Finger Spin Bowling.

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True, but release too low causes under spin. It's a tough one.

Mushtaq is a great person to model your action off IMO. Alot of offspinners these days all have bad or unique actions (Murali, Mendis, Botha).
 
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This is just a curiousity question by asking this question, it does not mean that im converting to offspin. I just want to know the mechanics of offspin, just for knowledge purposes, In legspin the first two fingers spin first then the third finger is last to leave the ball, how does the offspin delivery work? I've tried to emulate some offspinners from tv but i just can't seem to get the first finger involved lol. Any ideas on this, Basically i just want to know if there is SUCH a thing as a natural legspinner or a natural offspinner.
 
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Ripping-LegBreak;344309 said:
This is just a curiousity question by asking this question, it does not mean that im converting to offspin. I just want to know the mechanics of offspin, just for knowledge purposes, In legspin the first two fingers spin first then the third finger is last to leave the ball, how does the offspin delivery work? I've tried to emulate some offspinners from tv but i just can't seem to get the first finger involved lol. Any ideas on this, Basically i just want to know if there is SUCH a thing as a natural legspinner or a natural offspinner.
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Basically, the ball is held between the the first finger and the second finger, then at release you drag your fingers down the side of the ball to impart the spin. The motion to impart the spin is similar to the motion of opening a doorknob.

You could sort of say that there "natural" leg-spinners and "natural" off-spinners; different people will have different levels of talent. But to say one or the other is impossible for some people is rather a misnomer I think. Give someone the right knowledge, enough time, and they should be able to learn to do either at some basic level(of course whether they do it well is another matter entirely).
 
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Not surprising really; the fact that he straightens his arm considerably is not exactly hard to spot(although I guess most of the footage we see is in slow-motion; it would be much harder to see at full speed). I'm actually a bit surprised it took this long for him to be reported.

Whether he is below the tolerance level is the question. If he's not over he must running it fairly close I would think.
 
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It's his doosra and quicker ball that have been sighted, which could mean trobule really. We see his arm straighten a bit in his normal delivery and people question that, so what chance has be got of his doosra and arm ball being legit? I hope it goes well for him. It's tough for offspinners.
 
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As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm a keeper but can bowl a bit of LAO. I'm looking to progress in my club and am finding myself a bit stymied by entrenched keepers, so as an alternative I'm trying to improve my bowling to make me a bit more attractive as a specialist bat. We have no decent leggies or LAO bowlers at our club.

The big problem I have is finding a happy medium between pace and spin. I wouldn't say I rip it, but I can get a fair bit of movement if I sacrifice a bit of pace. Previously I've been more like a medium-pacer who bowls a good cutter, but I'm trying to slow things down and concentrate on spin variations and speed.

What sort of speed do finger-spinners like to use for their stock ball, and how much movement should I be concentrating on?
 
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Caesar;363248 said:
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I'm a keeper but can bowl a bit of LAO. I'm looking to progress in my club and am finding myself a bit stymied by entrenched keepers, so as an alternative I'm trying to improve my bowling to make me a bit more attractive as a specialist bat. We have no decent leggies or LAO bowlers at our club.

The big problem I have is finding a happy medium between pace and spin. I wouldn't say I rip it, but I can get a fair bit of movement if I sacrifice a bit of pace. Previously I've been more like a medium-pacer who bowls a good cutter, but I'm trying to slow things down and concentrate on spin variations and speed.

What sort of speed do finger-spinners like to use for their stock ball, and how much movement should I be concentrating on?
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your stock ball can be whatever feels comfortable coming out of your hand. I don't know how old you are and what not, so 50-60km/h could be your stock ball. Movement? work out how far you can turn it in the best conditions and work backwards. Your wrist position, how you hold the ball, how you release it and where you are positioned all make a difference in how much turn you will get. Work with what's comfortable before you work out what will turn the most; being comfortable when you bowl is something you want :)

Good Luck!
 
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I'm 24.

I'm having difficulty finding a good equilibrium. I get plenty of turn at a lower speed, but don't have the hang of making the ball move in the air so it's easy for the batsmen to read. Flight is pretty predictable, and not much drift or any dipping. I find myself compensating by bowling faster balls, but then my spin goes out the window.

If I can't get a bit more control over my flight I'm thinking of just reverting to bowling medium pace, working on my cutter and developing some seaming deliveries. But really I'd prefer to get the hang of spinning, I think it would be a more valuable skill.
 
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Sounds like the slower 'big' turner would be a good variation or 'weapon' if you can get a bit of drift and dip on a stock ball. Normal side spin probably won’t generate either of these so you'll have to work on wrist, finger & seam position to get more 'over' spin. You might find this hard to do without dragging the ball short and wide, the trick for over spin (for me anyway) is to be able to spin the ball hard with the 1st finger, and do it away/off from the palm, so that the ball has the least amount of resistance to the spinning action of the fingers as it is released(does that even make sense?) not being a finger spinner for many years may mean that your spinning finger doesn't have the flexibility needed to be able to 'spread' away from the 2nd finger along the seam and generate turn away from the rest of your hand and palm etc however, it might only take a slight change in 'spin' direction to notice a change in flight. Other factors will help also like bowling into the wind etc. Your stock ball probably needs to be somewhere between you big turning ball, and the 'nude' straight nut so you have some variation both ways with turn, change of pace & then also varying the amount of over-spin.. hitting the crease a bit harder and getting the arm up as high as possible and right up on the toes may help with creating more 'work' on the ball with less effort needed at the crease, this might help with accuracy when trying new things....
 
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With the discussion in the Off-Spinning Guide thread I thought this might be due for a recovery. The Australian season is in full swing, so how is everyone going?
 
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Haven't done any bowling outside of the nets this season. Injury has opened up keeping positions in the higher grades so I'm concentrating on that.
 
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I've been working on mine a lot so far this summer and it's being going fairly well. I'm getting a bit of turn again - although it varies from day to day, and I'm getting my line and length right again - although my line can be shaky. So my stock ball is going well, and I'm changing pace a bit and that's going okay. I might start working again on my one that goes the other way - once the stock ball is looking 100% good though. Still have a great arm ball.
 
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Mousey;381518 said:
I've been working on mine a lot so far this summer and it's being going fairly well. I'm getting a bit of turn again - although it varies from day to day, and I'm getting my line and length right again - although my line can be shaky. So my stock ball is going well, and I'm changing pace a bit and that's going okay. I might start working again on my one that goes the other way - once the stock ball is looking 100% good though. Still have a great arm ball.
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Is this bowled as a regular Doosra or do have some other method that you use to turn it the other way?
 
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you can develope more ways than one to bowl "the one that goes the other way" it's just about it being comfortable and it working whilst being legal...
 
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My offies have been quite good this year but 1 team wants me to play as a batsman only and been struggling a bit there, the other team I am usually in now lets me bowl sometimes, luckily that captain doesnt worry when I have 1 bad over

Had 1 game where the first over went for 15 and the next 12 went for 15 :D

Wickets have been hard to come by, in the team who wants me as a batsman they bowled me once, got a wicket immediately but havent bowled since. The other team I have been very economical bar the 1 odd bad over but wickets arent coming, the day I bowled 13 overs I got 3 wickets, the week before in a one day I was economical and 5 wickets fell at the other end during my spell so that was alright
 
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