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Dave
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
removing the salary cap is the worst thing they could do.
removing the salary cap is the worst thing they could do.
Indian Premier/Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
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aussieman
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
i'm enjoying the ipl (what's the icl?
) - but there is far too much of it. The first few games were interesting, there have been some good games, some of it is rather ordinary. Far too many games are being played of the one concept - there are only so many sixes you can see at 40 overs of cricket.
far too much - this is where the Twenty20 World Champs last year were so good - all over in 2 and a bit weeks, fantastic cricket and over quickly. this is going to be going for 6 weeks.
By the end of the 6 weeks who is going to care?
it is like watching the 07 World Cup in the Carribean again.
Hope they don't remove the salary cap either.
i'm enjoying the ipl (what's the icl?
) - but there is far too much of it. The first few games were interesting, there have been some good games, some of it is rather ordinary. Far too many games are being played of the one concept - there are only so many sixes you can see at 40 overs of cricket.far too much - this is where the Twenty20 World Champs last year were so good - all over in 2 and a bit weeks, fantastic cricket and over quickly. this is going to be going for 6 weeks.
By the end of the 6 weeks who is going to care?
it is like watching the 07 World Cup in the Carribean again.
Hope they don't remove the salary cap either.
Tassietigersrule
Member
Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
Yeah, removing the salary cap is going to be potentially very damaging to international cricket. So, what next?
Does this just be included in the international calender?
There does seem to be too much of it. How long does it go for again? It's dragging on a bit if it goes on for months and months.
And if the ICC does give into India's demands and includes it on the international calendar, what demands next?
The BCCI do seem like an irritable child. If the ICC cave in ONCE AGAIN to them, it would be like giving chocolates to a spoilt child who will only stop being naughty if they are given chocolates. If the BCCI were children, you could teach them that they can't be given chocolates all the time simply to stop being naughty. The BCCI are run by adults, it's high time they started behaving like adults and stop bullying the rest of the world.
Yeah, removing the salary cap is going to be potentially very damaging to international cricket. So, what next?
Does this just be included in the international calender?
There does seem to be too much of it. How long does it go for again? It's dragging on a bit if it goes on for months and months.
And if the ICC does give into India's demands and includes it on the international calendar, what demands next?
The BCCI do seem like an irritable child. If the ICC cave in ONCE AGAIN to them, it would be like giving chocolates to a spoilt child who will only stop being naughty if they are given chocolates. If the BCCI were children, you could teach them that they can't be given chocolates all the time simply to stop being naughty. The BCCI are run by adults, it's high time they started behaving like adults and stop bullying the rest of the world.
Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
It's very worrying for international cricket. Removing the salary cap will mean the sky's the limit in terms of paying players. The top players could be paid tens of millions of dollars for playing in the tournament which is far greater than what they could earn playing for their country. Hence we could see a lot of "retirements" and people quitting international level just for the lucrative money the IPL offers.
My opinion has changed on this matter, I saw the advantages and disadvantages before of this tournament occuring but now it doesn't do anything for international cricket. The BCCI only saw greed when developing this project and also as revenge against the ICL for starting up their own Twenty20 tournament. It was basically a power grab for control of cricket in India. It's obviously worked.
What has been said earlier is right though, the BCCI are only going to want more power, asking the ICC for an international break for the IPL reeks of arrogance and I feel that the ICC might buckle and give in to their requests. The only way to stop that would to ban all international players from playing in the tournament and even then you could see a few players bit the bullet and retire. If the ICC gave in, it would only leave the BCCI even more powerful and that is not at all good for the sport, no cricket board should exert so much influence over the entire cricket world.
The tournament itself isn't bad but it is far too long. Seven weeks of this is overkill in my opinion, it shouldn't be longer than one month and even then it would be a stretch. Current interest in the series seems to have waned, almost to the point where it is boring. Twenty20 seems to be best in small doses, perhaps the novelty is wearing off?
It's very worrying for international cricket. Removing the salary cap will mean the sky's the limit in terms of paying players. The top players could be paid tens of millions of dollars for playing in the tournament which is far greater than what they could earn playing for their country. Hence we could see a lot of "retirements" and people quitting international level just for the lucrative money the IPL offers.
