my 20/20 world 11

[King Pietersen]

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Gayle
McCullum +
Pietersen
Yuvraj
Dhoni *
Misbah
Morkel
Vettori
Steyn
Bracken
Gul

As for Warner, he's signed for the Delhi Daredevils, not sure of his price though.

 

[Mousey]

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Misbah is a gun. I should have thought of him!

 

[distributer of pain]

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Gayle
McCullum +
Pietersen
Yuvraj
Dhoni *
Misbah
Morkel
Vettori
Steyn
Bracken
Gul

As for Warner, he's signed for the Delhi Daredevils, not sure of his price though.

i think any team looks better with andrew symonds name in it, i know he"s been a very naughty boy recently but he"s one of the cleanest stikers of a cricket ball going around and he can bat in any situation, simply awesome fielder in close or can field on the rope with his rocket like arm, granted his bowlings just handy at best, but he"s just a star cricketer in my opinion, in all forms of the game.

 

[King Pietersen]

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Andrew Symonds is getting nowhere near my team. He may have a good record, and be a good fielder, but he's an utter arse. If he's not got the detirmination to play for Australia, then he'd not bother turning up for a World XI game. I'd much rather give him time off to go fishing and use Yuvraj instead, Yuvraj is a better part-time all-rounder as well. If Flintoff can't get in my side, then there's little hope for Symonds!

 

[distributer of pain]

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pietersons attitude isnt great either (but i dont know the full story there). but agreed symonds attitude must improve, hopefully the barra arnt running during the ashes lol. he is back playing 1st class cricket at the moment so its a step in the right direction.

 

[King Pietersen]

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You clearly know absoloutely nothing about Kevin Pietersen, and are basing your opinion on him from the ridiculous comments made by Allan Border (iirc) when he left Australia after breaking a rib in the CB series when Border claimed he isn't a Team player and didn't have the detirmination to stick around. Pietersen is completely focused on getting the best of his abilities and helping the England team win cricket matches. He would never miss a training session to go fishing, or call a player from another country a piece of shit. Symonds is a joke of a man, talented cricketer, but he's acted like a complete muppet in the past year or so. I'd never have him anywhere near one of my World XI's in any form of the game. Even Yuvraj Singh's better than Symonds, a cleaner hitter, a better spinner and nowhere near as much of a ********. Although he still a ********.

 

[distributer of pain]

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You clearly know absoloutely nothing about Kevin Pietersen, and are basing your opinion on him from the ridiculous comments made by Allan Border (iirc) when he left Australia after breaking a rib in the CB series when Border claimed he isn't a Team player and didn't have the detirmination to stick around. Pietersen is completely focused on getting the best of his abilities and helping the England team win cricket matches. He would never miss a training session to go fishing, or call a player from another country a piece of shit. Symonds is a joke of a man, talented cricketer, but he's acted like a complete muppet in the past year or so. I'd never have him anywhere near one of my World XI's in any form of the game. Even Yuvraj Singh's better than Symonds, a cleaner hitter, a better spinner and nowhere near as much of a ********. Although he still a ********.

symonds is a mans man, not some tea drinking pom who thinks he knows more about cricket after playing for around 4yrs than a national senior coach like pieterson does, hes a str8 talker and he does a lot for charity in Australia, also yuvraj is more just a hitter than a batsman, symonds is good enough to play as a batsman in our best test line up, and our best test line up is the best, bar none, i bet hed love to play on those small indian grounds and easy batting wickets, also i wouldnt have mccullum and dhoni in the same team, great t/20 hitters but i wouldnt play one of them as a specialist batsman (ia a best of the best line up). also i see no mitchel johnson in your team, hmmm, how do you justify not putting him in ?? hes a great striker of the ball and is considered an allrounder at test level now, test batting average of 28 and has a better ODI bowling average than steyn, cant really get a gage on both of their t/20 averages yet (both played less than 10 games, steyns is better though) johnson picks himself me thinks.

