Wrist Spin Bowling (part Five)

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doc8176 said:
I’m guessing most, if not all of you, are specialist bowlers and not really all rounders.

But regardless, do you find that as your batting picks up a bit your bowling tends to fall off and vice versa.

Sorted out the problem with my batting (too tense, I just relaxed more lol) and had a pretty mediocre session with the ball. Could be because I’m also trying to sort out my ideal stock ball pace and it’s playing around with my consistency a bit. But it almost happens in cycles where I’ll bowl well but bat poorly and then it rotates around to where I bat well but bowl poorly.
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Well I'm an opening batsman, but I actually find it the opposite. When I score runs, I have more confidence in my bowling, and seem to bowl better. However, alot of the time I don't score runs, and I just bowl alright. So in short, most of the time my bowling is alright but it's my batting that I usually perform poorly in - but this season I reckon if I can get some runs my bowling will benefit greatly.

Where do you bat in the order?

Btw for context in the last season I only really had one good batting innings out of around 10, so that is probably why I can't give you the best answer haha.
 
Leggy88 said:
Well I'm an opening batsman, but I actually find it the opposite. When I score runs, I have more confidence in my bowling, and seem to bowl better. However, alot of the time I don't score runs, and I just bowl alright. So in short, most of the time my bowling is alright but it's my batting that I usually perform poorly in - but this season I reckon if I can get some runs my bowling will benefit greatly.

Where do you bat in the order?

Btw for context in the last season I only really had one good batting innings out of around 10, so that is probably why I can't give you the best answer haha.
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Oh ok I was mistaken then haha. Yeah I’ve heard of a few people like that.

I can’t really give you an answer for where I bat. Everywhere I guess, I’m starting at 8 in our B grade side and have been told I can work my way up. But I have opened for our C grade and had quite a few shots at No. 4 for C grade. I made a nice 35 last season (off like 80 balls lol).
 
doc8176 said:
Oh ok I was mistaken then haha. Yeah I’ve heard of a few people like that.

I can’t really give you an answer for where I bat. Everywhere I guess, I’m starting at 8 in our B grade side and have been told I can work my way up. But I have opened for our C grade and had quite a few shots at No. 4 for C grade. I made a nice 35 last season (off like 80 balls lol).
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Nice man, hopefully you can work your way up in the B grade too.
 
Leggy88 said:
Nice man, hopefully you can work your way up in the B grade too.
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Yeah batted really nicely at training last night. I usually struggle for timing but I was absolutely crunching some through cover.

When I’m consistently flicking off my pads it means I’m on too. Felt really nice after a pretty awful start to the preseason.
 
doc8176 said:
Yeah batted really nicely at training last night. I usually struggle for timing but I was absolutely crunching some through cover.

When I’m consistently flicking off my pads it means I’m on too. Felt really nice after a pretty awful start to the preseason.
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Thats good to hear. How is your bowling coming along too?
Do you train on turf or astro in these trainings?
For me, if I get my straight drive right then I know I'm playing well.
 
Leggy88 said:
Thats good to hear. How is your bowling coming along too?
Do you train on turf or astro in these trainings?
For me, if I get my straight drive right then I know I'm playing well.
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My bowling is kinda weird, I struggle to keep everything together for multiple sessions in a row.

Although that’s becoming less of a problem and I’m now kinda struggling with getting my pace and flight right. I find it takes a few sessions for me to adjust to changing the flight I have on my stock ball. Which is somewhat strange because I can normally vary my pace fine within a session.

Always Astro, I play for like an outer suburbs club so it’s not like one of the premier clubs that have turf nets. In fact we don’t even have a turf wicket, and I’ve only ever played on turf once and apparently it was quite a bad wicket (it’s now been converted to syntho because the the club it belonged to moved to a newly built sports complex).

Yeah, I think I’m more naturally a square of the wicket player, a bit weird given I’m quite tall but I guess it’s just how I play. I mainly get runs off my pads, a cut shot, cover drives and probably my best shot where I stand up to a good length ball and slam it through covers (kinda like Zak Crawley does). Can’t quite get the confidence to play a pull shot off fast bowling, I’ve got it going off spin which is good progress. I can also lap and slog sweep spinners, also enjoy walking down and belting them through the off side (along the floor).
 
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doc8176 said:
My bowling is kinda weird, I struggle to keep everything together for multiple sessions in a row.

Although that’s becoming less of a problem and I’m now kinda struggling with getting my pace and flight right. I find it takes a few sessions for me to adjust to changing the flight I have on my stock ball. Which is somewhat strange because I can normally vary my pace fine.

Always Astro, I play for like an outer suburbs club so it’s not like one of the premier clubs that have turf nets. In fact we don’t even have a turf wicket, and I’ve only ever played on turf once and apparently it was quite a bad wicket (it’s now been converted to syntho because the the club it belonged to moved to a newly built sports complex).
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Hmm, yeah pace and flight are tough to master. Right now I just need to cut out the odd full toss and one down leg, then I should be right for the season.
That's a shame you haven't really got to play on turf much. We get to train on astroturf and play games on turf. Turf is a dream to bowl spin on compared to astroturf.
 
Leggy88 said:
My stats from 4 seasons are:

Overs- 288.2
Maidens- 17
Wickets- 72
Average- 17.32
Strike Rate- 24
Economy- 4.32

It would be nice to reach 100 wickets this year. All I'd need is 28 wickets in 20 games or more if we make finals.

Keep in mind that these seasons range from u14s to u18s. If I take out my earlier years, my average and strike rate climb a couple points.
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That's pretty good too SR of 24!
 
