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Ritchie said:
YankeeCricketer YankeeCricketer .
Steve can you tell me who played the very first Test match way back in 1844. No peeking.
The Canada vs US match in NY? I referenced that in an interview I did for a podcast on Wednesday. 10,000 people in attendance
Now who'd have figured that. Surprised me when I first read it. So why didn't cricket take off in both countries on the back of that. Perhaps something to do with the part Britain played in America's past. Firstly the colonial occupation and later the War of Independence. Americans have always had an independent, stand alone nature so wanted a home grown sport to play, baseball, over cricket. At least that is my theory.The Canada vs US match in NY? I referenced that in an interview I did for a podcast on Wednesday. 10,000 people in attendance
Now who'd have figured that. Surprised me when I first read it. So why didn't cricket take off in both countries on the back of that. Perhaps something to do with the part Britain played in America's past. Firstly the colonial occupation and later the War of Independence. Americans have always had an independent, stand alone nature so wanted a home grown sport to play, baseball, over cricket. At least that is my theory.
Steve can you tell me the story behind the creation of The Ashes, the two yearly competition played between Australia and England.
Very interesting read. Perhaps the Canucks embraced ice hockey over those other two sports as it was a reflection of their cool climate?The concept of “American exceptionalism” you reference was a big part of it (“exceptional” meaning “different,” not “best”), but not the only part. Timing had a bit to do with it.
Cricket was doing quite well for itself, even after the Revolution. Indeed, during the Revolution troops at Valley Forge played the game; George Washington himself is said to have had a wicket. As late as the 1850s, cricket was still dominating coverage in the New York Times.
Come the Civil War, though, the “new” game of baseball (really just a modified form of rounders) began to take hold, particularly in the Union Army; the fact it required less space and time made it a better recreational sport for soldiers.
After the War, cricket was still the more popular sport, but ironically helped contribute to its own demise by clubs encouraging baseball on their grounds. George and Harry Wright—two stars on the St. George’s club that played in the 1844 international match—were pioneers in baseball, having hands in refining baseball tactics (by importing defensive strategies from cricket), forming the first major pro side (Cincinnati Red Stockings) and inventing the box score (inspired, of course, by the cricket version)
Two other factors: a rise in anti-English feeling in the wake of significant Irish immigration and, perhaps most of all, a U.S. tour by an England XI that found them annihilating all the American sides they faced. The latter event likely cemented a feeling of “we’ll never be good at this game,” further cementing commitment to the “American” game of baseball
None of this explains why Canada embraced neither cricket nor baseball. Still looking into that.
This will fascinate you. It started as a kinda joke by a group of disgruntled English cricket supporters after 'colonial backwater' Australia defeated England in a single Test in 1882 . This is the story behind the naming of the Ashes.This one you’ve got me on.
I’ve also read ashes of burned stumpsView attachment 1396
The famous Ashes Urn is made of terracotta and stands at a tiny 10.5cms. It is believed to contain the ashes of a burnt cricket bail and was presented to Ivo Bligh, the captain of the England cricket team, as a personal gift after a friendly match hosted at Rupertswood mansion in Sunbury during the 1882–83 tour in Australia.