McGain is hopeless?

[Mousey]

Re: McGain is hopeless?

I just find in funny that after 18 months of hearing Victorians pump the bloke up as being such a talented bowler he gets absolutely slaughtered

Breeno and I have been against him since he came into the picture.

You would think he would struggle to get another game and may go down as one of the worst players to get a baggy green. I do feel a bit sorry for him though he seems like a good bloke, maybe he might get another chance and play well you never know.

I know everyone likes to bash Hauritz but I think he might be the best option for England, he bowled economically and picked up the odd wicket in the recent Tests. Krezja still needs to work on his game IMO.

I agree. I like Hauritz and he is the best option, but I don't think its essential to play a spinner anyway so maybe 4 pacemen is the way to go.

 

[Buddy23#]

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Shane Warne's first test innings figures, 1/150 of 45 overs.
First series figures of 1/228. His next match against Sri Lanka, First innings figures 0/107. Went on to have a moderately successful career. McGain's not going to do that, they wont play him, and he's a bit old to play another 15 years. But even the great man struggled early

 

[distributer of pain]

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i dont think theres any doubt he"s better than what he showed in the test match, but he"s not getting any younger and i really doubt whether we"ll see him again, i suppose its out of hauritz and krazy now if they want a specialist spinner, or they could play symonds and north in the same team and make katich bowl, that would give us at least basic spin options and it would really strenghen our batting. ??

my revised 1st ashes team. mcdonald 12th man.

katich
hughes
rogers
clarke
ponting
north
symonds
haddin
johnson
siddle
clarke

 

[the lion]

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honestly cant see why krejza hasnt been given a 2nd chance?????
sure he only took 1 wicket against south africa in perth... but i think after his 12 wicket peformance on debut he deserves a few more games,
he gets hit around a bit (less than mcgain) but generally takes wickets which is what we want
also can contribute with the bat which is more than handy for a bowler to be able to do
thoughts?

 

[breeno]

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honestly cant see why krejza hasnt been given a 2nd chance?????
sure he only took 1 wicket against south africa in perth... but i think after his 12 wicket peformance on debut he deserves a few more games,
he gets hit around a bit (less than mcgain) but generally takes wickets which is what we want
also can contribute with the bat which is more than handy for a bowler to be able to do
thoughts?

Agreed.

 

[gbatman]

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terrible debut, give him another go though.

 

[Sober Symonds]

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There's still plenty to play for, believe me. A number of the Australian players are playing for a spot on the Ashes tour. Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Hughes, McDonald are all fighting for their spots here. The series might be a foregone conclusion but these guys would all be wanting to lock in their spots for the tour of England. The same principle applies for South Africa. Ashwell Prince is trying to gain a permanent spot in the Protea side, as is Albie Morkel. Paul Harris is under a bit of pressure to retain his place. The series may be gone but these players are all playing to keep a spot or at least stay in the

They're all playing to keep their spot, so this test isn't as dead as you may think. Blaming McGain's poor bowling on the match being a "dead rubber" is a laughable argument and is one amongst the others that have been thrown around over the past couple of days.

I didn't blame the dead rubber syndrome on McGain's bowling. Yes he's been poor but they didnt pick him for no reason.

the dead rubber sydrome is in relation to the poor showing of the australian's in general. only siddle bowled well, johnson is parts. I feel siddle and hughes have already booked their ticket to London, with only hilfy and Ronald MacDonald being those feeling the pinch.

Very harsh indeed, LJP. You are indeed entitled to your opinion. Perhaps though you need to remember that it may not always be the only right one. Brushing off the dead rubber syndrome is not so easy. Time and again series losers have chimed in to win the last Test, and it has very often been Australia's opponents who have done it.

McDonald would have been batting for pride and/or a spot, but I doubt it will help him ultimately. Having said that, England is probably an ideal place for him (and I don't mean his complexion!). Hussey was one who would have been searching for a good outcome, but his touch and confidence is well gone. Time for a spell for him. The other players you mentioned would be reasonably comfortable with their positions in the squad at least.
Certainly SA had more to play for and had to respond. We all know they have the skills to play the way they did, only when it mattered their old mental fragilities showed up once more. In this Test, they all had a reason to hit back hard. As for Aus, from the very start you could see they weren't as determined as the previous fortnight. Fancy submitting your first two wickets without going to a referral which would have seen them both remain intact. To be all out for 200 on that deck set the tone.

