Twenty20 World Cup Discussion/Match talk thread

[a for effort]

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Wow, Ian Bell averages well over 50 does he? Everyone claims Bell is a superbly talented cricketer and Collingwood is a hack, so why is Collys test average higher?

As I said, I would have both of them in my Test side. Collingwood has achieved the absolute best that could be expected out his limited abilities, which is a credit to him, but Bell has not reached full maturity yet. I know he's known for making cute 30's and throwing his wicket away, but in a 20/20 30's will win matches, scratchy run-a-ball 15's at the end of an innings won't.

Why can Collingwood makes runs against top opposition and Bell cant? Even in ODIs they are mighty close given Bell is a batsman and Collingwood an all rounder who has only really been used as a batsman in recent years. Hell since Bell started Collingwood averages more with the bat in ODIs

Maybe so, but we are talking about selection for a 20/20 tournament, not a test or one-day series.

He has had more chances than anyone else would get and simply doesnt perform and maybe they move him around because they are trying to find somewhere they can fit him in, only spot he ever looked good in tests was no6, but we dont play 6 batsmen anymore

He was playing fantastically at 6 until they brought him up to 3 to replace Vaughan, and when opening in the ODI's he was as consistent as anyone else they tried in that position.

In ODIs he has only ever had a couple of good series and they were at home and for a top order batsman has just 1 century, even Colly has 4

Again, we are talking about 20/20's

You claim Bell is a scapegoat, Collingwood is used as a punching bag for most people, you like to do it as well, yet despite a lack of talent he still outperforms Ian Bell easily

I'm not using anybody as a punching bag, I'm calling it how I see it. Collingwood is a poor captain, and most pundits will back me up on that, and his game is not suited to 20/20 cricket. I'm also not sure what constitutes him 'easily' beating Ian Bell.

So making runs and being able to play all matches and contribute dont matter?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, unless it's that Samit Patel and Rob Key are so fat that they can't make runs and will struggle to play every game?

On the sixes comment, averages 1 per innings, Wright 1 every 3 innings, Pietersen about 1 every 2 innings, Collingwood has nearly twice as many 6's as KP and they have the same amount of innings

This is technically true (15 sixes in 16 games), though it would be foolish to try and use such a tiny amount of data to do any kind of statistical analysis.

14 wickets @ 18 is more than handy for your 5th bowler

Economy of nearly 9.5, and 4 of those wickets were against the pathetic Windies a fortnight ago. If England are relying on Collingwoods dibbly-dobblies to do anything other than use up a couple of overs then they should give up now

As for Prior, averages just 25 in ODIs and in T20I's, had a few chances and never made runs, how many chances should he get?

You are a harsh man if you think an average of 23 after 5 T20 internationals could be considered enough chances to chuck him in the 'no good' basket

If you want to count Bopara, averages about 50 at ODI level and never been trusted in T20Is

Oh btw, whos keeping in your side? You do realise you have just named 10 players and no keeper or Key nor Prior who you want as a batsman alone?

I was naming the squad members who can bowl, not a side.

 

[eddiesmith]

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Oh squad members, 9 isnt that many really, Australia could name 14 that could bowl if required

But in the game, you need 4 frontline options, plus 2-3 all round options, Collingwood is the best of those all round options and is better than 6 of the players you named

In T20 you still need players making 50's as well so what use is Bell if England have plenty of players who can make bigger scores, including Collingwood

On Prior, its still not great, although he could possibly replace Foster who was quite poor last night with the gloves

 

[Ljp86]

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Ljp86, they didnt drop Pietersen or Swann, they are both injured and they decided not to risk them, although I think Pietersen was just scared of Nannes

Fair enough, I didn't know they were injured. I just thought they were being rested.

New Zealand played Scotland in game two today. Rain played spoilsport early on but there was enough time to get in a seven-over game. Scotland hit 4/89 from their seven overs but it proved to be not enough as New Zealand reached 3/90 from only six overs.

At the moment, Australia are playing West Indies. Australia batted first and after struggling early on, made 7/169 from their 20 overs. West Indies though have blasted their way to 0/104 in the 9th over, Chris Gayle has been phenomenal, 54 off only 28 balls and Andre Fletcher has been just as good with 44 off 26. Brett Lee's three overs have gone for 51 with his last one going for 27.

Game is just about over you'd think. As an Aussie fan, Gayle's batting has been memorable to watch, just an amazing striker of the ball and quite possibly the best hitter of the ball in the world, taking over from Gilchrist.

 

[goldcoastfan]

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once again pontings poor captaincy has largely contributed to another australian defeat. continuing to bowl bree lee at the start of the west indies innings when he was getting clobbered pillar to post was just cricket suicide. by the time lee got taken off the game was well on the way to being won. it didnt take a genuis to realise that lee was bowling the perfect pace for gayle. it amazes me how little insight and flexibilty ponting has as a captain for such a good cricketer.

 

[eddiesmith]

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If Scotland had 1 decent strike bowler then we could have had 3 minnows win the first 3 games

 

[Boris]

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australias loss didnt have much to do with australias side. lee was bowling really well, if you look at his pitch map he was accurately trying everything there is to try. gayle was just better on the day. he was better then every bowler australia had and clobbered them all round the park. thats what T20 is, only takes one player, no matter the side theyre in, to win a game. well done windies.

 

[Kram81]

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So do we play tonight / early morning? I'm getting conflicting times on FTA as to when we play and I don't get my Foxtel connected until next week.

