How to fix DVCA 2024/2025 onwards.

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WanderingUnity said:
Step 1: Reintroduce Shield and Shield Reserve.

What's the benefits of this?? Reasoning; give 5 positives.
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Scheduling of the Shield and Shield Reserve would be significantly easier.

This year we had our 6th grade play in the main oval, whilst our 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th Grades played away.

Later on in the year we had 5 teams play at home, meaning the twos were on the back oval (good but not great oval). We had to buy additional stumps and scoreboards.

This is enough of a benefit.

Second benefit. Scheduling for the remaining grades would become far easier.

Third benefit. Would create greater interest between the clubs for that round of cricket.

Name a club who would be disadvantaged by this move.
 
I agree that the culture benefits of 1's and 2's playing the same teams creates some great chat among the teams.

Yes, scheduling will be easier, and yes, the impacted clubs aren't significant, but there's some anomalies.

Rosebank - now in Money, has their 2's in D grade, so that's a great disparity.
Banyule, Lalor Stars and Mont's 2's are currently in B grade, so that's a dropping of standards for them - to equiv C grade.
Macleod, Bundoora, Research 2's are currently in C grade, so that's a step up in standards for them - to equiv B grade.
Mernda's 2's are in B grade, so that's a major drop of standards for them - to equiv D grade.


Scheduling can't be the only reason to revert back, as I think the scheduling has easier fixes than just this.

Should teams play where they are graded to play?
Or do teams (2's) fluctuate that much anyway with players arriving/departing clubs each year and players being unavailable during the year make their 2's a more fluid combination each week / year.

It's a 50/50 for me.
 
WanderingUnity said:
I agree that the culture benefits of 1's and 2's playing the same teams creates some great chat among the teams.

Yes, scheduling will be easier, and yes, the impacted clubs aren't significant, but there's some anomalies.

Rosebank - now in Money, has their 2's in D grade, so that's a great disparity.
Banyule, Lalor Stars and Mont's 2's are currently in B grade, so that's a dropping of standards for them - to equiv C grade.
Macleod, Bundoora, Research 2's are currently in C grade, so that's a step up in standards for them - to equiv B grade.
Mernda's 2's are in B grade, so that's a major drop of standards for them - to equiv D grade.


Scheduling can't be the only reason to revert back, as I think the scheduling has easier fixes than just this.

Should teams play where they are graded to play?
Or do teams (2's) fluctuate that much anyway with players arriving/departing clubs each year and players being unavailable during the year make their 2's a more fluid combination each week / year.

It's a 50/50 for me.
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Good to see some logical cordial debating.

If we don’t undertake the Shield and Shield reserve.

Can’t have teams 3rds playing (Macleod and Plenty) playing against teams 5ths and 6th.

Need to undertake an overall regrade of B Grade and below.

Regardless of who won premierships or not in 2023.
 
quality_import said:
There's hardly any difference in standard between b and d grade teams imo. There Is a huge gap between b to a though.
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Our 2’s have just won D & C grade Premierships over the space of 2 seasons and honestly there is not that much difference between the 2 grades. The Top 4 sides in D from last year would have been in around the mark in C grade this season.

What probably needs to be considered is a two up and two down scenario in the non shield grades. This would definitely even out the grades and you would find within a few seasons most clubs would be in their respective levels. I personally wouldn’t be against a two up and two down in the shields as well
 
PremiersAgain said:
Our 2’s have just won D & C grade Premierships over the space of 2 seasons and honestly there is not that much difference between the 2 grades. The Top 4 sides in D from last year would have been in around the mark in C grade this season.

What probably needs to be considered is a two up and two down scenario in the non shield grades. This would definitely even out the grades and you would find within a few seasons most clubs would be in their respective levels. I personally wouldn’t be against a two up and two down in the shields as well
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PremiersAgain said:
Our 2’s have just won D & C grade Premierships over the space of 2 seasons and honestly there is not that much difference between the 2 grades. The Top 4 sides in D from last year would have been in around the mark in C grade this season.

What probably needs to be considered is a two up and two down scenario in the non shield grades. This would definitely even out the grades and you would find within a few seasons most clubs would be in their respective levels. I personally wouldn’t be against a two up and two down in the shields as well
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Is that because Plenty keep fumbling that Money Shield
 
Underarm28 said:
Can’t have teams 3rds playing (Macleod and Plenty) playing against teams 5ths and 6th.

Need to undertake an overall regrade of B Grade and below.
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How can this be achieved fairly?? Some teams 3's aren't good enough to compete against other teams 3's or maybe 4's?

Agree that 2 up and 2 down would be a great leveler, but would also look at playing 1 day cricket from B grade down. More participation at all levels, games completed every week creates more of a social environment and could encourage more people coming to watch if they know a result is happening.
 
WanderingUnity said:
How can this be achieved fairly?? Some teams 3's aren't good enough to compete against other teams 3's or maybe 4's?

Agree that 2 up and 2 down would be a great leveler, but would also look at playing 1 day cricket from B grade down. More participation at all levels, games completed every week creates more of a social environment and could encourage more people coming to watch if they know a result is happening.
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Only way this works if there are no bowling restrictions on Juniors. All can bowl thei 7 or 8 in a row. Having to stop after 5 usually sees them not getting a second spell.
 
WanderingUnity said:
How can this be achieved fairly?? Some teams 3's aren't good enough to compete against other teams 3's or maybe 4's?

Agree that 2 up and 2 down would be a great leveler, but would also look at playing 1 day cricket from B grade down. More participation at all levels, games completed every week creates more of a social environment and could encourage more people coming to watch if they know a result is happening.
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Twos cricketers need to be playing 2 day cricket.