 

[King Pietersen]

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symonds is a mans man, not some tea drinking pom who thinks he knows more about cricket after playing for around 4yrs than a national senior coach like pieterson does,

Playing for around 4 years? You honestly don't know what you're talking about. Pietersen has been playing the game for years, and he didn't claim to know more than Peter Moores. Pietersen didn't like the way Moores was running the team, and felt that England didn't need a coach, and if the ECB didn't agree with him, then why did they sack Moores and then not appoint a coach for the tour of the West Indies?

hes a str8 talker and he does a lot for charity in Australia, also yuvraj is more just a hitter than a batsman, symonds is good enough to play as a batsman in our best test line up, and our best test line up is the best, bar none, i bet hed love to play on those small indian grounds and easy batting wickets

Pietersen's a straight talker, and also does alot for charity in England as well. Doing alot of work with young children, being the face of the Urban Cricket scheme in England, as well as other random charity work. Symonds isn't good enough to play as a batsman in your Test line-up, because if he was, he'd be in there. Instead he's been replaced by Marcus North and even Andrew McDonald. Symonds is a very average Test player, hence his average of 40.

As for easy Indian wickets, if that's the case, why does Symonds only average 12 in Test cricket in Sri Lanka, a place that's very similar to India in terms of conditions? He may have performed in India in ODi's, but that means nothing in the Test game. Ask Stuart Broad!

Also i wouldnt have mccullum and dhoni in the same team, great t/20 hitters but i wouldnt play one of them as a specialist batsman.

Why not? McCullum's the leading run-scorer in T20 cricket, and a fantastic keeper, and Dhoni also has a good T20 record, and is a good T20 captain, as he proved in the IPL and T20 World Cup. There aren't many genuine batsmen that are better finishers than MS Dhoni, so I see no reason not to include him.

also i see no mitchel johnson in your team, hmmm, how do you justify not putting him in ?? hes a great striker of the ball and is considered an allrounder at test level now, test batting average of 28 and has a better ODI bowling average than steyn, cant really get a gage on both of their t/20 averages yet (both played less than 10 games, steyns is better though) johnson picks himself me thinks.

You answered that question yourself. Steyn, Gul and Bracken have better T20 records than Johnson. Steyn's got a better economy, better average (in international and domestic t20 cricket), he's even taken more wickets than Johnson in T20i's and Johnson's played 3 extra games. Gul also has a better economy, better average, has more T20 experience and is a better strike bowler. Bracken similarly has a better record in both international and domestic T20 cricket, and is probably the best One Day seam bowler in the world. I'd actually take Zaheer Khan ahead of Johnson as well.

 

[distributer of pain]

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symonds is good enough to play as a batsman in even our strong test teams of 2,3,years ago, im pretty sure he played a couple and wasnt able to bowl due to injury, average of 40 batting at 5/6 for Australia is much better than it looks, very few not outs and most of the time he was after quick runs because we allready had 300 odd on the board, his big 100s came mostly after a batting collapse when we needed him the most, he"s an awesome striker who has close to a 360 degree range, something a lot of strikers dont have, trust me, he walks str8 back in when he gets his head right, as for T/20 averages, steyns played 5 games, johnsons played 8, you surely dont consider that to be enough to get a true average, i think its safer to go with the ODI averages in this case, then theres mitchs batting as an extra bonus. i really dont think theres a lot between johnson and steyn as bowlers, id be happy with either but id prefer johnson because as i said hes an allrounder and a lefty. i didnt mean leave steyn out of your team, i would just add johnson, thats all. also i meant pietersons only been playing test cricket for 4 years, probably longer but not much. symonds has played around 12 t/20 matches for an average of 56 striking at 170, what more do you want the man to do ?, i wouldnt care if clubbed baby seals, with a record like that hes in my team. brendon mcculum averages low 30s and strikes at 120 and dhoni averages 22 and strkes at 110 and you would put them in before symonds?? and symonds can bowl, just crazy, i hate kevin pieterson more than you hate symonds but at least im able to give credit where its due, pietersons batting at 3 in my team.

 

[distributer of pain]

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and symonds is probably the best allround fielder in the world, t/20 cricket was made for symonds, and you say yuvaj is better than symonds ?? look at the stats, could you explain in which way shape or form yuvaj is better?? hitting (no) batting (no) bowling (no) fielding (no) in every form of the game that is too, maybe you should learn a little more about cricket before making stupid comments, and so what if he didnt turn up to a team meeting (for a game against bangladesh in the off season) and so what if he called harbajan a peice of shit, harbajan racialy abused him in Australia and in india, then didnt tell the truth in the inquiry, symonds must be one of the 1st picked in any world team if your serious about it. heres what cricinfo has to say about him.