My opinion has changed on this matter, I saw the advantages and disadvantages before of this tournament occuring but now it doesn't do anything for international cricket. The BCCI only saw greed when developing this project and also as revenge against the ICL for starting up their own Twenty20 tournament. It was basically a power grab for control of cricket in India. It's obviously worked.
What has been said earlier is right though, the BCCI are only going to want more power, asking the ICC for an international break for the IPL reeks of arrogance and I feel that the ICC might buckle and give in to their requests. The only way to stop that would to ban all international players from playing in the tournament and even then you could see a few players bit the bullet and retire. If the ICC gave in, it would only leave the BCCI even more powerful and that is not at all good for the sport, no cricket board should exert so much influence over the entire cricket world.
The tournament itself isn't bad but it is far too long. Seven weeks of this is overkill in my opinion, it shouldn't be longer than one month and even then it would be a stretch. Current interest in the series seems to have waned, almost to the point where it is boring. Twenty20 seems to be best in small doses, perhaps the novelty is wearing off?
D.K
Active Member
Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
Not even bothering to switch on the tv much anymore to watch it. It was okay but now same sorta thing happens each game win the toss, bowl and then try and chase it down. Scores arent exceptional high, the batting isn't that interesting and the bowling could be improved
Give me ODI cricket over this BCCI crap
Not even bothering to switch on the tv much anymore to watch it. It was okay but now same sorta thing happens each game win the toss, bowl and then try and chase it down. Scores arent exceptional high, the batting isn't that interesting and the bowling could be improved
Give me ODI cricket over this BCCI crap
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aussieman
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
what is now beyond me is how this could go another few years. There is no way every year that international cricket could come to a halt for a tournament that takes a good 50 days or so to complete.
Is this a one hit wonder?
i see it being that way - it'll still be on next year, but will it have the same impact as this year? it's like watching Big Brother, first year was fantastic - the idea was new, the concept was simple, and it offered something different, the 2nd year it was okay, by the 3rd year we couldn't care less because we had seen it all before (now Big Brother is past the ridiculous point - but we won't go there). The IPL can only hang around for a certain period of time before it comes stale.
Thoughts that have come to my mind recently is they need to make a World Premier League, have relegations/promotions into a few divisions, with different cities around the world. A Sydney team, a team from London, Kolkata, Lahore, Auckland etc.
Just a thought anyway.
what is now beyond me is how this could go another few years. There is no way every year that international cricket could come to a halt for a tournament that takes a good 50 days or so to complete.
Is this a one hit wonder?
i see it being that way - it'll still be on next year, but will it have the same impact as this year? it's like watching Big Brother, first year was fantastic - the idea was new, the concept was simple, and it offered something different, the 2nd year it was okay, by the 3rd year we couldn't care less because we had seen it all before (now Big Brother is past the ridiculous point - but we won't go there). The IPL can only hang around for a certain period of time before it comes stale.
Thoughts that have come to my mind recently is they need to make a World Premier League, have relegations/promotions into a few divisions, with different cities around the world. A Sydney team, a team from London, Kolkata, Lahore, Auckland etc.
Just a thought anyway.
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Chandu
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
Well, the following article doesn't specifically talk about length of IPL season and how they ended up playing few dead-rubber matches with no meaning to them. But it predicts a demise of ODI format. I had written about imminent death of ODI myself somewhere else, because now it has an identity crisis. I kind of agree with that part of this article.
The death of the ODI?
Guru™;218058 said:
Well, the following article doesn't specifically talk about length of IPL season and how they ended up playing few dead-rubber matches with no meaning to them. But it predicts a demise of ODI format. I had written about imminent death of ODI myself somewhere else, because now it has an identity crisis. I kind of agree with that part of this article.
The death of the ODI?
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Chandu
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Re: Indian Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
Another funny thing which should be mentioned:
This entire thread started due to formation of ICL which predated the formation of IPL. In fact, IPL was formed urgently by BCCI due to threat posed to BCCI /ICC by ICL. In hindsight, IPL stole ICL's spotlight coming from behind. IPL were in a position of strength compared to ICL due to better media rights/BCCI backing. Following is the fixture list for ICL, but I doubt hardly anyone even noticed, compared to how much publicity IPL got.
http://www.indiancricketleague.in/fixtures/fixtures.html
My easy prediction is that ICL will now die after this single season. They did serve the purpose of lighting a fire under ICC/BCCI's arses, but I hope that was the sole purpose for their existence.