We’ve already got an issue with kids not being able to bat long periods. One day cricket also means less significant batting innings for the middle and lower order who might only bat every second game or have to come in every week in the 38th over.

Not ideal preparation for a game in the ones, nor preparing them well for their cricketing career.

IMO of course.
 
burnerboy said:
Is that because Plenty keep fumbling that Money Shield
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Not in the slightest.

I have no doubt that all the grades would be more even across the board if their was more movement up and down
CricketBox said:
Twos cricketers need to be playing 2 day cricket.

We’ve already got an issue with kids not being able to bat long periods. One day cricket also means less significant batting innings for the middle and lower order who might only bat every second game or have to come in every week in the 38th over.

Not ideal preparation for a game in the ones, nor preparing them well for their cricketing career.

IMO of course.
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100% this

I think there is an air of inevitability in that we will lose 2 day cricket from below E grade. In saying that we currently have G grade as allocated 1 day cricket so clubs are still nominating a lot of F grade sides which are a combination of 2 day / 1 day cricket. Until nobody nominates sides in F grade leave it the way it is
 
Underarm28 said:
Only way this works if there are no bowling restrictions on Juniors. All can bowl thei 7 or 8 in a row. Having to stop after 5 usually sees them not getting a second spell.
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Surely this could be looked at.
What ages is this set for now? Under 14's or is it higher?
Agree that they need to be able to bowl a full spell, although if it was 40 overs with a maximum of 6 overs being bowled per player, then this means that more people are getting a go.
 
CricketBox said:
Twos cricketers need to be playing 2 day cricket.

We’ve already got an issue with kids not being able to bat long periods. One day cricket also means less significant batting innings for the middle and lower order who might only bat every second game or have to come in every week in the 38th over.

Not ideal preparation for a game in the ones, nor preparing them well for their cricketing career.

IMO of course.
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Glad to have opinions...

Surely it's up to Club captains to be rotating the order as well, which gives more players an opportunity to bat higher up the order. Playing 1 day cricket gives all players around 20 chances to bat during the season, whereas now,

It's not always just a matter of going the slog and players can still build innings, whilst also learning how to find the boundaries through creating instead of just playing the day out.
If teams bat out 80/68 overs, and players sit there and don't get a bat (or field all day and don't get a bowl - and then make a duck or get a stinker the next week) they are a greater chance to be lost to the game.
 
PremiersAgain said:
Not in the slightest.

I have no doubt that all the grades would be more even across the board if their was more movement up and down

100% this

I think there is an air of inevitability in that we will lose 2 day cricket from below E grade. In saying that we currently have G grade as allocated 1 day cricket so clubs are still nominating a lot of F grade sides which are a combination of 2 day / 1 day cricket. Until nobody nominates sides in F grade leave it the way it is
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I don't think that 'leaving the way it is' is the way forward.

Need to be innovative and provide opportunities for players, both young and old, to be involved in the game, or we risk losing them. I love 2 day cricket, but it's not the be all and end all, if young players are good enough to excel and play 2 day cricket in a bid to go on to a much higher level, let them go and play District and Sub-District cricket - they come back bigger and better, with greater training standards that they can implement at the local clubs to get more out of all of the players.
 
WanderingUnity said:
I don't think that 'leaving the way it is' is the way forward.

Need to be innovative and provide opportunities for players, both young and old, to be involved in the game, or we risk losing them. I love 2 day cricket, but it's not the be all and end all, if young players are good enough to excel and play 2 day cricket in a bid to go on to a much higher level, let them go and play District and Sub-District cricket - they come back bigger and better, with greater training standards that they can implement at the local clubs to get more out of all of the players.
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Great post
 
The reason the Reserve grades went was there was a disparity between how clubs viewed this grade. There was no relegation or promotion so sides either played all kids to develop them, played their second best team or played a bunch of mates to keep them happy. With no real vision for that grade there is no good reason to reintroduce. There is no innovation from Premier clubs. They should have an under 19 and 21 grade for the good kids that want to try the next level and have a draft to select those kids. If after playing to the end of under 21's they cant or dont want to continue then they need to be returned to their ORIGINAL clubs and then continue playing there. We also had a Sat morning comp for the better under 12 players a few years ago that allowed the better kids the opportunity to bat for longer periods to develop their game. Lazy administrators have let that go.
 
Pick Will Pukovski said:
The reason the Reserve grades went was there was a disparity between how clubs viewed this grade. There was no relegation or promotion so sides either played all kids to develop them, played their second best team or played a bunch of mates to keep them happy. With no real vision for that grade there is no good reason to reintroduce. There is no innovation from Premier clubs. They should have an under 19 and 21 grade for the good kids that want to try the next level and have a draft to select those kids. If after playing to the end of under 21's they cant or dont want to continue then they need to be returned to their ORIGINAL clubs and then continue playing there. We also had a Sat morning comp for the better under 12 players a few years ago that allowed the better kids the opportunity to bat for longer periods to develop their game. Lazy administrators have let that go.
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I would argue that 19 - 21 is too late to go from local competition to Premier Competition.

My thoughts would be just your 2nd XI is playing a reserve grade. Call it B, C, D grades currently. Option is then there for a clubs 3rd XI team to play in either 2 day cricket competition or a dedicated one day comp from the essentially 7th tier down.

Barclay Shield - 80 Over
Barclay Reserve - 80 Over
Money Shield - 80 Over
Money Reserve - 80 Over
Mash Shield - 80 Over
Mash Reserve - 80 Over
E Grade - 3rd XI 2 Day 70 Over
F Grade - 3rd XI 2 Day 70 Over
G Grade and below - One Day Comp 40 or 35 overs)
T20 Grade also could be an option.. it will bring in some extra players to some clubs.
 
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