Leggy88 said:
Hmm, yeah pace and flight are tough to master. Right now I just need to cut out the odd full toss and one down leg, then I should be right for the season.
That's a shame you haven't really got to play on turf much. We get to train on astroturf and play games on turf. Turf is a dream to bowl spin on compared to astroturf.
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I'm sitting here thinking how weird it is you all play on sml - IMG_5799.jpg Astro. Blog the 2nd wicket southchurch park.jpg IMG_5675.JPG I could paste them all in, but I feel like I'm gloating now 😁 These are early season wickets.
 
Leggy88 said:
Hmm, yeah pace and flight are tough to master. Right now I just need to cut out the odd full toss and one down leg, then I should be right for the season.
That's a shame you haven't really got to play on turf much. We get to train on astroturf and play games on turf. Turf is a dream to bowl spin on compared to astroturf.
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Yeah it’s looking like I’m going to be one of the core players for the B grade side this season and we’re playing 9 out of 14 games on turf, should be great. Apparently some of the turf pitches in the league spin quite a bit, particularly towards the edges of the pitch because they haven’t been rolled out as much on the edge.
 
SomeblokecalledDave. said:
Yeah I reckon you'd love it, most of the Aussies I've ever met do love a bit of England and vice versa, I surf as well and would love to spend a 2 or 3 months in Australia.
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Well when I play grade and work my way up the ranks I will try and get a gig with an english club side. A lot of people in my club do that.
 
I think I’ve found the what might be the source of my issues. I’ve been too focused on my body action and just assumed that it was coming out my hand right every time. Which it technically is every time, buts it’s coming out slightly different each time.

So i was just spinning it and trying to get it directly up from my hand, rotating around the axis I want it too. Some would go straight up where I want them to and have good spin, and others would go maybe to the left or right and have a bit less spin on it. I think it comes down to what part of my spinning finger is actually touching the ball.

It looks exactly the same in my hand but I think I’ve been more spinning the ball from halfway down my finger, or more precisely, I haven’t been consistently releasing the ball from the print of my finger. I focused on that and I really noticed the consistency increased and my finger was snapping over the ball nicely.

It’s why I love and hate bowling spin at the same time. There’s so many small things you can change to improve your bowling, but there’s also so many small things that will completely ruin it.
 
doc8176 said:
I think I’ve found the what might be the source of my issues. I’ve been too focused on my body action and just assumed that it was coming out my hand right every time. Which it technically is every time, buts it’s coming out slightly different each time.

So i was just spinning it and trying to get it directly up from my hand, rotating around the axis I want it too. Some would go straight up where I want them to and have good spin, and others would go maybe to the left or right and have a bit less spin on it. I think it comes down to what part of my spinning finger is actually touching the ball.

It looks exactly the same in my hand but I think I’ve been more spinning the ball from halfway down my finger, or more precisely, I haven’t been consistently releasing the ball from the print of my finger. I focused on that and I really noticed the consistency increased and my finger was snapping over the ball nicely.

It’s why I love and hate bowling spin at the same time. There’s so many small things you can change to improve your bowling, but there’s also so many small things that will completely ruin it.
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That's a good breakthrough to have just before the season
 
Leggy88 said:
Well when I play grade and work my way up the ranks I will try and get a gig with an english club side. A lot of people in my club do that.
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Even if you came over here for a extended holiday in the summer and just aimed to travel around and look at stuff, you could just sign up to a club nearest your 'Base' and play league cricket, you'd be greeted with open arms at most clubs I reckon. Just the idea of someone doing that - everybody would be like whoa! They'd be impressed.
 
doc8176 said:
I think I’ve found the what might be the source of my issues. I’ve been too focused on my body action and just assumed that it was coming out my hand right every time. Which it technically is every time, buts it’s coming out slightly different each time.

So i was just spinning it and trying to get it directly up from my hand, rotating around the axis I want it too. Some would go straight up where I want them to and have good spin, and others would go maybe to the left or right and have a bit less spin on it. I think it comes down to what part of my spinning finger is actually touching the ball.

It looks exactly the same in my hand but I think I’ve been more spinning the ball from halfway down my finger, or more precisely, I haven’t been consistently releasing the ball from the print of my finger. I focused on that and I really noticed the consistency increased and my finger was snapping over the ball nicely.

It’s why I love and hate bowling spin at the same time. There’s so many small things you can change to improve your bowling, but there’s also so many small things that will completely ruin it.
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Yeah I was tweaking things for years trying all sorts that people were suggesting. I still get tempted to reverting back to that mind set again when if things don't go right. I didn't really get anywhere till I though Oh F*** it, I'm just going to bowl how I feel is right and not worry about the nuances only then with a far more relaxed attitude have things come together. I think if you feel you have issues you can go down a wormhole and over-complicate things. Hopefully with this resolved you can just get on an bowl.
 
Just tried to work out my bowling data for the season. I can't find records for two games and I reckon there's another 3 or 4 wickets there and in both games I went OK, but the data I can find is... 129 - 9 - 519 - 27 which works out average of 19.22 Strike rate 28.6 Economy 4.02. I'm happy with that and I was the 4th Highest wicket taker in the club this year with the club pro being in front of me and a kid that played in adult games, under 17's, under 15's and under 14's - he played a lot of cricket - good bowler though. The official data and games that actually got recorded here... 1694980373013.png
 
SomeblokecalledDave. said:
Just tried to work out my bowling data for the season. I can't find records for two games and I reckon there's another 3 or 4 wickets there and in both games I went OK, but the data I can find is... 129 - 9 - 519 - 27 which works out average of 19.22 Strike rate 28.6 Economy 4.02. I'm happy with that and I was the 4th Highest wicket taker in the club this year with the club pro being in front of me and a kid that played in adult games, under 17's, under 15's and under 14's - he played a lot of cricket - good bowler though. The official data and games that actually got recorded here...View attachment 2187
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Is this one of your best seasons ever?
 
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