Geelong Cricket Chat 2010/11

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Look here;400449 said:
I suspect when it comes around, everyone will be glad we're not playing on that first Saturday in October because it's gonna be very difficult to get anywhere in Geelong based on the lockdown of streets that COGG is proposing. Would be hilarious if the AFL GF had Geelong in it and was tied, and therefore had to be replayed that next weekend the cycling is scheduled. The bogans wouldn't appreciate finding out they won't be allowed into town to congregate en masse.

It will be interesting to see if the cycling has any effect on the GCA's decision whether or not to schedule an 11-round season so that everyone plays each other only once. Would mean only 2 x 1-day games, remainder 2-dayers. Seemed to be a few more voices than usual in favour of the 11-round season at the GCA general meeting last week. Overall not a really exciting meeting - the most anyone got animated was when GCA life membership criteria was discussed. Many a great shit-fight at club level has come about over this very issue; maybe now at Association level as well. :)
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I would hate for one to only play 2 one day games for the whole season to try and have a play each other once season. No draw is ever even with turf cricket, the conditions can be totally different each week. You could bat first one week on a damp wicket and get rolled, so even playing every one once can still be uneven for a club. Playing two of the teams in one dayers also mean it is uneven. I know it has to do with club championships, etc, but I think the random draw of the chance to play some teams more than once adds to it. I would hate to convert to majority two day cricket and cut out ther number of games you play each season.
 
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cheer_cheer;400468 said:
I would hate for one to only play 2 one day games for the whole season to try and have a play each other once season. No draw is ever even with turf cricket, the conditions can be totally different each week. You could bat first one week on a damp wicket and get rolled, so even playing every one once can still be uneven for a club. Playing two of the teams in one dayers also mean it is uneven. I know it has to do with club championships, etc, but I think the random draw of the chance to play some teams more than once adds to it. I would hate to convert to majority two day cricket and cut out ther number of games you play each season.
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22 round season = all 100 over 1 dayers.

Everyone plays each other home and away.

Job done.
 
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thommy_rissole;400556 said:
22 round season = all 100 over 1 dayers.

Everyone plays each other home and away.

Job done.
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I LOVE this idea. It's simple and a lot of players could play longer as the games would be shorter. And makes a hell of a lot of sense. The 85 over games suck. At least the general public would enjoy watching 50 over games each week and not this boring 85 over rubbish.
 
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fineleg2fineleg;400557 said:
I LOVE this idea. It's simple and a lot of players could play longer as the games would be shorter. And makes a hell of a lot of sense. The 85 over games suck. At least the general public would enjoy watching 50 over games each week and not this boring 85 over rubbish.
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And I reckon I would be a chance to make over 200 for the season !! hehe, only just !!
 
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fineleg2fineleg;400557 said:
I LOVE this idea. It's simple and a lot of players could play longer as the games would be shorter. And makes a hell of a lot of sense. The 85 over games suck. At least the general public would enjoy watching 50 over games each week and not this boring 85 over rubbish.
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Glad someone agrees. It would make perfect sense.

Less player unavailability as they would only have to miss the one weekend of cricket if they had to work/holiday. Not two weekends, because as it currently stands if they're unavailable for one weekend they miss two weekends of cricket.

5 bowlers with 10 over limits, could also have fielding restrictions if you wanted to (although I see them unneccassary). Would make the matches a lot more competitive, especially in Div 2 & 3 (read: no outright results).

The fossils who run all cricket leagues across Victoria don't want change from tradition, which is a pity as I could see it being a winner.
 
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thommy_rissole;400556 said:
22 round season = all 100 over 1 dayers.

Everyone plays each other home and away.

Job done.
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thommy_rissole;400559 said:
Glad someone agrees. It would make perfect sense.

Less player unavailability as they would only have to miss the one weekend of cricket if they had to work/holiday. Not two weekends, because as it currently stands if they're unavailable for one weekend they miss two weekends of cricket.

5 bowlers with 10 over limits, could also have fielding restrictions if you wanted to (although I see them unneccassary). Would make the matches a lot more competitive, especially in Div 2 & 3 (read: no outright results).

