Wrist Spin Bowling (part Five)

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TheCat said:
Just found this site and though I'd introduce myself. Just switched club and finally downed the keeping gloves for what has always been the dream of being a twirlyman and saw this when looking for tips and drills. Been dabbling in nets for a couple of years now with some degree of focus towards the end of last season, lots of work over the current off season and I'm feeling not too bad before the start of pre-season nets. The one issue I'm having is having worked on flexibility to allow me to ball a half decent googly I've found more often than not my top spinners are coming out with the seam pointing towards a very fine leg. I find if i keep my thumb off the ball and really focus on pointing it towards the batsmen then it will carry on straight or turn a bit to off but I'm worried this will make it really easy to pick. Anyone got any ideas or tips for a relatively quick fix rather than another season of toil and practice? Just wanted to finish by sating thank you to all who have and continue to contribute to this site/thread as it's been a real joy to read through for thinking points as well as tips and encouragement.

JC
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What's your Leg Break like - you've not mentioned that?
 
Leg break is generally a bit variable. Seam alignment never an issue seem to be lucky that it just comes out of the hand nice and straight. Generally its very square, I tend not to get too much dip but lots of drift in to the right hander, occasionally the seam is straighter. Normally when I'm trying to slow it down a bit as I worry I'm a little bit Afridi at times and bowling quick drifters that turn. Feel I would be more effective if I could retain most of the speed but change the seam alignment so its more to 45 degrees rather than square to generate more dip.
 
TheCat said:
Leg break is generally a bit variable. Seam alignment never an issue seem to be lucky that it just comes out of the hand nice and straight. Generally its very square, I tend not to get too much dip but lots of drift in to the right hander, occasionally the seam is straighter. Normally when I'm trying to slow it down a bit as I worry I'm a little bit Afridi at times and bowling quick drifters that turn. Feel I would be more effective if I could retain most of the speed but change the seam alignment so its more to 45 degrees rather than square to generate more dip.
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Welcome JC TheCat. Going back to your first post, I wouldn't worry too much about the topspinner not coming out exact or being picked too easily.

You could be right about moving the seam for your legbreak around more to 45 degrees. Not just dip but the topspin helps give the ball some nip and bounce off the wicket. But still bowl the real square seaming legbreak from time to time.

Hope you hang around a bit and maybe also give us a bit of a wicketkeepers perspective of legspin.
 
They'll pull the plug on this thread soon - do you reckon we should stick with Wrist Spin Bowling or re-name it Leg Spin Bowling? I'd have been all for the change a while back, but at the minute we seem to have a good crowd on here and it might be that the name 'Wrist Spin Bowling' is picked up by the more discerning forum contributor?
 
I would honestly be suprised if people who wanted quality leg spin advice and discussion (still new here so I'll stay on your good sides) wouldn't think to click on wrist spin, to me the 2 are almost synonomous. That being said if we're here to help all those who want regardless of ability the more obvious heading might be more helpful.

On a seperate note just joined up to pitchvision having been playing with the idea for a while and one of the coaches on there really stresses the need to keep the thumb on the ball, to the point of telling you the exact position it should be in. Now I've only ever heard coaches and players say it's personal choice. Been doing some playing around during my daily spinning from hand to hand that's really beginning to get up my new housemates nose and honestly I only ever find it a massive hinderance. Just wondered if anyone else had ever heard of the thumb being integral to the action and if so what role does it play in the mechanics?
 
TheCat said:
I would honestly be suprised if people who wanted quality leg spin advice and discussion (still new here so I'll stay on your good sides) wouldn't think to click on wrist spin, to me the 2 are almost synonomous. That being said if we're here to help all those who want regardless of ability the more obvious heading might be more helpful.

