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Dirk Kuyt
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Re: Timing and Trading
What if a captain strategically picked a player because he thought he was trade bait.
The actual player he wanted had been taken, so he took player x instead thinking he could trade him for something of value during the trade period, now he cant be traded because the player has to agree to it?
What if a captain strategically picked a player because he thought he was trade bait.
The actual player he wanted had been taken, so he took player x instead thinking he could trade him for something of value during the trade period, now he cant be traded because the player has to agree to it?
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Goodbye
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Re: Timing and Trading
A successful competition will focus on all the players, rather than just the captains.
A successful competition will focus on all the players, rather than just the captains.
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Dirk Kuyt
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Re: Timing and Trading
Lets face it, the Captains are more important than the normal players, the Captain at any stage can delist any player he wants. He holds the aces up his sleeve so to speak. At the end of the day he makes all the decisions.
Lets face it, the Captains are more important than the normal players, the Captain at any stage can delist any player he wants. He holds the aces up his sleeve so to speak. At the end of the day he makes all the decisions.
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Dirk Kuyt
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Re: Timing and Trading
He couldn't captain a shit out of his arse.
It should be the sole decision of the two Captains organising the trade.
If the players have to be involved, then why not make them involved in delistings? If they don't want to be delisted, then they stay on the list?...
He couldn't captain a shit out of his arse.
It should be the sole decision of the two Captains organising the trade.
If the players have to be involved, then why not make them involved in delistings? If they don't want to be delisted, then they stay on the list?...
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Dirk Kuyt
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Re: Timing and Trading
Only if ToonArmy agreed to it.
So say Fred and ToonArmy came up with player x for player y, then they confirmed it, player x and player y don't get a say in it, the Captains have agreed, the trade should be done.
Only if ToonArmy agreed to it.
So say Fred and ToonArmy came up with player x for player y, then they confirmed it, player x and player y don't get a say in it, the Captains have agreed, the trade should be done.
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ToonArmy
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Re: Timing and Trading
Frodo to the Magic.
That'd be fun
Frodo to the Magic.
That'd be fun
Jolldo87
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Re: Timing and Trading
That's different though, if they are delisted they have a choice of clubs to move to assuming there is interest in them whereas under this proposal they would have no choice at all.
This could potentially mean that some players will be unhappy at the team they are traded to and may loose interest in the competition as a result.
I'll be putting up the Official Trading Thread tomorrow, after any further discussion on this is completed.
Dirk Kuyt;228442 said:
That's different though, if they are delisted they have a choice of clubs to move to assuming there is interest in them whereas under this proposal they would have no choice at all.
This could potentially mean that some players will be unhappy at the team they are traded to and may loose interest in the competition as a result.
I'll be putting up the Official Trading Thread tomorrow, after any further discussion on this is completed.
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Dirk Kuyt
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Re: Timing and Trading
If you're going to have the rules where all players and captains have to agree to the trade, no-one will move during trade week, not worth while in having the trade week in my opinion, may aswell put the Round 1 threads up on Monday and start the season proper as soon as possible.
If it's just captains who need to agree to the trade, after all, they are the leaders of the club and every other decision lies with them, then some players may move.
If you're going to have the rules where all players and captains have to agree to the trade, no-one will move during trade week, not worth while in having the trade week in my opinion, may aswell put the Round 1 threads up on Monday and start the season proper as soon as possible.
If it's just captains who need to agree to the trade, after all, they are the leaders of the club and every other decision lies with them, then some players may move.
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Re: Timing and Trading
Jolldo is correct.
If a Captain doesn't want a player he can trade or de-list. De-listed players can then go on the open market.
Eg. If you don't like boncer then de-list him. Let's face it, he is a good poster and most teams would like him. But you will only get offered a non poster, when there are others waiting to be signed up. So not likely.
I would suggest that de-listing would mainly revolve around non posters, but having been selected in the draft only a week or so ago I would doubt many players or captains would be looking at changes.
It does, however, set the competition up for the future. In subsequent seasons trading will likely be much stronger, particularly if player values and team caps are introduced.
I'd also suggest that players can quit unless contracted. Maybe each player should sign a contract. That may affect his/her value depending upon length. If under contract they can't resign, only ask the captain for a trade. Bit like AFL.
Jolldo is correct.
If a Captain doesn't want a player he can trade or de-list. De-listed players can then go on the open market.
