HDCA Cricket Chat 2010/11

[moneybank]

Some really interesting/good points there. End of the day it's easy to point fingers at who pays and who doesn't but it really doesn't matter what any club does other than your own, if your lucky/good enough to get paid at your club good for you i guess. No body answered the question of where ECC are playing, will they go to Eastern?

Every club in A Grade HDCA is paying at least one individual. A majority of that payment may be for coaching services, where their ability as a player is the cream on top rather than the cake itself; this probably applies to a bloke like Almatrah from Rosanna or Stewart from East Ivanhoe.

Last I heard, Dean Turner was trying to get the "super league" up and going, and I'd imagine they would be pretty keen to have Edinburgh involved in that. If that doesn't happen, then NMCA or ECA would be the logical next homes.

 

[DJ YALLAH]

There is absolutely no doubt that every club in the HDCA pays at least one player to play, with most clubs probably paying more than one. I suppose the distinction could be made between players being "taken" (for want of a better word) from other clubs by the lure of money, and those who are paid to prevent that from occurring to either home grown players, or those who become players at a certain club for reasons other than money.

I would suggest that just about every paid player in the HDCA falls into the second category, and that just about every one of them could command better money at other clubs or in other competitions.

Yeah thats all very well and said one thing i don't get is why is there a big deal about people getting paid in Cricket. Every 2nd bloke pretty much gets paid in Footy yet when a little spert of money gets put out in Cricket everyone starts denying it. The fact is that sport influences a serious effect towards people that play or are involved in it whether it be at a local or professional level. times have changed and people need to get with it, instead of complaining about who's getting paid and how much there on. I understand that bigger clubs might have the ability to pay or throw more money at players than the other smaller clubs but from how i see it this argument isn't about that its about clubs saying they are payfree and that all players play at the club because of there loyalty and off their own backs. Some do but others won't especially the younger generation as they get older. i can see alot not being able to resist. It might get to a stage in the future where Cricket Victoria might throw money into local cricket which will see even the smaller clubs with money to throw at certain players. By then the ones continuing to be loyal will be regarded as legends and those sniffing out cash well you won't be able to blame them as money getting thrown at them might be too good to refuse. This could be the begining of something big to come.

 

[Hanz lowman]

werent they already banksia a few years back??



im quite sure that your comp never gave a stuff about who pays who 3 years ago, like the NMCA does not care now. common thread...rosebank.

You really hold a great deal of resentment towards Rosebank which i can't really comprehend considering they are a bunch good blokes who play cricket hard and are the first to have a beer with you after the game. Perhaps the reason behind your bitterness is because over the years when they were in Jika you were at the end of some hidings and Grand Final losses that's the only reason i can come up with other than you are a disgruntled resident of Hughes Parade who is sick of balls been smashed by Plumps into your back window every second week

 

[northmetroboy]

You really hold a great deal of resentment towards Rosebank which i can't really comprehend considering they are a bunch good blokes who play cricket hard and are the first to have a beer with you after the game. Perhaps the reason behind your bitterness is because over the years when they were in Jika you were at the end of some hidings and Grand Final losses that's the only reason i can come up with other than you are a disgruntled resident of Hughes Parade who is sick of balls been smashed by Plumps into your back window every second week

no not really, i think they are also good blokes on the field, but the money they spend and the poaching of other clubs players, ruins competition/s....rosebank 2, competitions 0

 

[jikaone]

Northmero, they are not my favorites, but you are really streching it! Jesenik, turnball, wynhum,poigus fellowes Berak, Mcgann, shepard, Tabain, Keon Park players on incentives, all the money that Northcote united threw at imports, all the $$$$ that is being thrown around in DVCA, HDCA? Druids paid Dulip 15k!! and they have a junior program. The list goes on and on, Rivergum paid Jesensek 6k this past season. I think it's time to move on.imo

 

[northmetroboy]

Northmero, they are not my favorites, but you are really streching it! Jesenik, turnball, wynhum,poigus fellowes Berak, Mcgann, shepard, Tabain, Keon Park players on incentives, all the money that Northcote united threw at imports, all the $$$$ that is being thrown around in DVCA, HDCA? Druids paid Dulip 15k!! and they have a junior program. The list goes on and on, Rivergum paid Jesensek 6k this past season. I think it's time to move on.imo

jikaone, ..ever thought of why they pay this money, its because they had to do it to compete!....the camrea vs rosebank spending cash competition is finished, the NMCA is better for it....not saying no one should pay, but the 'we will recruit better than anyone' mentality is no good for local cricket....hence why the comps fall by the wayside...the smaller clubs with a 5k budget just get trumped every time by these bullies....anyway lets move on...they'll buy this forum soon

 

[jikaone]

HHHaaaa your right!!1 I only have one problem, players have become smarter and the days of playing for your clubs out of loyalty are over, it starts at the top! players shifting district clubs for more$$$ and flows all the way down to our level of cricket/football. I think our days are over!! It will be all about the almighty$$$$. By the way, Jika clubs were paying$$$ long before Camrea and Rosebank came along! no point naming clubs I don' want to inflame the situation.

