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beached as;346471 said:
Z is a junior I believe. He would only be on incentives with a maybe a small sign on. Windy may be on a little bit, but I'd be staggered if it was close to $10k.
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No junior mate - mid 20's
Has won 3 Comp medals - the money mogels down the road threw heaps at him to come across last season and he stayed put - you work it out
 
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jika jika;346826 said:
You cant be serious. How does limiting bowlers improve matches, its a false economy. If scores are low because of crap wickets, fix the wickets. Bowling restrictions are great in under age cricket, but this is senior first X1 cricket. If your good enough you will bowl, if your not improve.
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this sounds good in theory but the captains in the comp lack any imagination and just bowl the import or paid player from one end no matter , then after the game u hear the others players complaining about not getting a bowl and then become disinterested and play seconds and then the club struggles to get players who want to play ones .

nearly all one day competitions have restrictions so why cant we leave the two dayers for now and at least experiment and then suddenly u find the best TEAM will win games instead of the team with the most money and best player
 
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beached as;346471 said:
Z is a junior I believe. He would only be on incentives with a maybe a small sign on. Windy may be on a little bit, but I'd be staggered if it was close to $10k.
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VTCA website has him listed as a "former professional" with Roach and Windridge declared as the money earners - Father Xmas is alive and well and the Easter Bunny obviously lives at the bottom of your garden.
 
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tim darcy;346864 said:
this sounds good in theory but the captains in the comp lack any imagination and just bowl the import or paid player from one end no matter , then after the game u hear the others players complaining about not getting a bowl and then become disinterested and play seconds and then the club struggles to get players who want to play ones .

nearly all one day competitions have restrictions so why cant we leave the two dayers for now and at least experiment and then suddenly u find the best TEAM will win games instead of the team with the most money and best player
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You want to restrict bowlers because some captains are dumb. Easy solution, sack the captains. And if clubs are relying on blokes who only interest is if they get a bowl, let em play seconds or thirds because under pressure in a final those weak bastards will let you down. Ive spent plenty of Saturdays in the last 10 years watching others in our team bat all day and the Jimmy cans still taste great in the bar that night. Whilst everyone likes to do well, I hope team performance is far more important than individual glory. At some point if your good enough your chance will come, grab it, dont expect a bowl to be handed to you on a plate, earn it
 
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weapons05/06;346126 said:
st albans spending big.......

a mcammond(foots edg) signed 3 year deal........
d wolfe (altona)vsdca...signed
a couple more to come watch this space.........
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Would be interested in finding who those couple more are?
Clearly with D wolfe and MCammond are Top class inclusion at VTCA Nth A level, add to that dunn + a couple of other handy players already there they'll be amongst the top 2 teams to beat.

Am not surprised to hear they have made these inclusions, playing against them this year, could see they were not their usual cocky self assured self, in fact they were one of the easy beats and looking at the fawned sad little faces of their heirarchy could tell they were pondering big spending and return to the top.

Fronting up against 'em this season will not be as easy as the past 2 seasons.
Will be a massive challenge to beat 'em.
 
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beached as;346471 said:
Z is a junior I believe. He would only be on incentives with a maybe a small sign on. Windy may be on a little bit, but I'd be staggered if it was close to $10k.
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Come on mate, are you for real. There is no way on gods green earth Z would play for a small sign on & incentives... would be @ least 6-8k. Windy on a little bit - when we played them talking to some of there current & ex players he was getting 7-8k.
 
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ROY G BIV;346574 said:
Would be interested in finding who those couple more are?
Clearly with D wolfe and MCammond are Top class inclusion at VTCA Nth A level, add to that dunn + a couple of other handy players already there they'll be amongst the top 2 teams to beat.

Am not surprised to hear they have made these inclusions, playing against them this year, could see they were not their usual cocky self assured self, in fact they were one of the easy beats and looking at the fawned sad little faces of their heirarchy could tell they were pondering big spending and return to the top.

Fronting up against 'em this season will not be as easy as the past 2 seasons.
Will be a massive challenge to beat 'em.
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They have slipped away since winning the Nth A2 flag and runners up in Nth A1 a couple of years ago. They have a few good young blokes coming through, but again this takes time. got the money down there to bring in big names. not many in the Nth A that can compete with them on the spending front, but imports dont always win you flags, which has been well documented.
 