On a seperate note just joined up to pitchvision having been playing with the idea for a while and one of the coaches on there really stresses the need to keep the thumb on the ball, to the point of telling you the exact position it should be in. Now I've only ever heard coaches and players say it's personal choice. Been doing some playing around during my daily spinning from hand to hand that's really beginning to get up my new housemates nose and honestly I only ever find it a massive hinderance. Just wondered if anyone else had ever heard of the thumb being integral to the action and if so what role does it play in the mechanics?
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We'll see what the consensus is. Re the thumb, there's another bloke yesterday who was saying on one of the threads that his coach had advised him to use his thumb and he was saying that he got an immediate improvement in his bowling with the ball turning off the wicket far more, so there may be something in it. The simple answer is - gibe it a go and if it works for you as an indiviudual then bowl with your grip like that. Other than that here' s plug for my blog http://www.mpafirsteleven.blogspot.com/2012/01/sidearm-pro-cricket.html I've been using a sidearm with my lads and its working out well.

You should link the Pitchvision page here, so we can all have a look, I'd go and have a look around, but I find pitchvision a nightmare to negotiate!
 
TheCat said:
I would honestly be suprised if people who wanted quality leg spin advice and discussion (still new here so I'll stay on your good sides) wouldn't think to click on wrist spin, to me the 2 are almost synonomous. That being said if we're here to help all those who want regardless of ability the more obvious heading might be more helpful.

On a seperate note just joined up to pitchvision having been playing with the idea for a while and one of the coaches on there really stresses the need to keep the thumb on the ball, to the point of telling you the exact position it should be in. Now I've only ever heard coaches and players say it's personal choice. Been doing some playing around during my daily spinning from hand to hand that's really beginning to get up my new housemates nose and honestly I only ever find it a massive hinderance. Just wondered if anyone else had ever heard of the thumb being integral to the action and if so what role does it play in the mechanics?
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Its exactly as Dave said, its only integral if it feels right for you. For me you might as well tell me to use my little finger more or my nose. That's how little part it plays in my grip (excepting the flipper of course). Any coach that tries to force you to use your thumb and states explicitly that its wrong to do otherwise has no idea what he's on about in my opinion and should be jettisoned forthwith! As Warnie once famously said of John Buchanan "A coach is what you travel to and from the game in". ;) Trust yourself I say, for something as personal as a grip, as long as its basically right, only you know best. And the pantheon of all time great spinners would agree with you.
 
GoldenArm said:
Its exactly as Dave said, its only integral if it feels right for you. For me you might as well tell me to use my little finger more or my nose. That's how little part it plays in my grip (excepting the flipper of course). Any coach that tries to force you to use your thumb and states explicitly that its wrong to do otherwise has no idea what he's on about in my opinion and should be jettisoned forthwith! As Warnie once famously said of John Buchanan "A coach is what you travel to and from the game in". ;) Trust yourself I say, for something as personal as a grip, as long as its basically right, only you know best. And the pantheon of all time great spinners would agree with you.
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To add to that - Philpott would be of the same opinion too, he says the 2 up 2 down grip is only the starting point, what you do from there on in is up to you and if your grip is unconventional that's not a problem as long as it works for you.
 
See nines new innovation for the tests. The revs counter for spinners. The offies were getting 38 revs per second, love to see what a leggie gets.
 
chippyben said:
See nines new innovation for the tests. The revs counter for spinners. The offies were getting 38 revs per second, love to see what a leggie gets.
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The highest rev count so far I have seen on nine has been Dave Warners legbreaks. They were 40-42 revs a second.

So the part time legspinner was getting more revs on the ball than the full time offspinners of India and Australia.
 
Warnies first ball tonight in Perth right on the spot. Second ball Paul Collingwood charges down the wicket, beaten by a legbreak but the WK misses a very easy stumping.

Warne did not bowl one bad ball in 4 overs. Nothing too short, full or wide. Varies his pace. Unlucky not to have 3 wickets. Masterly performance from Warne.
 
macca said:
The highest rev count so far I have seen on nine has been Dave Warners legbreaks. They were 40-42 revs a second.

So the part time legspinner was getting more revs on the ball than the full time offspinners of India and Australia.
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Jim 2109 was ridiculously fast as I recall him telling us.
 
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