 

[DJ YALLAH]

jikaone, ..ever thought of why they pay this money, its because they had to do it to compete!....the camrea vs rosebank spending cash competition is finished, the NMCA is better for it....not saying no one should pay, but the 'we will recruit better than anyone' mentality is no good for local cricket....hence why the comps fall by the wayside...the smaller clubs with a 5k budget just get trumped every time by these bullies....anyway lets move on...they'll buy this forum soon

What an inflammatory response you put forward. it just amazes me i tip that your like this on the field too

 

[Hanz lowman]

no not really, i think they are also good blokes on the field, but the money they spend and the poaching of other clubs players, ruins competition/s....rosebank 2, competitions 0

The demise of the HDCA cannot be blamed on Rosebank in any way to suggest otherwise is ignorant and foolish; Rosebank did nothing but good things coming into the HDCA we can't blame them for the comp diminshing and in regard to their poaching surely you have a longstanding wound that hasn't healed i looked in their rooms and saw the premiership photos from the JIKA days long ago, the team back then and the team now looks exactly the same give and take a few, and the players of note (tenuta, plumpton, samps) all seem to have played at Rosebank for a long while and when plumps and samps weren't they were playing district cricket.

You are making them out to sound like a filthy rich club who take young talented cricketers from every club in whatever comp they are in every year. They clearly don't do this anymore or haven't done so in a while. If there is evidence contradicting what I am saying i would like to see it but it seems Rosebank have consisted of the same core of good cricketers for a while now.

 

[The Ignitron]

I reckon Skeggs is as quick as anyone in the HDCA, and was surprised he couldn't get a regular game (worth remembering that he's playing fourth fiddle to three very good med+ bowlers though), so wouldn't begrudge him heading elsewhere for better opportunities. Allery and Kernaghan are battling HDCA 2's cricketers, so if they're getting coin, I'm pretty shattered that no-one came with dollars for me back in my younger days!

Whilst first grade cricket success is obviously the legacy of any coach, the number one KPI during his tenure would be the overall success of the club. Another season of 20+ wickets for himself, plus the Clive Pilkington Shield for the club as well as a team in the finals in every grade, three grand finalists (one flag) and the biggest numbers of any club in the competition suggest that he's doing something right and as such, he has been re-signed for 12/13.

Have heard nothing of the Gelling's to ECC, in fact talking with their prez a few weeks ago, he was quite excited about the younger Gelling having a bit more to do with the club next season. Ridewood plays footy at HFC, so would be very surprised if he left Warringal Park. The main story I keep hearing is that three of RCC's premiership 11 won't be at De Winton next year... One is furious about the move to DVCA, whilst two of the younger boys are looking to try their hand at turf cricket.

Who are the 3 players from RCC that won't playing there next season and where will they pursue there cricket?

 

[Berger]

no not really, i think they are also good blokes on the field, but the money they spend and the poaching of other clubs players, ruins competition/s....rosebank 2, competitions 0

Rosebank coming over to HDCA actually improved our competition. To say they ruin competitions is innacurate. They cleary improved us and probably weakened NMCA when they left.

 

[onemoreover]

I know very little about your club but the very little that i do know about it is that if your saying your club hasn't faded than i think lying to yourself because your president when deciding to depart from the HDCA had told people from the HDCA that they could land up in Barclay Shield within 1-2 seasons. But now 3 seasons have passed and you have failed to land in the big league. I know that Greensborough were a huge club before they left the HDCA. I cannot comment with numbers right now but i think it is irrelevant but what i'm saying is when leaving the HDCA your club would have had goals when joining DVCA. The question I'm asking you now have you achieved those goals, if so they musn't be very high. As for Rosebank yes they haven't made or won GFs the last 2 seasons, but you can't win all of them and when they did have a full team going a couple of years ago they showed how clinical they could be and still have proven in home and away games that they are the benchmark and on their days have thumped Heidelberg Rosanna Banyule and Edinburgh and they could probably do the same to all the Barclay Shield teams on their day and by a very big margin.

If you know very little about the club, then your input simply amounts to heresay and pot stirring. So thanks for the laughs in that case.