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Talking of clubs spending big money what about greenvale ??

pizaro courts would be on 10 grand plus each then kent and innes would be on a fair whack too probably 7 to 8 grand sure is some money being thrown out on north a !

what would most of the paid players be getting paid a season in the comp ? 5 to 10 grand ?? surely the imports must cost a bit as well would have to be at 10 grand ? when u include jobs /airfares / incentives?

another thing surely it is time for the competition to bring in bowler restricitons !!

look at the bowling averages and how many overs the big guns bowled such as pizaro the imports zahorodni averaging around 10 ! while the best bats in the comp were averaging only 30 - 40 , with wickets being very substandard in the comp surely we need to even things up with totals only around 120 -150 reguarly surely we are better off having teams getting 180 - 200 and providing better matches . Restrictions also allow the rest of the team to gain more responsibility and impact in a game instead of being just specialist fielders batting 10 and not bowling!!!
 
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talk;347064 said:
I recently moved to the inner west, and looking for a club to relocate to. Any unbiased opinions ?? Played 1s cricket previously.
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Talk, where have you played previously- comp is fine!
 
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2time;346589 said:
Come on mate, are you for real. There is no way on gods green earth Z would play for a small sign on & incentives... would be @ least 6-8k. Windy on a little bit - when we played them talking to some of there current & ex players he was getting 7-8k.
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Fair enough. I just didn't think Tulla had that sort of money.
 
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7/564;341201 said:
It will be about 55 points per team in the first year,

Off the top off my head 10 Points is Max which will fall to most top grade players ie First class district ect.

4 Points for juniors coming though.

Hardest hit will be the clubs without juniors but i think VTCA will look into this not a major issue as all they have to do is subject some points for them.

They will start the points from the 06-07 season i think so eg someone who is on ten points as off next season the will only be worth 7 one point off 4 every year.

I think it will work, hard to explame but i hope u get the idea :confused:
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EMAIL - To All Clubs

SUBJECT - Player Points System

After a long and exhaustive review and meetings with Clubs, the Association has finally arrived at what is the final version of the Player Points System to be implemented for Season 2009/10. A special thanks must go to all those Club representatives who attended meetings for their input and enthusiasm.

Attached you will find -
.Guidelines on Implementation
.Rating Points to be allocated
.Your 2008/09 1st. X1 playing list (separate attachment)

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.Add to that list any new players ( Including points) that will play 1st. X1 Season 2009/10
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.Return initial list to vtex07 at vtca.asn.auby 16th. May 2009
.Whilst this notification has been sent to all your Clubs nominated contacts, to allow as many people as possible to familiarize themselves with the System, Only one reply per Club is required.

NOTE :
.As a result of the Club Meetings, the Guidelines of Implementation and Point allocation criteria may have changed since your Clubs meeting with the Executive - please review carefully using this attachment and not the one you received at your meeting.
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.The Points Cap for Season 2009/10 will be 54 POINTS





I wasn't far off on the new points system.

Looks good but will be some teething problems for clubs that are close to the max points when it comes to adding up who is on what
 
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So does anyone know the exact structure of the new grades (North, North A and North B)? Will it be 12,8 & 8? I think Nth had 26 teams this yr (6+12+8) which included Hoppers 3rds. So if Altona Roosters and St.Andrews come in, that would be 28. Anymore inclusions or exclusions confirmed? I know the VTCA have put out a letter asking for submissions of grading teams. Any confirmations out there of what the structure will be?
 
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WTF!;347202 said:
So does anyone know the exact structure of the new grades (North, North A and North B)? Will it be 12,8 & 8? I think Nth had 26 teams this yr (6+12+8) which included Hoppers 3rds. So if Altona Roosters and St.Andrews come in, that would be 28. Anymore inclusions or exclusions confirmed? I know the VTCA have put out a letter asking for submissions of grading teams. Any confirmations out there of what the structure will be?
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Im guessing only 8 teams in top north and south grades. If you try to start with 10 or 12 you have to promote teams that didnt win semi finals last year in lower grades.
 
