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someblokecalleddave

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UK Politics?

Anyone want to have a bash at this? Let me set out my stall - I consider myself working class, I'm a member of the Labour Party and have voted nothing by Labour all my life and will continue to do so for the rest of my life I expect. But, I've got to say Gordon Brown has been awful along with the rest of the cabinet in the last year hence the reason the terrible results in the last 24 hours.

Things that have really got my goat, have been the reluctance to declare how much they earn and how much they can scam off the tax payer just because they're MP's - paying sons and wives to be assistants etc, and having loads of perks.

**ck- ups like telling the world that the Olympics are going to cost A and then they end up costing X when anyone with half a brain knew they were talking out of their Jacksies.

Locally in London Livingstone and his cronies setting up organisations that benefit the community and paying them millions to run these organisations and work with the community but then when checked out to see where all the money is being used - them coming up with the most unbelievable excuses like "Oh we don't have any accounts to prove what the money was spent on" and Livingstone basically saying that's okay to do that and keep your noses out of their business. I'd find that kind of thing appalling if it was a cricket club taking the same attitude with a couple of hundred quid let alone millions.

Anyone else want to have a pop at them - I reckon they've got it coming.
 
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I would probably vote Conservative, if I voted (I know, I know, I really should..) but to be honest I think they're all as bad as each other and not one of the main parties share my viewpoint, or that of a majority of the people in this country.

If we had a strong government, one that wasn't enthralled to the likes of the US (or China, which is really only for the future trade potential) then they could actually take stock and look at the stuff happening on their own doorstep. Blair spent so much of his time cosying up to Bush that he almost forgot that he was meant to be the British leader and not some puppet.

Saying that, you have to give him credit, he got out seemingly at the right time, will let Brown make a right pigs ear of it and his 'reign' will seem golden when we look back in 20/30 years.

I just wish that one party would have the balls to stand up and make some bold pledges and start to at least attempt to rectify some of the cock ups made.
 
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Yeah the future looks pretty dim in the short term. There's so many things everyone can moan about and the economic climate looks as though it's balanced on a knife edge with a whole host of global issues that sit there threatening to push the UK into some awful abyss. I've got to say that your point regarding "not one of the main parties share my viewpoint" is a very common one that I here people say all the time. My own thoughts on that are that you can't expect specifics to be addressed - you have to look at the very basic ethos of either the Conservatives or the Labour Party and decide on a basic level which aligns to your own instinct/gut feeling. I've never understood people that are able to swap from one or the other and advocate that they're passionate. If you're someone who swaps from one to the other you must do so on the basis that you're only attempting to feather your own bed as such and that in my books you're intrinsicly conservative?
 
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I think you're spot on when you say that you can't expect specifics to be addressed but at the moment I don't think that any one party comes close to being deserving of my vote.

People are only voting the way they are at the moment in order for a change, not because the other side will do any better.
 
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I like Boris as a bloke, more and more over the years I've grown to dislike Livingstone and after the last year he's rightly been kicked out, he seems smarmy and dishonest. I haven't a clue about Boris as a politician so I'd give him the benefit of a few years in office and see what he does? If he's fair no-one can complain. I'd like to think that being a conservative he's going to be a bit more on the ball when it comes to finances- we'll just have to see how it pans out.
 
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again i think Boris has been elected more for Change than anything else.

I'm with Mas at the moment in the fact i dont want to waste my vote but i wont vote just for change!

Its a bit like watching the US elelctions, i reckon Obama will beat Clinton but i doubt he will beat the oppo in the actual Polls. i think the US is too stuck in its ways! i fear they wont see a Woman or ethinc variation in power anytime soon! i would vote for him!

But back to the UK we will see what happens nearer the time !
 
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what u guys thinkof the Lib Dems,
i would consider myself a labour supporter even though im only16 but i cant bring myself to vote for Brown, or the conservatives after "THATCHER" a major hate figure in my book but thats beside the point.
anyhows they dont get much popular support except from the middle classes who dont vote conservative religiously, so when i do get round to voting, i wonder if its worth it.
 
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Boris is a joker, Ken was a sleazeball but he could organise things well.
give Boris couple of years could be great!, could be shit...
 
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mas cambios said:
Are you classed as being in London where you are?
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No we're in a borough called Basildon controlled by Essex County Council. I think both at the moment are Tory councils both at Borough and County levels. London's 20 miles away.
 
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someblokecalleddave said:
God knows what Boris is going to be like? I think we're all in for a rough patch no matter who's in control for the forseeable future.
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What goes up must come down. A fairer duty on fuel would help although that is not the long term answer.
 
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i think clarkson said it best about fuel!

for £1.20 they find the oil, The drill for the oil, they ship the oil, they refine the oil, they distribute the petrol, and then sell it. Not bad for £1.20 really. YOu pay more for a liter of Evian and that sure as hell dont run your car!

however with my heavy right foot i could do with it being back under a £1. or the government taking off some of that 70% tax!
 
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the biggest change that needs to happen is the scrapping of the winner takes all system of voting. Labour said when they first came to power they would change to a more proportional system.
This is the system proposed
http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/votingsystems/systems4.htm#AV+

This would end the domination of labour and conservative and instead get people to vote for the actual candidates they prefer.Smaller parties could compete with the big guys and have more say. The candidates in turn would have much more incentive to represent their local constituency instead of selling out/backing down to the Party whips. The problems mainly seem to happen when there is not proper debate as it is squashed by the Party system. As in the proposal to invade Iraq.
 
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Stumped said:
i think clarkson said it best about fuel!

for £1.20 they find the oil, The drill for the oil, they ship the oil, they refine the oil, they distribute the petrol, and then sell it. Not bad for £1.20 really. YOu pay more for a liter of Evian and that sure as hell dont run your car!

however with my heavy right foot i could do with it being back under a £1. or the government taking off some of that 70% tax!
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Ah, but they don't do all that for £1.20 do they! As you mention the government takes it's cut when the actual cost is more like 50-60p. Sorry, just nit picking :p.
 
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