Another funny thing which should be mentioned:
This entire thread started due to formation of ICL which predated the formation of IPL. In fact, IPL was formed urgently by BCCI due to threat posed to BCCI /ICC by ICL. In hindsight, IPL stole ICL's spotlight coming from behind. IPL were in a position of strength compared to ICL due to better media rights/BCCI backing. Following is the fixture list for ICL, but I doubt hardly anyone even noticed, compared to how much publicity IPL got.
http://www.indiancricketleague.in/fixtures/fixtures.html
My easy prediction is that ICL will now die after this single season. They did serve the purpose of lighting a fire under ICC/BCCI's arses, but I hope that was the sole purpose for their existence.
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Chandu
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Re: Indian Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
Zee to launch multi-media ICL campaign
Come on ICL, you need to get ready for your obituary. As I said before, it has served the purpose it intended in its infancy, but has no relevance now due to IPL. There is no place for ICL to exist in a saturated (media) market. They should rescind the bans on rebel players who had joined ICL, and dissolve it once and for all.
Zee to launch multi-media ICL campaign
Come on ICL, you need to get ready for your obituary. As I said before, it has served the purpose it intended in its infancy, but has no relevance now due to IPL. There is no place for ICL to exist in a saturated (media) market. They should rescind the bans on rebel players who had joined ICL, and dissolve it once and for all.
D.K
Active Member
Re: Indian Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
Agree you can't have two similar compeitions going at once. ICL needs to go and the IPL will follow suit shortly after. The worldwide support isn't there for what the tournament wanted, all the revune will be coming from the Indians. If the pay keeps up high the top players will still want to play but it won't be a very prestigous gig.
Chandu;219606 said:
Agree you can't have two similar compeitions going at once. ICL needs to go and the IPL will follow suit shortly after. The worldwide support isn't there for what the tournament wanted, all the revune will be coming from the Indians. If the pay keeps up high the top players will still want to play but it won't be a very prestigous gig.
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Chandu
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Re: Indian Premier/Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
Changed the title of thread to reflect that we're discussing both ICL and IPL here.
Why do you think IPL will follow suit? There are in fact talks of extending IPL model to other countries - England, Australia, SA etc. with full ICC support.
Changed the title of thread to reflect that we're discussing both ICL and IPL here.
Guru said:
Why do you think IPL will follow suit? There are in fact talks of extending IPL model to other countries - England, Australia, SA etc. with full ICC support.
Re: Indian Premier/Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
There's no dount the game has changed and will change. I am doing some research into the future development of cricket and one small element of it is the following survey. It will only take 2 minutes and if its cricket you love, your participation would be great.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=_2bIVL1MPgAoub6CBIKmAHtQ_3d_3d[/URL]
Looking foward to India and a solid summer of cricket downunder. Cheers.
There's no dount the game has changed and will change. I am doing some research into the future development of cricket and one small element of it is the following survey. It will only take 2 minutes and if its cricket you love, your participation would be great.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=_2bIVL1MPgAoub6CBIKmAHtQ_3d_3d[/URL]
Looking foward to India and a solid summer of cricket downunder. Cheers.
Kshitiz
New Member
Re: Indian Premier/Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
Well things always do change and I think they're changing for the good. Comeon guys, we've not already abandoned Test Cricket, it is there for those who love to play and those who love to watch it.
The only reason why IPL shot to such heights immediately because 20-20 cricket is all about entertainment.
The statements that 20-20 is not cricket are not exactly correct. Cricket is a game. A game can have many forms. 20-20 is a form of Cricket different than Test or one day. To say that 20-20 is not "cricket" is actually baseless.
Well things always do change and I think they're changing for the good. Comeon guys, we've not already abandoned Test Cricket, it is there for those who love to play and those who love to watch it.
The only reason why IPL shot to such heights immediately because 20-20 cricket is all about entertainment.
The statements that 20-20 is not cricket are not exactly correct. Cricket is a game. A game can have many forms. 20-20 is a form of Cricket different than Test or one day. To say that 20-20 is not "cricket" is actually baseless.