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jika jika;347223 said:
Im guessing only 8 teams in top north and south grades. If you try to start with 10 or 12 you have to promote teams that didnt win semi finals last year in lower grades.
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The way the letter is worded you would think the top North grade will be a min off 10 sides
 
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tim darcy;346641 said:
another thing surely it is time for the competition to bring in bowler restricitons !!

look at the bowling averages and how many overs the big guns bowled such as pizaro the imports zahorodni averaging around 10 ! while the best bats in the comp were averaging only 30 - 40 , with wickets being very substandard in the comp surely we need to even things up with totals only around 120 -150 reguarly surely we are better off having teams getting 180 - 200 and providing better matches . Restrictions also allow the rest of the team to gain more responsibility and impact in a game instead of being just specialist fielders batting 10 and not bowling!!!
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You cant be serious. How does limiting bowlers improve matches, its a false economy. If scores are low because of crap wickets, fix the wickets. Bowling restrictions are great in under age cricket, but this is senior first X1 cricket. If your good enough you will bowl, if your not improve.
 
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I'm with Jika - I think it'll only be 8 - they wont find other teams who want to be promoted I wouldnt think....

The email says only grand finalists will be automatically promoted so others need to apply if they wish to go up.
 
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jika jika;346826 said:
You cant be serious. How does limiting bowlers improve matches, its a false economy. If scores are low because of crap wickets, fix the wickets. Bowling restrictions are great in under age cricket, but this is senior first X1 cricket. If your good enough you will bowl, if your not improve.
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this sounds good in theory but the captains in the comp lack any imagination and just bowl the import or paid player from one end no matter , then after the game u hear the others players complaining about not getting a bowl and then become disinterested and play seconds and then the club struggles to get players who want to play ones .

nearly all one day competitions have restrictions so why cant we leave the two dayers for now and at least experiment and then suddenly u find the best TEAM will win games instead of the team with the most money and best player
 
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OnTheLookout;347290 said:
I'm with Jika - I think it'll only be 8 - they wont find other teams who want to be promoted I wouldnt think....

The email says only grand finalists will be automatically promoted so others need to apply if they wish to go up.
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Greenvale would jump at the chance to play higher and you would think Tulla would as well and there is your 10 teams
 
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tim darcy;346864 said:
this sounds good in theory but the captains in the comp lack any imagination and just bowl the import or paid player from one end no matter , then after the game u hear the others players complaining about not getting a bowl and then become disinterested and play seconds and then the club struggles to get players who want to play ones .

nearly all one day competitions have restrictions so why cant we leave the two dayers for now and at least experiment and then suddenly u find the best TEAM will win games instead of the team with the most money and best player
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You want to restrict bowlers because some captains are dumb. Easy solution, sack the captains. And if clubs are relying on blokes who only interest is if they get a bowl, let em play seconds or thirds because under pressure in a final those weak bastards will let you down. Ive spent plenty of Saturdays in the last 10 years watching others in our team bat all day and the Jimmy cans still taste great in the bar that night. Whilst everyone likes to do well, I hope team performance is far more important than individual glory. At some point if your good enough your chance will come, grab it, dont expect a bowl to be handed to you on a plate, earn it
 
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Transfer news!!

Heard from Footscray united lads that they have snatched T Jeffrey from Avondale Heights CC. ONTheLookout can confrim that..is it true?

I would think that would be a massive blow for Avondale given they will definately lose their Srilankan Import next year -that leaves 'em without their best 2 players fro next season. Add to that Matty Albers and M Dodds leaving the season before some massive talent drain from that club, paying a heavy price for their success. Given all that you woudn't think they would be able to compete if promoted, unlikely they would be competitive even if they stayed down considering the recuitment drive from the likes of st albans and others. Gr$$nvale would certainly be a strong club if they go up, even though they lost the semi to KP.

Anyone else has some transfer news?
 
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I wouldve thought Greenvale / Tulla wouldve wanted to win a NorthA flag first, but if they just want to get to senior division asap I suppose they may take the "bonus" promotion...

TJ will be coaching FUCC this season! Club is very pleased with his signing (but slightly bewildered how quickly news spread given it was only announced last night).

Speaking for myself rather than for the club, he seems to be an excellent bloke and excellent player, perfect choice to lead the club in what is hopefully the start of another strong era .....

