What do Rotar cuffs do for speed?

[storm]

What do Rotar cuffs do for speed?

Are rotar cuffs the main muscels used in bowling and where you get the pace from when bowling just with your shoulder? if not which muscels give the pace?

 

[Jelly Beanz]

Re: What do Rotar cuffs do for speed?

I can see a reply in the line of 'movements not muscles' coming but I might be wrong.

I hurt my rotator cuffs last week and today they were still a bit weak. I don't know if it was related but my pace was down quite a bit when I was bowling today.

 

[FBI]

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Are rotar cuffs the main muscels used in bowling and where you get the pace from when bowling just with your shoulder? if not which muscels give the pace?

Pretty much every muscle which is stretched in the fast bowling action contributes to pace. The majority of these muscles are 'core' muscles and these must be the ones you look to strengthen and stabalise. The others are a case of movements not muscles and should be stretched and dynamically (ie. moving) worked. Strengthening your rotator coff will help prevent injury though.

 

[Liz Ward]

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What do you mean when you say "when bowling just with your shoulder" storm?

 

[storm]

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Well i've lost a lot of pace since my rotar cuffs where injured and i was wondering if rotar cuffs contribute much to speed.

 

[Liz Ward]

Re: What do Rotar cuffs do for speed?

Well, the rotator cuff muscles are movement instigators and as the socket in this ball and socket joint is so shallow, they are responsible for keeping your arm attached to the body during the huge forces at the deceleration phase.

You cannot have speed without movement and you cannot have movement in this area without these muscles.

But I don't understand what you mean by "when bowling just with your shoulder"... I think I might be missing something.

 

[storm]

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I only said that so that people would not reply to me that pace is generated from somewhere else on the body, i just wanted to focus on the power generated by the shoulder.
Also I just did a test and my left arm which is my non dominant one is really quick and free whereas my hurt arm is slow and uncomfortable, if i just keep doing my excersises will it return to normal?

ohh and should i continue playing cricket or stop untill my arm is fully recovered?

 

[Liz Ward]

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You can continue playing as long as you do not feel pain, if so, rest.

When you say "uncomfortable", does this stop smooth, full range of movement and is there a clicking sound? If so, you should get it checked out by your GP.

If neither of the above, it should recover if you take it easy. When you do your press ups, place your right hand on a ball, you can start with a small one, progressing up to a basketball.

 

[storm]

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no pain really, range of motion is slighty down and it clicks but my shoulder has always clicked even befroe the injury.

 

[Jelly Beanz]

Re: What do Rotar cuffs do for speed?

Well, the rotator cuff muscles are movement instigators and as the socket in this ball and socket joint is so shallow, they are responsible for keeping your arm attached to the body during the huge forces at the deceleration phase.

You cannot have speed without movement and you cannot have movement in this area without these muscles.

So from this it would make sense to say that, having injured my rotator cuff muscles, my pace won't come back for a while??

 

[storm]

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my shoulder does lightly click now and it isnt smooth movment, what would you say is wrong?

 

[Liz Ward]

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storm, it could be a few things, it might not be anything. You need to eliminate a tear; I'm afraid I cannot do this for you remotely but I urge you to get it sorted; it may just need rest. If it is a tear, you can get it sorted. However, if it is a tear and you don't get it sorted, it would mean the end of your career.



JB, absolutely

Strengthen the rotator cuff muscles and the pace will come back.

These muscles are extremely important in rugby too; handoffs, falling to he ground, regaining balance and strengthening these muscles could prevent dislocation during tackles.

 

[Jelly Beanz]

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OK thanks, I'll do my best. I've got a cricket camp thing this week from weds-friday and then a match on saturday but I'll try and keep things fairly light.

I've never actually dislocated my shoudler in a tackle but it has taken some pretty big knocks, and I have to say I favour my right shoulder to tackle with which could be a problem.

I've found that bowling doesn't make it sore but big throws from the boundary cause some discomfort, would this suggest that it's not too bad?? The other thing is that I'm somewhat lopsided to my right side, would this have any affect on it??

 

[Liz Ward]

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If big throws cause you problems, ask to field close until recovery. It may not be what you are used to but it will make a huge difference to the length of recovery. Mention your shoulder to the coach at the beginning of the camp and he will not expect you to throw from any distance.

Being lopsided should not have too much of an impact but just to be sure, how do you mean?

The fact that bowling does not make your shoulder sore is a good sign but there is obviously still some way to go.

 

[storm]

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im going back to the physio soon to check out my shoulder, i can bowl with it fine no discomfort and throwing is slight discomfort when i put maximum into it , is it possible i have a tear?

 

[Liz Ward]

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To be honest storm, I think you are a bit young but it is not impossible. When you see the physio, get them to check the clicking. As I have said before, there is 'clicking' and then there is 'clicking'. I am a little over cautious because I cannot hear for myself. Better to be safe than sorry
Please come back and let me know what the physio says.

 

[storm]

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I am praying it is'nt to bad, if i can just get my shoulder back to it's original strength i could finally start trainning again, all my injuries have faded away now excpet this one, i wil post back what the physio says when i see her.

 

[Jelly Beanz]

Re: What do Rotar cuffs do for speed?

If big throws cause you problems, ask to field close until recovery. It may not be what you are used to but it will make a huge difference to the length of recovery. Mention your shoulder to the coach at the beginning of the camp and he will not expect you to throw from any distance.

Being lopsided should not have too much of an impact but just to be sure, how do you mean?

The fact that bowling does not make your shoulder sore is a good sign but there is obviously still some way to go.

Sorry for the delay but the camp was indoors anyway so even throwing it from one end of the hall to the other wasn't very far.

I mean I have bigger (less small?) muscles on my right shoulder than left, especially at the front. The bowling coach at the camp partly dealt with that in that he said my bowling got the majority of it's power from my right shoulder and I need to use my left arm/shoulder not just as a guide but for pace as well.

As it turned out I was fielding close yesterday anyway because I pulled a muscle pretty badly in my left thigh when running a quick single and I couldn't really run/bowl on it - didn't stop me trying though!! It's fine this morning but I'm gonna take it easy because it's a big game on saturday.

 

[Liz Ward]

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I mean I have bigger (less small?) muscles on my right shoulder than left, especially at the front.

Ah, I see! This muscle imbalance will have an effect; quite a big one.

Firstly, the fact that your muscles are less small on your right shoulder will impact on your posture and cause a lot of other muscles to activate incorrectly to overcompensate.

Secondly, the fact that your anterior deltoid on that side is out of balance with the posterior, and possible medial, deltoid could put you at risk of injury

 

[Jelly Beanz]

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Yeah we thought it might so I'm going to go see a physio about it. In terms of stuff to do I guess its just do lots of stuff that uses the muscles at the back of my right shoulder and all of my left shoulder specifically?