Perhaps the more senior batsmen need to take a good, hard look. Katich has suddenly gone back to his old ways of poking around like it's all about saving his spot, after looking like a completely transformed man only weeks ago. Ponting and Clarke are falling for the same tricks time and again, and have been glossed-over by the efforts of Hughes and the bowlers. The entire top 7 have gone to a level of inconsistency not seen in the national side for many a year.

I have to agree with some of the last comments, in that Krezja does deserve another chance, and I think so does McGain. As I said, England is a different proposition again and both of those guys could cause them no end of difficulty. You can't judge them solely on one (or two) performances, as graphic as they may have been. Otherwise, you'd boot Hughes after his first innings, and there are plenty of great cricketers who have started in shocking fashion.

 

[distributer of pain]

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clarke just seems to be going through the motions to me, he seems to get his 40/50 and goes out, he doesnt seem hungry, i think we may have been hasty in giving him the vice captaincy, if ponting were to retire now i certainly wouldnt want him running the show, id give it to hadden.

 

[Sober Symonds]

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clarke just seems to be going through the motions to me, he seems to get his 40/50 and goes out, he doesnt seem hungry, i think we may have been hasty in giving him the vice captaincy, if ponting were to retire now i certainly wouldnt want him running the show, id give it to hadden.

I'm with you there (and so is Simon Katich, I'm guessing!), even though there aren't that many obvious choices in waiting. At least there weren't when he was annointed.
He does let himself and the team down by giving up his wicket too easily. Despite his talent, it certainly doesn't appear as though he entrenches himself at the crease and forces the opposition to get him out.
Am I being a bit conservative to wonder whether his preoccupation with such things as body art, his hair, the high-profile missus just doesn't quite sit right for one who is going to be captain of his country? Fair enough if all his performances are doing the talking, but they're not really. Only once in a while does he play the innings we need.

 

[A.B De Villiers]

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There's still plenty to play for, believe me. A number of the Australian players are playing for a spot on the Ashes tour. Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Hughes, McDonald are all fighting for their spots here. The series might be a foregone conclusion but these guys would all be wanting to lock in their spots for the tour of England. The same principle applies for South Africa. Ashwell Prince is trying to gain a permanent spot in the Protea side, as is Albie Morkel. Paul Harris is under a bit of pressure to retain his place. The series may be gone but these players are all playing to keep a spot or at least stay in the

They're all playing to keep their spot, so this test isn't as dead as you may think. Blaming McGain's poor bowling on the match being a "dead rubber" is a laughable argument and is one amongst the others that have been thrown around over the past couple of days.

Very harsh indeed, LJP. You are indeed entitled to your opinion. Perhaps though you need to remember that it may not always be the only right one. Brushing off the dead rubber syndrome is not so easy. Time and again series losers have chimed in to win the last Test, and it has very often been Australia's opponents who have done it.

McDonald would have been batting for pride and/or a spot, but I doubt it will help him ultimately. Having said that, England is probably an ideal place for him (and I don't mean his complexion!). Hussey was one who would have been searching for a good outcome, but his touch and confidence is well gone. Time for a spell for him. The other players you mentioned would be reasonably comfortable with their positions in the squad at least.
Certainly SA had more to play for and had to respond. We all know they have the skills to play the way they did, only when it mattered their old mental fragilities showed up once more. In this Test, they all had a reason to hit back hard. As for Aus, from the very start you could see they weren't as determined as the previous fortnight. Fancy submitting your first two wickets without going to a referral which would have seen them both remain intact. To be all out for 200 on that deck set the tone.

Perhaps the more senior batsmen need to take a good, hard look. Katich has suddenly gone back to his old ways of poking around like it's all about saving his spot, after looking like a completely transformed man only weeks ago. Ponting and Clarke are falling for the same tricks time and again, and have been glossed-over by the efforts of Hughes and the bowlers. The entire top 7 have gone to a level of inconsistency not seen in the national side for many a year.

