Pakistan vs Australia in United Arab Emirates
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el-capitano
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Look at you cynics- its not always the case- I present evidence piece no.1 from this current tour:
Look at you cynics- its not always the case- I present evidence piece no.1 from this current tour:
Sober Symonds
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Whilst I don't disagree with your comments about the all-rounders arguement, how do you come up with James Hopes as being the country's "best player" in recent one-day history?
In Sth Africa, his chunky bowling average was exceeded only by the now-exposed Bracken, his economy rate was equally shabby, and although his batting figures were sound, it could be argued he got many of those runs seeing out time in futile face-saving innings. Priot to that in Australia, his batting was not worthy of mention, and he took 5 wickets in 5 matches at a respectable rate of economy.
Our standards sure have slipped if the "honest" Queenslander has been given the lusty title you've bestowed upon him.
Ljp86;345813 said:
Whilst I don't disagree with your comments about the all-rounders arguement, how do you come up with James Hopes as being the country's "best player" in recent one-day history?
In Sth Africa, his chunky bowling average was exceeded only by the now-exposed Bracken, his economy rate was equally shabby, and although his batting figures were sound, it could be argued he got many of those runs seeing out time in futile face-saving innings. Priot to that in Australia, his batting was not worthy of mention, and he took 5 wickets in 5 matches at a respectable rate of economy.
Our standards sure have slipped if the "honest" Queenslander has been given the lusty title you've bestowed upon him.
Sober Symonds
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el-capitano;345871 said:Look at you cynics- its not always the case- I present evidence piece no.1 from this current tour:
Ha! Yet he hasn't been given that good a run, has he? This is the sort of hard-working toiler who has had to earn a spot (despite being a Blue!). You can be guaranteed though, if that dreadful blotch of material on top of his head was a little more flowing and tipped blonde, and the face a little more chiselled than round, he would have already racked up a sizeable contract to go with the dozens of appearances in green & gold.
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Hopes has performed reasonably well in his last ten or so games in my opinion. He may not be the best cricketer going around but he gives his all in pretty much every game. In those games he has played a few innings which have helped us stay competitive or gotten us out of a massive hole and I can't say that about a number of other batters who also play in the middle order.
Last ten innings with the bat, Hopes has scored 233 runs at 29.13 and his last ten innings with the ball has gotten him 13 wickets at 27.46 with an economy rate of 4.41. Those are fairly reasonable stats for Hopes, for a guy who isn't the best player going around, he is doing more than his fair share of the work and has been one of Australia's best players in the one-day arena since Australia played South Africa over here.
Sober Symonds;345872 said:
Hopes has performed reasonably well in his last ten or so games in my opinion. He may not be the best cricketer going around but he gives his all in pretty much every game. In those games he has played a few innings which have helped us stay competitive or gotten us out of a massive hole and I can't say that about a number of other batters who also play in the middle order.
Last ten innings with the bat, Hopes has scored 233 runs at 29.13 and his last ten innings with the ball has gotten him 13 wickets at 27.46 with an economy rate of 4.41. Those are fairly reasonable stats for Hopes, for a guy who isn't the best player going around, he is doing more than his fair share of the work and has been one of Australia's best players in the one-day arena since Australia played South Africa over here.
eddiesmith
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Look what happens when you go into a game with no Victorians, the team gets thumped by weak opposition
Look what happens when you go into a game with no Victorians, the team gets thumped by weak opposition
Johno
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This first defeat should be a big wake-up call for the Australians, to lose against a very weak opponent when they should be thrashing them is pretty disgusting. Australia need to show some respect if they want to win the rest of the matches.
Lets see how match 2 goes.
This first defeat should be a big wake-up call for the Australians, to lose against a very weak opponent when they should be thrashing them is pretty disgusting. Australia need to show some respect if they want to win the rest of the matches.
Lets see how match 2 goes.
Sober Symonds
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I totally concur. We've been through so many players in the past several months - pretty much since the retirements of several long-term greats - yet not too many have grabbed the opportunity with both hands. It seems the current stocks fall short of the mark, and think they can rely on superstars who aren't there to win it for them every time.
At the risk of repeating myself, we've lost our hard edge and I can't see it changing with the pretty-boys being thrust to the fore at present.