Nothing wrong with having high aims or expectation! Far better to aim high and maybe miss than aim to low and hit, to para-phrase a famous saying. I will applaud any club that challenges itself in that sense.

I love the way your post can be critical of one club, yet at the same time, the post can excuse a different club of similar failings.

The recent posts from Goliath bring some balance and objective perspective on the subject of comps, clubs and participating player numbers. The posters who use the loss of junior numbers, as a tool, to try and build a vindictive case against a club for transfering to another comp, is simply mischevious. If anyone cares to check the statistical data of many metro comps and clubs you will see that junior numbers have trended down for several seasons now. The considered reasons for this are also readily available if one cares to do their research, rather than peddling the untruths often seen in the HDCA and NMCA related forums. The DVCA has nothing to do with this effect in itself and I am saying that as one who comes from the HDCA.

Having said all that, I apologise for my ramblings and urge those that may have been unfairly referenced by my comments, to continue the mass debate that has been going on over such matters.

 

[The Ignitron]

I have some contacts at the Heidelberg RSL and sources have told me there is a massive push for a merger between the RSL club and the Heidelberg Cricket Club, mind you the person telling me was rather intoxicated he did say that there is a push to create the H'Berg RSL CC i didn't believe him but i wanted to see if anyone else has heard these rumours? Surely if something like this were to happen it would be between HWCC and the RSL not the HCC

 

[The Ignitron]

Rosebank coming over to HDCA actually improved our competition. To say they ruin competitions is innacurate. They cleary improved us and probably weakened NMCA when they left.

I aggree- anybody that enjoys local cricket should count themselves very lucky to see North Brunswick Rosebank CC play

 

[DJ YALLAH]

If you know very little about the club, then your input simply amounts to heresay and pot stirring. So thanks for the laughs in that case.

Nothing wrong with having high aims or expectation! Far better to aim high and maybe miss than aim to low and hit, to para-phrase a famous saying. I will applaud any club that challenges itself in that sense.

I love the way your post can be critical of one club, yet at the same time, the post can excuse a different club of similar failings.

The recent posts from Goliath bring some balance and objective perspective on the subject of comps, clubs and participating player numbers. The posters who use the loss of junior numbers, as a tool, to try and build a vindictive case against a club for transfering to another comp, is simply mischevious. If anyone cares to check the statistical data of many metro comps and clubs you will see that junior numbers have trended down for several seasons now. The considered reasons for this are also readily available if one cares to do their research, rather than peddling the untruths often seen in the HDCA and NMCA related forums. The DVCA has nothing to do with this effect in itself and I am saying that as one who comes from the HDCA.

Having said all that, I apologise for my ramblings and urge those that may have been unfairly referenced by my comments, to continue the mass debate that has been going on over such matters.

Well if your trying to put Rosebank and your club in the same boat than thats just ludicrous because they've only failed in the last 2 seasons in the top level of cricket where Greensborough have struggled to win in a 2nd division of their comp for 3 seasons and to add to that they haven't won a 1s flag for god knows how long. I only mentioned goals because your president set that 1 out to the rest of the comp. If you think I'm pot stirring go ask the bloke who is the President or President at the time who elected to make the move

 

[serg fernandez]

Well if your trying to put Rosebank and your club in the same boat than thats just ludicrous because they've only failed in the last 2 seasons in the top level of cricket where Greensborough have struggled to win in a 2nd division of their comp for 3 seasons and to add to that they haven't won a 1s flag for god knows how long. I only mentioned goals because your president set that 1 out to the rest of the comp. If you think I'm pot stirring go ask the bloke who is the President or President at the time who elected to make the move

What club do you play for champ

 

[DJ YALLAH]

What club do you play for champ

I Think i responded to your Question Buddy

 

[The Ignitron]

I Think i responded to your Question Buddy

I think your from either Rosebank CC or Heidelberg, and your just trying to stir a lot of people up because a lot of what has been said by you is pretty trashy and disparaging

 

[serg fernandez]

I think your from either Rosebank CC or Heidelberg, and your just trying to stir a lot of people up because a lot of what has been said by you is pretty trashy and disparaging

I hearing "ya" Ignitron. He has advised me that he is a HDCA delegate and is not attached to any one club. Its so very convenient when he pots a few in his his travels, but is not willing to fess us to which club he belongs to

 

[DJ YALLAH]

I hearing "ya" Ignitron. He has advised me that he is a HDCA delegate and is not attached to any one club. Its so very convenient when he pots a few in his his travels, but is not willing to fess us to which club he belongs to

Well if i start mentioning clubs i want to make sure i don't leave any club out as it might be disrespectful so i'll just Opt to stick with being a HDCA Delegate.