I have to agree with some of the last comments, in that Krezja does deserve another chance, and I think so does McGain. As I said, England is a different proposition again and both of those guys could cause them no end of difficulty. You can't judge them solely on one (or two) performances, as graphic as they may have been. Otherwise, you'd boot Hughes after his first innings, and there are plenty of great cricketers who have started in shocking fashion.

Could not have said it better myself.

 

[distributer of pain]

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I'm with you there (and so is Simon Katich, I'm guessing!), even though there aren't that many obvious choices in waiting. At least there weren't when he was annointed.
He does let himself and the team down by giving up his wicket too easily. Despite his talent, it certainly doesn't appear as though he entrenches himself at the crease and forces the opposition to get him out.
Am I being a bit conservative to wonder whether his preoccupation with such things as body art, his hair, the high-profile missus just doesn't quite sit right for one who is going to be captain of his country? Fair enough if all his performances are doing the talking, but they're not really. Only once in a while does he play the innings we need.

yeah he never really looks "in" to me and ive rarely seen him dominate a bowling attack, i honestly dont think he"s in the top 20 test batsmen in the world, he"s certainly no match winner, for a player who gets so many 40/50s he doesnt convert often enough, average of 47 and striking at 51 isnt good enough. has it all come a bit easily for him ?, i think he has the talent, he just needs rocket IMO, and maybe he should leave his mrs over at my place for a while, id take very very good care of her. lol.

 

[Ljp86]

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Very harsh indeed, LJP. You are indeed entitled to your opinion. Perhaps though you need to remember that it may not always be the only right one. Brushing off the dead rubber syndrome is not so easy. Time and again series losers have chimed in to win the last Test, and it has very often been Australia's opponents who have done it.

You are right, Australia seem to have a habit of losing games which have no bearing on the series result. However, that's no reason to suggest players played to a lesser extent because the game meant nothing. Australia put in a pretty poor effort, the batting in the first innings was terrible and the bowling at times left a lot to be desired and this was a game where a chance to make a cleansweep was up for grabs. The match also represented a chance for the fringe players to show the selectors why they should be pickein future.

Ashwell Prince managed to make the most of his opportunity after being on the sidelines for the last five tests. It would be very harsh to drop him after making a century on his comeback into the side and a substantial innings at that.

McGain bowled poorly, there's no questioning that. Krejza was jumped on after his game in Perth where he took one wicket and went for 4 runs an over. He was axed after that game and hasn't had a look in since. From that example, McGain should be dropped too, going for more than eight runs an over is rubbish, there's no point in even trying to defend it.

McDonald would have been batting for pride and/or a spot, but I doubt it will help him ultimately. Having said that, England is probably an ideal place for him (and I don't mean his complexion!).

Unfortunately, the selectors will likely persist with McDonald as they need to have an "all-rounder" in the side (even though we have one in Johnson). With Watson always injured and Symonds off galavanting then McDonald seems to be the next best in line and I'm afriad I can't see the selectors changing their minds about trying to create a Flintoff-clone.

Hussey was one who would have been searching for a good outcome, but his touch and confidence is well gone. Time for a spell for him. The other players you mentioned would be reasonably comfortable with their positions in the squad at least.
Certainly SA had more to play for and had to respond. We all know they have the skills to play the way they did, only when it mattered their old mental fragilities showed up once more. In this Test, they all had a reason to hit back hard. As for Aus, from the very start you could see they weren't as determined as the previous fortnight. Fancy submitting your first two wickets without going to a referral which would have seen them both remain intact. To be all out for 200 on that deck set the tone.

Perhaps the more senior batsmen need to take a good, hard look. Katich has suddenly gone back to his old ways of poking around like it's all about saving his spot, after looking like a completely transformed man only weeks ago. Ponting and Clarke are falling for the same tricks time and again, and have been glossed-over by the efforts of Hughes and the bowlers. The entire top 7 have gone to a level of inconsistency not seen in the national side for many a year.

I have to agree with some of the last comments, in that Krezja does deserve another chance, and I think so does McGain. As I said, England is a different proposition again and both of those guys could cause them no end of difficulty. You can't judge them solely on one (or two) performances, as graphic as they may have been. Otherwise, you'd boot Hughes after his first innings, and there are plenty of great cricketers who have started in shocking fashion.

