Why i think Australia lost the Ashes
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Re: Why i think Australia lost the Ashes
Have to say I disagree there. Flintoff had one innings when he fired and took a 5fer. The rest of the series he limped through and only really inspired via personality (well, more through geeing up the crowd). Rarely fired with the bat either.
I can't really see how you can claim Panesar was really good. They guy played one test taking 1 for 115. Ok, he hung around at the end but that was more to do with the strange bowling selection from Ponting than his ability.
Whilst England were marginally more settled I hardly think Australia were 'blooding heaps' of players. Apart from Manou (who was a last minute replacement) no-one made their début in the series and all had played a few tests before. I mean come on, someone such as Watson may have only played 11 tests but the guy has been around for what seems like forever.
Also, bringing new players into the team can be positive just as it can have a negative effect. They carry no scars and if given a little bit of assurance can generally play their own game, especially as it takes a little while for teams to suss out weaknesses, hence a lot of players having a great first season but dropping away during their second.
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Have to say I disagree there. Flintoff had one innings when he fired and took a 5fer. The rest of the series he limped through and only really inspired via personality (well, more through geeing up the crowd). Rarely fired with the bat either.
I can't really see how you can claim Panesar was really good. They guy played one test taking 1 for 115. Ok, he hung around at the end but that was more to do with the strange bowling selection from Ponting than his ability.
Whilst England were marginally more settled I hardly think Australia were 'blooding heaps' of players. Apart from Manou (who was a last minute replacement) no-one made their début in the series and all had played a few tests before. I mean come on, someone such as Watson may have only played 11 tests but the guy has been around for what seems like forever.
Also, bringing new players into the team can be positive just as it can have a negative effect. They carry no scars and if given a little bit of assurance can generally play their own game, especially as it takes a little while for teams to suss out weaknesses, hence a lot of players having a great first season but dropping away during their second.
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Re: Why i think Australia lost the Ashes
Re: Watson / new players.... Yeah the problem with Watson he's injury prone. Whether it is his shoulder, knee or even sickness he's out for ages.
The Australian cricket team brought in new players in the Indian series. Those new players have played around 15 tests together now. Could be less or more. But look they are only the "babies" of the team who are crawling instead of walking on their two feet.
I find with blooding new players at once is harder for the captain to control. The skipper has to encourage all his players and as well as that he has to teach them to bowl and or bat with confidence, and to field really well by taking wickets and catches and generally being good sports about it.
Whilst the England team have blooded some new players I think it would have been one or two guys at a time, the others who we didn't know about have played 20 or more tests..... More experience means more confidence.
You can disagree as much as you like but the truth is that the poms were way too good for us and were on top right from the word go.mas cambios;367007 said:
Re: Watson / new players.... Yeah the problem with Watson he's injury prone. Whether it is his shoulder, knee or even sickness he's out for ages.
The Australian cricket team brought in new players in the Indian series. Those new players have played around 15 tests together now. Could be less or more. But look they are only the "babies" of the team who are crawling instead of walking on their two feet.
I find with blooding new players at once is harder for the captain to control. The skipper has to encourage all his players and as well as that he has to teach them to bowl and or bat with confidence, and to field really well by taking wickets and catches and generally being good sports about it.
Whilst the England team have blooded some new players I think it would have been one or two guys at a time, the others who we didn't know about have played 20 or more tests..... More experience means more confidence.
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Re: Why i think Australia lost the Ashes
Yeah I did. But did you see the guys who I put in bold from your list..... I don't really think you read my post.breeno;366881 said:
Re-read my first post....
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Re: Why i think Australia lost the Ashes
Australia lost the ashes because we no longer have Lillee, Thomson, Marsh, Border and the rest of the gang. Without these stars of the past, Australia should not be expected to win any future series EVER.
Australia lost the ashes because we no longer have Lillee, Thomson, Marsh, Border and the rest of the gang. Without these stars of the past, Australia should not be expected to win any future series EVER.
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Re: Why i think Australia lost the Ashes
Can't you bunch of students move on?
England got lucky, that's why they won the ashes, it was pure arse. From coin tosses, to doctored wickets, to umpires, to overhead conditions, you name it.
This notion that England hatched some sort of masterplan and that they are a team on the rise will be blown to pieces in the next 12 months, they are an ordinary team - especially now that they have lost Flintoff.
The Ashes are dead and gone, time for you lot to move on, if any English fans want to continue to bask in Ashes glory, then good luck to them.
Can't you bunch of students move on?
England got lucky, that's why they won the ashes, it was pure arse. From coin tosses, to doctored wickets, to umpires, to overhead conditions, you name it.
This notion that England hatched some sort of masterplan and that they are a team on the rise will be blown to pieces in the next 12 months, they are an ordinary team - especially now that they have lost Flintoff.
The Ashes are dead and gone, time for you lot to move on, if any English fans want to continue to bask in Ashes glory, then good luck to them.