Eg. If you don't like boncer then de-list him. Let's face it, he is a good poster and most teams would like him. But you will only get offered a non poster, when there are others waiting to be signed up. So not likely.
I would suggest that de-listing would mainly revolve around non posters, but having been selected in the draft only a week or so ago I would doubt many players or captains would be looking at changes.
It does, however, set the competition up for the future. In subsequent seasons trading will likely be much stronger, particularly if player values and team caps are introduced.
I'd also suggest that players can quit unless contracted. Maybe each player should sign a contract. That may affect his/her value depending upon length. If under contract they can't resign, only ask the captain for a trade. Bit like AFL.
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Dirk Kuyt
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Re: Timing and Trading
Trading still wont be much stronger at all, because the players themselves have to agree to the trade... which in my opinion isn't the right way to go about things.
I pushed for player values and salary caps for this season, but they weren't introduced, I also pushed for players to sign contracts once their value was made public.
Just an example here Frodo.
What happens if I ask ToonArmy for a trade, so then ToonArmy announces I'm up for trade, but only one club makes an offer, ToonArmy then accepts it, but I don't want to go to said club, therefore I decline the offer because after all... I have to agree to it as well.
If I was under contract (which don't get me wrong, is a good idea), I'm then stuck at a club I don't want to be at because the only club that made an offer was another club I didn't like?..
In my opinion, if I went to TA and asked for a trade, he then finds the best suitable trade for the team and does it, nothing to do with me accepting anything, I've asked for the trade, wherever I end up is where I end up.
Frodo;228528 said:
Trading still wont be much stronger at all, because the players themselves have to agree to the trade... which in my opinion isn't the right way to go about things.
I pushed for player values and salary caps for this season, but they weren't introduced, I also pushed for players to sign contracts once their value was made public.
Just an example here Frodo.
What happens if I ask ToonArmy for a trade, so then ToonArmy announces I'm up for trade, but only one club makes an offer, ToonArmy then accepts it, but I don't want to go to said club, therefore I decline the offer because after all... I have to agree to it as well.
If I was under contract (which don't get me wrong, is a good idea), I'm then stuck at a club I don't want to be at because the only club that made an offer was another club I didn't like?..
In my opinion, if I went to TA and asked for a trade, he then finds the best suitable trade for the team and does it, nothing to do with me accepting anything, I've asked for the trade, wherever I end up is where I end up.
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Re: Timing and Trading
If you are under contract then you have to persuade the club you want to go to, to trade big for you. You will have put yourself in that position by negotiating more than a one season contract. However, your captain is unlikely to want to retain a potentially unhappy and destabilising team player, so would agree to a trade or delist you.
Thee key there is if you sign a long term contract, you live with the consequences. If there is a breach of contract then you's get out. Say the original 3 season contract included you being VC, and you were deposed. Then you could go.
Without a contract, well you can walk when you like. Join another club or the draft.
Dirk Kuyt;228536 said:
If you are under contract then you have to persuade the club you want to go to, to trade big for you. You will have put yourself in that position by negotiating more than a one season contract. However, your captain is unlikely to want to retain a potentially unhappy and destabilising team player, so would agree to a trade or delist you.
Thee key there is if you sign a long term contract, you live with the consequences. If there is a breach of contract then you's get out. Say the original 3 season contract included you being VC, and you were deposed. Then you could go.
Without a contract, well you can walk when you like. Join another club or the draft.
Re: Timing and Trading
Now your basing arguments on policys that dont exist in the comp? We dont have contracts so that argument is irrelevant.
So your saying you'd be happy for players to be unhappy at a club? For captains to have the ability to royal screw over players?
Dirk Kuyt;228536 said:
Now your basing arguments on policys that dont exist in the comp? We dont have contracts so that argument is irrelevant.
So your saying you'd be happy for players to be unhappy at a club? For captains to have the ability to royal screw over players?
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ToonArmy
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Re: Timing and Trading
I like that idea
boncer34;228545 said:
I like that idea
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Dirk Kuyt
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Re: Timing and Trading
I was just throwing up an option that could happen if there were contracts.
As it stands at the moment, the Captains should be the only two players required to agree to a trade.
But oh well, go the Caribbean Crusaders
I was just throwing up an option that could happen if there were contracts.
As it stands at the moment, the Captains should be the only two players required to agree to a trade.
But oh well, go the Caribbean Crusaders
