cricket. The club will not risk losing players to demote themselves to a lesser standard, it’s a club Killer plain and simple.

The DVCAs sole purpose should be endorsing the best teams in the region to join their Association and make the competition stronger to grow participation levels.

In order to do that you need to work both ways and negotiate fair terms and trade and make the necessary adjustments to cater & make this happen.

There is a great opportunity waiting here and all I hear are feeble excuses, reverting to a narrow minded and egotistical Neanderthal mindset where the DVCA fail to see the big picture and use common sense.

For instance Research and Laurimar come up to Money, Rivergum join Money Shield. Greensborough go down to Mash. Money becomes a 12 team comp.

No one gets hurt, plus the added bonus that everyone in Money plays each other once. This makes the Money Shield fixturing much fairer so teams do not have to play each other twice which can screw clubs over which in turn doesn’t accurately reflect a proper end of season ladder result.

Rivergum are prepared to meet halfway in the negotiations, that’s more than a fair compromise considering they are of Barclay Standard.
 
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Beamer83 said:
Heidelberg, Rosanna, Camrea, Rosanna, Banyule and Greensborough all entered the comps 2nd Division from my recollections, so how is this any different?

You’re essentially saying that Rivergum have to enter through the old B Grade or Barclay/Money Reserve Grades pre Mash era. You’re kidding right?

As already mentioned they can’t enter the DVCA through Mash Shield as all their best players refuse to play 3rd division Cricket. The club will not risk losing players to demote themselves to a lesser standard, it’s a club Killer plain and simple.

The DVCAs sole purpose should be endorsing the best teams in the region to join their Association and make the competition stronger to grow participation levels.

In order to do that you need to work both ways and negotiate fair terms and trade and make the necessary adjustments to cater & make this happen.

There is a great opportunity waiting here and all I hear are feeble excuses, reverting to a narrow minded and egotistical Neanderthal mindset where the DVCA fail to see the big picture and use common sense.

For instance Research and Laurimar come up to Money, Rivergum join Money Shield. Greensborough go down to Mash. Money becomes a 12 team comp.

No one gets hurt, plus the added bonus that everyone in Money plays each other once. This makes the Money Shield fixturing much fairer so teams do not have to play each other twice which can screw clubs over which in turn doesn’t accurately reflect a proper end of season ladder result.

Rivergum are prepared to meet halfway in the negotiations, that’s more than a fair compromise considering they are of Barclay Standard.
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The DVCA are cowards because they make it fair and equitable for all clubs? I’m not sure where this entitled attitude comes from. No team has ever got special treatment. Rivergum are no different.

Or maybe it’s just that you’re worried you won’t win Mash and Money straight away? Cowards.
 
Tongs said:
The DVCA are cowards because they make it fair and equitable for all clubs? I’m not sure where this entitled attitude comes from. No team has ever got special treatment. Rivergum are no different.

Or maybe it’s just that you’re worried you won’t win Mash and Money straight away? Cowards.
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Cowards because they want to play higher.........hmmm.... you’ve well and truly lost your marbles
 
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Shannon Malone, possibly one of the best cricketers in the valley, and a proven Barclay shield performer, is currently playing Mash shield. You keep arrogantly stating that players from Rivergum would not play at the low level. What makes these guys so great, so entitled to have the greater privilidge ?
 
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