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Hmmm, I never thought I'd say this, but what I wouldn't give for some rain! Went down the field today and could hardly get the ball to turn at all unless I put backspin on it as well. I also discovered that I've completely lost my topspinner. For some reason I just can't get the ball even remotely accurate when attempting to impart overspin on it. I was either releasing the ball way too late and just lobbing it down at my feet, or too early and sending it miles over the imaginary batsman's head.
On the plus side, I've got a wicked flipper going on, to the point where it's spinning back and dying so much, it's almost bouncing twice. (which according to the laws of the game is actually legal, as long as it doesn't bounce more than twice.)
 
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Regarding field placing Philpott advices to a right hander
1) On the offside
slip
point
cover
short extra cover
mid off

2) On legside

square leg
deep square leg
short mid wicket
mid on
He states that only two fieldsmen are behind the stumps besides the wk . Just pitch it up and encourage the batsman to drive. Oh, and pitch it on middle and off. Sooooo simple :cursing: :cry
 
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Okay, a pop quiz, leggies - there are no prizes, or even right answers I'm just curious to see how everyone would deal with the situation.

Wind: 10mph blowing down the wicket.
Pitch: Absolutely rock hard and very very flat, next to no turn. Stacks of bounce though.
Ball: Still fairly hard, with a pronounced seam.
Situation: It's a 45-over match, with bowlers allowed to bowl up to 10 overs each. Your team won the toss and put the opposition into bat. At first change, they're on 41-2 off 12 overs. One of the openers is still in, and is looking in good nick, looking to get to the pitch of the ball at every opportunity, and you think he'll probably try and charge you first chance he gets. The other batsman is new to the crease, but is known as a very defensive player who is exceptionally good off his legs. Both are right handers.
The captain gives you the ball. You'll be bowling into the wind, and your first delivery is at the new batsman. How are you going to set the field, and what is your plan of attack?
 
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We'll go for this time of the year, and the sun is more or less directly overhead, so it's unlikely to be interfering with anyone's line of sight (unless you get truly ridiculous levels of flight!)
 
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Good to hear you're getting the Flipper wired. Yep when you get em going well - you're right they almost stop. Is it turning into off at all?

But your scenario - hmmm so the suns up there in the sky at this time of year and the winds blowing against you? So this Sunday that would be easterly wind and at 2pm the sun would be going into the west from a southerly axis. So that means the sun is high to his left. So a loopy flipper that almost stalls (And could go for a no ball if it does bounce 3 times) pitch it ridiculously high so he has to look up for it and pitch it on a good to full length so it is almost dropping down on him out of the sun from a vertical angle! He could easily screw it up and what with it being your first ball and it is going to take him by surprise even if does hit it! I dunno - what would he make of such an unorthodox approach - would it make him think this blokes crap or this blokes got something up his sleeve here? :laugh:

I'd more than likely do as Simbazz has suggested to me before on here the first over - nice and consistent. 6 top spinners straight down the middle fairly short half decent pace and see what he does and then start your attack.

Fielding positions I'm not even going to pretend I've got any idea on that front!
 
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ok... even on a non turning pitch i can still get turn, i just can and ull have to trust me here. Mr defense.... im setting a quite aggressive field, 1st slip, shotr leg and point all looking for catches, i have a man at a medium distance long on and a shortish long off. man at square leg, short midwicket. deepish point and mid cover. im gonna bowl middle and leg stump leg breaks, trying to rip it real hard with a good portion of topspin as well. if he wants to play me off his legs, im gonna back me to get him out cause of the turn i get. im gonna try and bowl this over middlish pace, maybe send down a quicker one 4th or 5th. hopefully the extra bounce will do him in if he gets too forward.
if ive shown him some good turn, he might be tempted to leave me outisde off and so i might throw him a rong un but only iff he played and missed at a big leggie.
 
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Okay, but what if we're talking a completely dead pitch where turn wasn't an option? This was the point of the question, as I'm interested in seeing how everyone would deal with what is a fairly big problem for any spinner.
 
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My plan would be similar to Dave's. First over I'd be looking to just bowl leg breaks in the hope of getting one to bite and surprise the batsman. However, the real plan would be to get him used to the bounce and carry of the ball off the pitch. I might even decide to throw in a nice short one that will sit up nicely for him - if he hammers me for four, good. This means he's taken the bait. If not, no problem, it's another dot ball. The reasoning for tossing up the short one is that in another couple of overs I'll be throwing down another one, only this one will be a flipper, and hopefully catch him on the back foot. If I end up facing the other batsman, I'd be pitching it right up and inviting him to drive it on the bounce, once again in preparation for the flipper later on.
 
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id be careful bowling a flipper to early on in an innings, and yeah, if there was absolutely no turn, i might be able to muster 5 inches with a massive leg break but id probably bowl with alot more over spin and on an off stump line looking to bowl defensively
 
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someblokecalleddave said:
Good to hear you're getting the Flipper wired. Yep when you get em going well - you're right they almost stop. Is it turning into off at all?