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Andrew Symonds brings gusto to whatever he does, whether firing down offbreaks or mediums, hurling his ungainly bulk round the field or vigorously ruffling the bowler's hair at the celebration of a wicket. He saves his loudest grunt for his batting, where he is that rarest of modern-day creatures - an unabashed six-hitter in the mould of a George Bonnor or a Colin Milburn or a David Hookes. Batting for Gloucestershire at 20, he scythed 16 sixes in the first dig [a world record] against Glamorgan at Abergavenny, 20 for the match [another first], and then announced he couldn't care less about the milestone; he wanted only to help his team. He has been matter-of-factly demolishing attacks ever since. His flaw has been to attempt one six too many - invariably off the wrong ball.

"I used to hate watching him bat," his old coach Toot Byron once lamented. "He wasn't in control of his shot-selection ... he'd get 24 off an over and then go out on the last ball of that over." Legend has it that Symonds, a dreadlocked Queensland larrikin, once turned up barefoot and wearing a cowboy hat for a contract meeting with Cricket Australia's then-chief executive Malcolm Speed. He also graciously ruled himself ineligible for any award at the 2006 Allan Border Medal - he would have been the One-Day Player of the Year - after being suspended for turning up drunk before Australia's embarrassing loss to Bangladesh on the 2005 Ashes tour.

During almost five years in and out of the one-day side he frittered away golden opportunities galore. One day changed everything. Striding out with his team in turmoil against Pakistan in the 2003 World Cup, a game and tournament he never expected to play in, Symonds sculpted a masterly 143 not out in 125 balls. Until that day, he had mustered just 762 one-day runs at only 23; ever since he has averaged more than 45 and become a hero to the masses. "In the past," he admits, "I was a man without a map when I went out to bat." Now he understands his one-day role perfectly - he could have claimed to be the side's most valuable player after pounding three hundreds and taking 21 wickets in 2005-06. His impact to the limited-overs outfit was shown the following season after he ripped a tendon from his arm playing a fierce drive. Without him the team struggled to its worst losing streak in a decade. Symonds proved he was an incredibly quick healer by entering the World Cup mid-tournament and was part of his second consecutive triumph.

Born in Birmingham, Symonds could have played for England but dreamed only of wearing the baggy green. In 2004 his fantasy was fulfilled in decidedly unGabbalike surroundings: the crackling minefields of Sri Lanka. He batted gamely without looking altogether comfortable, and was dumped after two Tests. Almost two years later he received an extended run as Australia's selectors searched for an answer to Andrew Flintoff, but he couldn't consistently mirror his one-day performances. Faced with the axe, he cracked a huge six at the MCG to open his scoring in a pressure-relieving 72 from 54 balls, which included a ground-record five maximums, but was dropped on the Bangladesh tour after struggling for reliable impact in the previous series against South Africa. Given another opportunity when Shane Watson was injured and Damien Martyn retired, he appeared in his first Ashes series and reached a career high in his second game with 156 at the MCG. Batting with his fishing friend Matthew Hayden, he showed he had the mindset to make it.

The past year has been easily his best, with 777 runs in nine Tests against Sri Lanka, India and West Indies. The high was an unbeaten 162 in the first innings at the SCG, which was quickly followed by the low of a lengthy race row involving Harbhajan Singh. The problems did not prevent him becoming the most popular overseas player at the Indian Premier League auction, where he sold for US$1.35m, and he had four games with the Deccan Chargers. After the tournament he switched back into five-day mode and a pair of half-centuries in the tight opening contest with West Indies showed his growing batting maturity and sense of security at Test level. By the end of the campaign his average was a respectable 44.65. However, his off-field attitude continued to be a problem and the last straw came when he went fishing in Darwin when he should have been at a team meeting in the lead-up to an ODI series against Bangladesh. Symonds was sent home from the series and not picked for the tour of India in late 2008, although he declared himself keen to return to the top level via state cricket.
Cricinfo staff October 2008