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I totally concur. We've been through so many players in the past several months - pretty much since the retirements of several long-term greats - yet not too many have grabbed the opportunity with both hands. It seems the current stocks fall short of the mark, and think they can rely on superstars who aren't there to win it for them every time.
At the risk of repeating myself, we've lost our hard edge and I can't see it changing with the pretty-boys being thrust to the fore at present.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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We must remember the boys have gone from bouncey, seaming wickets to low slow ones. Hopefully, we see some improvement tonight in the batting. Especially with the likes of Symonds.
We must remember the boys have gone from bouncey, seaming wickets to low slow ones. Hopefully, we see some improvement tonight in the batting. Especially with the likes of Symonds.
bundybullz08
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Pakistan won the toss and are batting.
Pakistan won the toss and are batting.
A.B De Villiers
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Pak all out for 207. good bowling effort by the boys. need to back it up with 3 50 partnerships and we are all but home. top 5 need to fire.
Pak all out for 207. good bowling effort by the boys. need to back it up with 3 50 partnerships and we are all but home. top 5 need to fire.
Ripping-LegBreak
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Wow, Great hitting by Shoaib Akhtar propells pakistan to 208 a okay score on this track, As long as the spinners constrict Australia into submission like they did 2 days ago, Then they will win again. And why did pakistan play a 17 yr old, Ahmed Shehzad, I remember him from the U19 tour of england two years ago where he was only 15. Looks a good prospect but shouldn't be thrust too quickly into the side. Could do more harm than good. Anyone who doesn't know who he is, He's a batting allrounder who can bowl decent legspin. Has a couple of first class centuries already at the fresh age of 17.
Wow, Great hitting by Shoaib Akhtar propells pakistan to 208 a okay score on this track, As long as the spinners constrict Australia into submission like they did 2 days ago, Then they will win again. And why did pakistan play a 17 yr old, Ahmed Shehzad, I remember him from the U19 tour of england two years ago where he was only 15. Looks a good prospect but shouldn't be thrust too quickly into the side. Could do more harm than good. Anyone who doesn't know who he is, He's a batting allrounder who can bowl decent legspin. Has a couple of first class centuries already at the fresh age of 17.
distributer of pain
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Ljp86;345813 said:
distributer of pain
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maybe at the moment, but not for long. go symmo. im wondering who they"ll drop come the england ODIs, i really like watson as an opener and im guessing the selectors do to, they wont drop symonds, so im guessing marsh may lose his spot, im not sure who else will though, could hopes be in danger ? it would be a harsh call but i dont see room for all 3 allrounders with hussey and ponting coming back in, ferguson may miss out as well, theres certainly some tough decisions coming up.Ljp86;345813 said:
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
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Overall the 2nd ODI was a good game of cricket to watch, importantly it was also played in great spirit between the 2 sides. It is so much better to watch cricket when both teams are playing in good spirits. 208 wasn't a bad score on that wicket and it was largely due to Andrew Symonds that we got home in the chase. He provided that stimulus in the middle overs, he was also one of the few batsmen who could pick the doorsa.
It was great to see him pick it and then let the bowler know he picked it, it was one of the highlights of the night.
Nice to see Symonds back into the fray, it wasnt a classic knock but Symonds 58 to go with his 2 wickets indicates that his one the way back. Great to see.
Overall the 2nd ODI was a good game of cricket to watch, importantly it was also played in great spirit between the 2 sides. It is so much better to watch cricket when both teams are playing in good spirits. 208 wasn't a bad score on that wicket and it was largely due to Andrew Symonds that we got home in the chase. He provided that stimulus in the middle overs, he was also one of the few batsmen who could pick the doorsa.
It was great to see him pick it and then let the bowler know he picked it, it was one of the highlights of the night.
Nice to see Symonds back into the fray, it wasnt a classic knock but Symonds 58 to go with his 2 wickets indicates that his one the way back. Great to see.
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just hope he continues with this improvement, australia need him. great fielding by him too in those games, one of the only fielders i know that a sit up in my seat to watch him stop a slowly rolling ball.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT;346080 said:
just hope he continues with this improvement, australia need him. great fielding by him too in those games, one of the only fielders i know that a sit up in my seat to watch him stop a slowly rolling ball.
Sober Symonds
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You like Watson. So do the selectors, forgiving though they are. I'm not sure the rest of us have such faith however. He doesn't have a bad record as an opener, then again most players do well there when given a chance. It is the pick of the batting positions in one-day cricket, no question.