 

[gundalf7]

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its been a pretty decent tournament so far england batted poorly for 8 overs and bowled poorly and the less said about the fielding the better especially broad. Netherlands deserved the win.

Chris gayle showed that a batsman can just take the game away in a t20 match from anyone.
The scotland game just turned into a farce really how a 7 over game can constitute a match is beyond me. Bangladesh played really well and were unlucky to run into yuvraj else it may have been a different story there as well.

 

[eddiesmith]

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So do we play tonight / early morning? I'm getting conflicting times on FTA as to when we play and I don't get my Foxtel connected until next week.

Monday night/Tuesday morning around 2:30 against Sri Lanka

 

[eddiesmith]

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australias loss didnt have much to do with australias side. lee was bowling really well, if you look at his pitch map he was accurately trying everything there is to try. gayle was just better on the day. he was better then every bowler australia had and clobbered them all round the park. thats what T20 is, only takes one player, no matter the side theyre in, to win a game. well done windies.

Actually it does have to do with the side, they batted poorly except for the Hussey brothers, that was 200 wicket and obviously Warner had to try and hold the innings together so maybe some excuse but in the end they were too slow and ended up with too few runs, but thats no suprise given they left their 2 best T20 batsmen at home, but hopefully one of them comes in tomorrow in place of Clarke or Ponting

 

[Ljp86]

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Pretty good game on at the minute between Bangladesh and Ireland, the loser of this game will almost certainly be eliminated.

Bangladesh were sent in by Ireland and are 3/61 after nine overs. Trent Johnson has starred for Ireland and has taken all three wickets so far in what was a pretty good spell of bowling. Tamim Iqbal has top score so far with 22 not out, Junaid Suddique got the Bangladesh team off to a very quick start, making 13 from only five balls faced before becoming the first of Johnson's victims.

 

[Ljp86]

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Tsk, tsk. Now Tamim is run out, a dodgy call at first saw the keeper pick up the ball and throw to the bowler's (McCallan) end. McCallan fumbled and Tamim running back lost his bat but kept going. Unfortunately for him the ball bounced off McCallan onto the stumps with Tamim short of his crease.

Bangladesh have moved to 4/66 in the 11th over, Mahmudullah on seven, Raqibul Hasan on two.

 

[Ljp86]

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Well, this is becoming a curse! Every time I post a wicket falls! Bangladesh crumbling here, Mahmudullah is stumped from the very next ball after going for a dirty slog across the line. After completing the stroke, he just lifts his foot and Niall O'Brien has the bails off in a flash.

5/66 from 10.3 and the Tigers are in real trouble now.

 

[A.B De Villiers]

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Well, this is becoming a curse! Every time I post a wicket falls! Bangladesh crumbling here, Mahmudullah is stumped from the very next ball after goingfor a dirty slog across the line. After completing the stroke, he just lifts his foot and Niall O'Brien has the bails off in a flash.

5/66 from 10.3 and the Tigers are in real trouble now.

Superb stumping by O'Brien. Ireland have come to play, and Bangladesh are giving wickets away here

 

[eddiesmith]

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Well, this is becoming a curse! Every time I post a wicket falls! Bangladesh crumbling here, Mahmudullah is stumped from the very next ball after going for a dirty slog across the line. After completing the stroke, he just lifts his foot and Niall O'Brien has the bails off in a flash.

5/66 from 10.3 and the Tigers are in real trouble now.

Well keep posting, Go Ireland!

Anyway I notice Ricky Ponting has claimed there is nothing wrong with the batting lineup so wont be changing it tonight, seems White has been dragged halfway around the world and will be home again after just 3 days, great stuff!

 

[Ljp86]

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Superb stumping by O'Brien. Ireland have come to play, and Bangladesh are giving wickets away here

Ireland are playing good cricket, they are certainly more than good competition for the lesser sides.

An another note, not at all surprised to see Ashraful sitting in the dugout after another poor dismissal. Was out caught at first slip trying to guide the ball to third man, he practically guided the ball straight to first slip and was dropped earlier in the innings playing a very similar shot. Not sure how he is still captain of the side

 

[Ljp86]

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Another one gone, a full and straight one from McCallan cleans up Raqibul Hasan for 13 and just now Mushfiqur Rahim tried to put Regan West into the stratosphere but picked out Mooney at long-off.

Bangladesh crumbling right before our very eyes, 7/99 after 17 overs.

 

[A.B De Villiers]

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Well keep posting, Go Ireland!

Anyway I notice Ricky Ponting has claimed there is nothing wrong with the batting lineup so wont be changing it tonight, seems White has been dragged halfway around the world and will be home again after just 3 days, great stuff!

I'd take a first class trip to london any day. but yeah, disapointed that one of the best T20 players isn't playing.

Ireland should get up in this match, porterfield to hit a nice 50 and finish off. They could very easily be a banana skin for a higher ranked team in the super 6's or 8 or whatever it is.

 

[Ljp86]

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Cusack's last over goes for 20 and Bangladesh scramble to 8/137 from their 20 overs. Mashrafe Mortaza hit all 20 of those runs by himself and finishes with a crucial innings of 33 not out from only 16 balls to give the Tigers something to defend.

A pretty modest total but anything could happen with the Irish batsman.

 

[Ljp86]

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A slow start from Ireland, they lost Bray early for two but O'Brien has come to the rescue and has just creamed Mortaza for three sixes off one over, O'Brien's up to 25 from only ten balls and Ireland are 1/37 after five overs.