But your scenario - hmmm so the suns up there in the sky at this time of year and the winds blowing against you? So this Sunday that would be easterly wind and at 2pm the sun would be going into the west from a southerly axis. So that means the sun is high to his left. So a loopy flipper that almost stalls (And could go for a no ball if it does bounce 3 times) pitch it ridiculously high so he has to look up for it and pitch it on a good to full length so it is almost dropping down on him out of the sun from a vertical angle! He could easily screw it up and what with it being your first ball and it is going to take him by surprise even if does hit it! I dunno - what would he make of such an unorthodox approach - would it make him think this blokes crap or this blokes got something up his sleeve here? :laugh:

I'd more than likely do as Simbazz has suggested to me before on here the first over - nice and consistent. 6 top spinners straight down the middle fairly short half decent pace and see what he does and then start your attack.

Fielding positions I'm not even going to pretend I've got any idea on that front!
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Damn i've train your well Dave :p

Find the length, find the line, find the speed...Then you can find your attack, you don't need to attack a batsmen all the time from ball one, to ball 60 (10 over spell ofcourse) you could even go for 2 overs of just nicely placed tweakers, then plan an attack.

Its all about fussing out (finding out) a batsmen, is he weak on the offside/legside? Likes short ones/full ones? If theres a bit of drift, how does he react?

You should be building him up in your head, then plan an attack with the captain with field placings etc.
 
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Yeah - it was good advice. I've just had a practice session with one of the other Leg Spinners (See the blog section) and that was very interesting. I've said before there's 4 of us in the same team, our captain who holds the current record for the most wickets last season and then a bloke they call "The Wizard" who's chasing the captains crown for most wickets. The teams got this sweepstake/bet thing going on and a lot of people have their money on the Wizard. I practiced with the Wizard tonight and I think the consensus is that I've moved quite some way in front of him with regards to being a spin bowler. He's not practiced at all over the winter whereas me as you all know have been out there with my Hockey Balls in freezing weather following your advice about getting the line and length right with my top spinners. I now hit the stumps all the time and can vary pace, length, width, flight as and when I want and when I want to bowl a big turning wrong un I can. It's all been down to the fact that all I do is bowl and spin - bowl and spin - bowl and spin and listen to you blokes.

So - Cheers Simbazz you've been instrumental in the process.
 
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I find no other thing better, except maybe bed-time activities :p but it comes close, to helping out a fellow cricketer.

The best thing to do is keep it simple, if you get confused in your head, it'll just mess your bowling up likewise.

I check the forums every few days, but if i miss a question, simply PM the link to the post, or ask me in the PM and i'll answer :)

I always look out for your posts in here Dave so don't worry.
 
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Okay, but what if we're talking a completely dead pitch where turn wasn't an option? This was the point of the question, as I'm interested in seeing how everyone would deal with what is a fairly big problem for any spinner.
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With a dead pitch I'd bowl top spinners initially as I said in the Simbazz way. Short to medium length straight down the middle and see what he makes of that. I like Simbazz's idea of keeping consistent for 2 overs - this sounds good with regards a good batsman as it you might stand a chance of lulling him into a false sense of security. He might start to believe the top spinner is your only ball and I don't think I'd even put that much spin on it during those 2 overs. By which time you'd hope to have him skipping down the wicket putting the ball into the next county and then you attack.
 
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someblokecalleddave said:
With a dead pitch I'd bowl top spinners initially as I said in the Simbazz way. Short to medium length straight down the middle and see what he makes of that. I like Simbazz's idea of keeping consistent for 2 overs - this sounds good with regards a good batsman as it you might stand a chance of lulling him into a false sense of security. He might start to believe the top spinner is your only ball and I don't think I'd even put that much spin on it during those 2 overs. By which time you'd hope to have him skipping down the wicket putting the ball into the next county and then you attack.
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Maybe 2 overs is slightly too long, 1.3/1.4 overs would be effective at times, specially if you can watch the batsmen beforehand and see what he's playing like, then you can cut 2 overs down.

The more confidence you gain, the earlier you can form plans to batsmen, the better.

Dave, theres nothing wrong with sussing out a batsmen from ball 1 onwards, but I generally look were they're scoring, think it through and when i get on, plug those gaps, or drop people back and just pray the ball comes out well :p
 
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My only type of training in winter is 2 overs each week in indoor cricket. I got a bit of turn last night with the yellow ball.
 
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Hi guys, I am also a legspinner and would like to pick you brains abit :D

I used to bowl chest on legspin and turn a fair bit. Then I looked at a few coaching sites and they seemed to advise bowling side on as this involves the body more. I tried this last year for some reason am actually turning and dipping it significantly less then before. So my question is do you bowl side on or chest on? To me it seems more intuitive to bowl legspin chest on and as I dont practice in the week (my club side does not provide those facilities) side on seems very complex. Is it worth it?
Cheers
 
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When bowling , do you keep your eyes on your target before and at release of the ball. I really have to concentrate to do this as my tendency is to look at my hand when bowling.
Also what can you do to bowl fuller besides getting more momentum in the run up?
Last thing I find that when bowling the slider ( backspinning topspinner as philpott calls it) i fell like i am mainly throwing it rather than bowling it, but it does have back spin as it travels further and bounces less and skids
 
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Natural is the way to go. Any decent coach will tell you that, theres far too many coaches out there ruining kids by getting them to fit into a mould, like making fast bowlers bowl all the same, and spinners bowl all alike. There needs to be naturalness in the game, else Murali wouldn't be as good as he is, would he?

So stick to what brings you the goods and what feels natural!
 
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