If you're wondering who to drop, Watto usually makes that decision easy anyway. Give him a couple of games and he will keel over. That is unless he doesn't bowl, in which case we should refrain from calling him an all-rounder.
Symonds is a far better option, and so is Hopes really. As for Marsh, has he done enough either? I'm not convinced. Watson's batting isn't so good he should be in ahead of those you have mentioned. (By the way, I am not swayed by the fact he just made a blob!)
distributer of pain;346052 said:
You like Watson. So do the selectors, forgiving though they are. I'm not sure the rest of us have such faith however. He doesn't have a bad record as an opener, then again most players do well there when given a chance. It is the pick of the batting positions in one-day cricket, no question.
If you're wondering who to drop, Watto usually makes that decision easy anyway. Give him a couple of games and he will keel over. That is unless he doesn't bowl, in which case we should refrain from calling him an all-rounder.
Symonds is a far better option, and so is Hopes really. As for Marsh, has he done enough either? I'm not convinced. Watson's batting isn't so good he should be in ahead of those you have mentioned. (By the way, I am not swayed by the fact he just made a blob!)
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whats wrong with having more all rounders? in limited overs you need as much batting as possible, and if those batsman can bowl as good as hopes and symonds have lately, then only a couple of full time bowlers are needed. plus we have batsman like johnson, bracken, hilfy etc who can all bat well. not that i'm saying to fill the team with all rounders and forget about proper batsman and bowlers though.
the tough decisions that will have to be made always happens when players get injured. remember the time when langer was injured, then jaques came into the side and made 99, only to be dropped the next game. i think everyone will have to grin and bear it, and rest assured that we have great players ready to come into the side at any time. remember lee will be back soon, hes now in the UAE on tour with the team. i think he is a certainty to get back in, and so he should be. while players have been injured it has been a great chance for youngsters to play and show their skills, now they will just have to wait until there is a vacancy in the team like everyone else, and how they would have had to if there hadnt been any injuries or like with symonds, being kept out of the side for bad behaviour.
whats wrong with having more all rounders? in limited overs you need as much batting as possible, and if those batsman can bowl as good as hopes and symonds have lately, then only a couple of full time bowlers are needed. plus we have batsman like johnson, bracken, hilfy etc who can all bat well. not that i'm saying to fill the team with all rounders and forget about proper batsman and bowlers though.
the tough decisions that will have to be made always happens when players get injured. remember the time when langer was injured, then jaques came into the side and made 99, only to be dropped the next game. i think everyone will have to grin and bear it, and rest assured that we have great players ready to come into the side at any time. remember lee will be back soon, hes now in the UAE on tour with the team. i think he is a certainty to get back in, and so he should be. while players have been injured it has been a great chance for youngsters to play and show their skills, now they will just have to wait until there is a vacancy in the team like everyone else, and how they would have had to if there hadnt been any injuries or like with symonds, being kept out of the side for bad behaviour.
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I think in any cricket side you need to have specialist bowlers and that applys to tests, ODI's and T20's. We saw in South Africa what can happen if our opening bowlers don't get wickets early. Sure, in the initial overs in SA the bowlers kept it tight but not getting early wickets allowed SA to build good totals.
Hopes is a good honest bowler, but his not an incisive bowler who is going to run through a team. Symonds is in the same boat. Bracken at the minute isnt getting early wickets, his keeping it tight, but thats not good enough.
He appears to have lost that shape to his bowling, the swing into the right hander with the new white ball. Against good teams if you don't get early wickets then they will make you pay at the end of the innings.
Specialist bowlers in ODI are a viable commodity that can't be neglected.
I think in any cricket side you need to have specialist bowlers and that applys to tests, ODI's and T20's. We saw in South Africa what can happen if our opening bowlers don't get wickets early. Sure, in the initial overs in SA the bowlers kept it tight but not getting early wickets allowed SA to build good totals.
Hopes is a good honest bowler, but his not an incisive bowler who is going to run through a team. Symonds is in the same boat. Bracken at the minute isnt getting early wickets, his keeping it tight, but thats not good enough.
He appears to have lost that shape to his bowling, the swing into the right hander with the new white ball. Against good teams if you don't get early wickets then they will make you pay at the end of the innings.
Specialist bowlers in ODI are a viable commodity that can't be neglected.