The fossils who run all cricket leagues across Victoria don't want change from tradition, which is a pity as I could see it being a winner.
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I Agree wholeheartedly:cool:
 
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Another positive about this and I believe is a massive positive is that each team would have a level playing field in that the wicket would be prepared the same way for both teams. This currently does not happen over a 2 week game.
 
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Disagree completely guys. Pyramid system in Australian turf cricket is dependant on 2 day cricket to provide experience for players to go from GCA, to District, then onto Vics and Australia, should they wish to. It's for the greater good.

A shift to 1-day cricket could disrupt the success of this completely. County Premier Leagues here in England, like the one i play in, would be 2-day cricket like a shot if we could gaurantee the weather, like you pretty much can in Oz.
 
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AB1;400564 said:
Disagree completely guys. Pyramid system in Australian turf cricket is dependant on 2 day cricket to provide experience for players to go from GCA, to District, then onto Vics and Australia, should they wish to. It's for the greater good.

A shift to 1-day cricket could disrupt the success of this completely. County Premier Leagues here in England, like the one i play in, would be 2-day cricket like a shot if we could gaurantee the weather, like you pretty much can in Oz.
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agree or disagree there is no way that the GCA would stop playing two dayers as the finals are two dayers and as AB said the next step in your progression path is to be able to play 100 over cricket in the Premier Comp. They may at one stage go up to 100 overs in a day, not reduce it out totally by having 50 over games that will not teach players how to bat out a day. You need a mixture of all the cricket played across all grades, including 2-day, 1-day and T20 to groom the next level of talent across the region.
 
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thommy_rissole;400556 said:
22 round season = all 100 over 1 dayers.

Everyone plays each other home and away.

Job done.
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Now most people will say thats bloody stupid you idiot. but its actually not that bad of an idea, still wouldnt be an even draw due to conditions, but the closest thing ya ever gonna get. dont know how most clubs would feel about all one dyaers though, batsmne will hate it coz they dont get a chance to shine and hog the limelight, but all us bowlers hate you scabby pricks anyway;)
 
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AB makes agood point though, it doesnt prepare us for the next level which could effect our cricket status long term.

We basically play one dayers now, just 85 overs each. if a side makes 1/452 and the other makes all out 453, guess who wins. that is not how its played in district and above. you should have to bowl a side out for less than your total if ya wanna be consistent with levels above local. lets make it 100 over days coz 85 under these rules would bring too many draws, we all sit around waiting to play anyway, and 100 overs would get results not draws and be consisten with VCA and teach teams to be more tactical.

PS. this may contradict my prev post, but ive had a few bourbons and read the other posts which kind achange dmy mind. i see b:eek:th side sof the argument.:D
 
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AB1;400564 said:
Disagree completely guys. Pyramid system in Australian turf cricket is dependant on 2 day cricket to provide experience for players to go from GCA, to District, then onto Vics and Australia, should they wish to. It's for the greater good.

A shift to 1-day cricket could disrupt the success of this completely. County Premier Leagues here in England, like the one i play in, would be 2-day cricket like a shot if we could gaurantee the weather, like you pretty much can in Oz.
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I would have thought that most batsmen would prefer to be guaranteed a hit every week, rather than having to wait anywhere from 7 to 21 days between innings'.

As for the pyramid system, the majority of players who are identified as having the potential to play at higher levels will enter the district system relatively early on in their development, and will learn their craft in the lower grades of district cricket, rather than local leagues like the GCA. I'm not sure that switching the format to all one-dayers would have that damaging an effect.
 
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yeah... i like the drinkin tins on the deck watching cricket idea..... who came up with that one????:D
 
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I don't play in the Geelong league but having played a full season in a one-day competition about five years ago I can tell you that this would be a poor option for the GCA. Two-day cricket teaches the younger guys how to build an innings and how to occupy the crease, one-day cricket doesn't do this. You've also got to remember, the higher levels of cricket focus on multiple days of cricket (district level, first-class etc) so going from one-day cricket to two or potentially four-day cricket is a huge difference and one that would be diffcicult to adjust to.