I agree with the Hussey, Katich, Clarke and Ponting angle. All three need to be contributing a lot more. Hussey is probably under the most pressure adnd the Katich who seems to be a lot more reluctant of late which is the complete opposite to how he has been playing. Clarke too has struggled for form, he seems to be getting a lot of starts but then getting out. We looked pretty weak without Marcus North there and that third test was typical of how the first two tests went in Australia, we just looked a batter short ad there was no-one to shore up the middle and lower order. That brings me to my next point, Haddin. Do you think he should be in the side?

Here's an interesting stat,

Simon from UK: "Haddin's let through 183 byes so far, midway through his 15th Test, at a rate of 2.03 per 100 opposition runs scored. Not in the same bracket, however, as England's Prior, whose 252 byes in his first 15 Tests (not including the abandoned Antigua fiasco) are at a rate of 2.95 per 100 opposition runs scored.
Neither has Haddin been particularly quick off the mark, taking nine Tests to reach his first byes century compared with Prior's seven - and this achievement of Prior's is matched by that of another notable England gloveman of recent years, Geraint Jones."

It's interesting reading, Haddin's bye rate is a little high but nowhere near the rates of Jones and Prior. If Haddin's batting begins to drop off, he could be in a bit of danger too.

Whilst I tend to wait with regards to judging players, I don't think McGain has enough time to settle in. At 37, I believe he needs to perform immediately as time is not on his side and he really can't afford a couple of bad games otherwise he risks being dumped for good. He has been overhyped by the media (also by the Vics) and big things were expected of Bryce but he has failed to deliver, so far anyway.

I may have been harsh but his bowling didn't convince me that he deserves another crack. Krejza was dumped after two games even though he took 12 on debut, McGain took zero and went for a lot of runs, he should get the same treatment.

 

[distributer of pain]

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as ive said earlier, pontings time at no3 is over, he needs to be moved to no 5, hussey has to go, and clarke can move to no4 and he is also on my shitlist. remember clarke was originally put in the team as a project player, with our super strong batting line up at the time it was thought we could afford to play a young batsmen with an eye on the future, well, he isnt a "pup" anymore and he certaily hasnt improved like we all hoped "thought" he would, he doesnt respect he"s wicket nearly enough and as i said earlier, averaging 47 and striking at 50 odd at no5 just isnt good enough for a specialist batsmen in the Australian team, i would give him 1/2 series at number 3/4 and if he doesnt improve id be looking elsewhere, i dont think haddins in any danger at all, as long as hes batting is "OK", he is in my opinion the logical choice for our next captain, who else is there ? i also dont think we can afford to play 4 specialist bowlers anymore (even if one is mitch) with our batting consistantly letting us down and no standout spin option, id prefer to play symonds and north in the same team than play hauritz, hauritz isnt a big wkt taker and will only be brought in to keep things tight, something symonds and north are capable of. IMO

 

[distributer of pain]

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whats funny ?

 

[Kram81]

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as i said, its just my opinion, it wasnt hard to be our highest run scorer in the last 2 series, mark waugh, david boon, geoff marsh wernt good enough at test level, at least not at the level of play weve become acustumed too the last 10 years

You are either younger than 14 or on drugs dude. I guess J.Langer averaging 45 wasn't up to it either.

 

[distributer of pain]

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whats he averaged in his last 5 series ?

 

[el-capitano]

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Anyways- back onto Bryce McGain, there's a bit of discussion going on in my blog about him!!

 

[breeno]

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Posts about Michael Clarke and such moved to: http://www.bigcricket.com/forum/t65952/

 

[Caesar]

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averaging 47 and striking at 50 odd at no5 just isnt good enough for a specialist batsmen in the Australian team, i would give him 1/2 series at number 3/4 and if he doesnt improve id be looking elsewhere

Well that's pretty stupid. Might be an idea to check how those stats stack up relatively to everyone else. IIRC he's one of the top five Australian batsmen of the last decade and top 15 of alltime.

 

[distributer of pain]

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stats arnt everything, if you think hes in the top 15 of alltime then thats your problem.