One more bowler would be nice though (are there any clubs not thinking this) ?
 
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i believe its a straight swap... suares for jeffrie also heard you ex president is making his way home from avondale.?????
 
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fredbassett;346990 said:
john thrush from albion to coach west meadows
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im hearing different.....john thrush to coach st albans......a mcammond(foots)to captian with david wolfe and a couple other bats from altona(subbies).....you spend good coin you get the good players......
 
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talk;347064 said:
I recently moved to the inner west, and looking for a club to relocate to. Any unbiased opinions ?? Played 1s cricket previously.
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Talk, where have you played previously- comp is fine!
 
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weapons05/06;347331 said:
im hearing different.....john thrush to coach st albans......a mcammond(foots)to captian with david wolfe and a couple other bats from altona(subbies).....you spend good coin you get the good players......
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If what you are saying is correct and Dunn was to play, that would only leave them with 7 points for 5 players, they do have some juniors but it would be tight.
 
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Ifya Adballs;347339 said:
If what you are saying is correct and Dunn was to play, that would only leave them with 7 points for 5 players, they do have some juniors but it would be tight.
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i dunno about this points system mate....to be honest i recon its crap...though the goat herders would be a pretty handy line up.......
 
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So does anyone know the exact structure of the new grades (North, North A and North B)? Will it be 12,8 & 8? I think Nth had 26 teams this yr (6+12+8) which included Hoppers 3rds. So if Altona Roosters and St.Andrews come in, that would be 28. Anymore inclusions or exclusions confirmed? I know the VTCA have put out a letter asking for submissions of grading teams. Any confirmations out there of what the structure will be?
 
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weapons05/06;347343 said:
i dunno about this points system mate....to be honest i recon its crap...though the goat herders would be a pretty handy line up.......
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You dont know about this points system but you reckon its crap??? Sounds logical....... not!!! Mate the comp had to do something about the previous 2 paid player rule, and they have..... lets just give it a chance to play out and then make some constructive crticism. And from what i hear, you wont have to worry about being part of the vtca, so dont worry ya good self over it.....
 
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WTF!;347202 said:
So does anyone know the exact structure of the new grades (North, North A and North B)? Will it be 12,8 & 8? I think Nth had 26 teams this yr (6+12+8) which included Hoppers 3rds. So if Altona Roosters and St.Andrews come in, that would be 28. Anymore inclusions or exclusions confirmed? I know the VTCA have put out a letter asking for submissions of grading teams. Any confirmations out there of what the structure will be?
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Im guessing only 8 teams in top north and south grades. If you try to start with 10 or 12 you have to promote teams that didnt win semi finals last year in lower grades.
 
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weapons05/06;347343 said:
i dunno about this points system mate....to be honest i recon its crap...though the goat herders would be a pretty handy line up.......
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If you dont know, dont presume
 
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jika jika;347223 said:
Im guessing only 8 teams in top north and south grades. If you try to start with 10 or 12 you have to promote teams that didnt win semi finals last year in lower grades.
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The way the letter is worded you would think the top North grade will be a min off 10 sides
 
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jika jika;347360 said:
If you dont know, dont presume
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well the 54 points each team is alocated is crap.......or whatever it is......

the cy boys have spoken.......say hi to steve for me........;) he'd be worth 9 or 10 of the best.......
 
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I'm with Jika - I think it'll only be 8 - they wont find other teams who want to be promoted I wouldnt think....

The email says only grand finalists will be automatically promoted so others need to apply if they wish to go up.
 
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weapons05/06;347363 said:
well the 54 points each team is alocated is crap.......or whatever it is......

the cy boys have spoken.......say hi to steve for me........;) he'd be worth 9 or 10 of the best.......
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Why is it crap?. Do you have a better idea?. Say hi to steve who?. If its steve brne you mean, he will cost a club in the vtca 9 points, and Im sure a bloke who got 60 wickets in nth A 2 yrs ago will pick up a coaching/paid job somewhere, but it wont be with us. You have announced to the world your going to coach Deer Park this year, so Ill give you some advise for free, dont critisize things you dont understand, educate yourself or your coaching stint at Deer Park will be as short as your playing career at West Newport in a premiership year.
 
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