About five years ago, my club entered a one-day side is a specialised one-day competition in our association (our association has about 15 grades). Our side was put in division one where a lot of ex-first grade players happen to end up when they don't want to bowl 20 overs a day or bat for 50 overs anymore. The team was mostly young guys (myself included) and we lost more games than we won. A lot of these guys playing in this grade were just sloggers, with most of their shots going down the ground or out to cow corner. Great deliveries in any other grade were slogged to the boundary in this comp leaving the bowler wondering what he was doing wrong. The young guys basically learnt nothing that year and the club I played for wrote the grade off at the end of the year as a waste of time and decided to put the grade back to where it was before, playing a mixture of two-day and one-day games which I think is the right way to go.

Whilst one-day cricket is fun, two-day cricket should be the main focus of any club and they should be looking to nurture its younger players by focusing on developing these guys through the two-day game.

a for effort said:
I would have thought that most batsmen would prefer to be guaranteed a hit every week, rather than having to wait anywhere from 7 to 21 days between innings'.
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Only guaranteed hit you'll get is by playing two-day cricket.

a for effort said:
As for the pyramid system, the majority of players who are identified as having the potential to play at higher levels will enter the district system relatively early on in their development, and will learn their craft in the lower grades of district cricket, rather than local leagues like the GCA. I'm not sure that switching the format to all one-dayers would have that damaging an effect.
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Not always. A lot of the guys who play junior district cricket also play for the association I play in. Most of these guys will play junior district cricket in the mornings and then play senior cricket in the afternoon for their respective community clubs. These guys play two-day games as well as one-day games which I believe is good for their development as it teaches them how to play each game effectively rather than just playing one game and learning how to play that type of match solely on its own (i.e only playing one-day matches). The ultimate goal is to play test cricket for our country or even first-class cricket for our respective states, playing only one-day games won't help achieve that.

In my opinion and despite not playing in the competition, the GCA's best option would be to keep two-day cricket and play that within a mixture of one-day matches.
 
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SHANEBOURNEorWARNE;400943 said:
Does anyone think that it might be time for the GCA/BPCA to set up a clearance page link similar to VCA, FootballGeelong and GDFL. Surely it wouldn't be too difficult to link it up to mycricket somehow????
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was recommended 10 yrs ago by more than one club at GCA meetings, but its the GCA, what more could you expect. its all about control. you should be able to submit everything on line, im sure most would love it that way. im sure harps is more than capable of making this happen very easily with his IT skills.
 
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crktluva;401005 said:
was recommended 10 yrs ago by more than one club at GCA meetings, but its the GCA, what more could you expect. its all about control. you should be able to submit everything on line, im sure most would love it that way. im sure harps is more than capable of making this happen very easily with his IT skills.
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All clarances and permits ARE lodged on-line now, with the rare event of clearances between the GCA/BPCA and the Colac & District Cricket Association being the exception as they (C&DCA) don't yet use MyCricket.

But yes, an online record of all clearance ins and outs would be handy even if only for interest's sake.
 
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thommy_rissole;401187 said:
What a boat race the DVCA is: http://www.bigcricket.com/forum/t77015/

And we think we have it bad!
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I played for two seasons in the Ringwood District Cricket Association, And they used this method for grading each individual side.

Its a grading nightmare for the fixturing committee, however they do a good enough job.

What this system does prevent, are less blow outs and a more even/competitive competition.

In the Ringwood comp, there are about 16-17 divisions/grades, so its probably more applicable.

One week you could be playing a clubs 1st eleven, the next week you could be playing someones thirds or even fourths, depending on the strength of the clubs.

At first i thought it would be shizen, however, the concept grew on me, and the RDCA are benefiting from a well structured leauge.

There would be a relegation/promotion every season, however you could not be promoted into a grade where you had another side. ie, your thirds couldn't be promoted to the same division as your seconds etc.

This works in that comp as its not uncommon for clubs to have 5-8 sides at each club.
 
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Has there been anymore feedback on the GCA having a netball comp this season?

And also how will it work if it does get up and running? How many teams per club, grades, divisions etc.?

It's probably not a bad idea for a perv during summer;)
 
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