1st Test: Australia Vs India in Melbourne
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Re: 1st Test: Australia Vs India in Melbourne
Pathan is ********, there's no doubt about it. Has a test bowling average of 31.65 which is way above what is should be. That figure suggest he struggles to take wickets on pitches that aren't conducive for bowling. If India are to succeed against Australia, they'll need to take wickets on these Australian pitches as on occasions, they'll be brilliant to bat on.
The last ten innings he has bowled in has netted him an average of 47.09, hardly a threatening figure to the Australians.
I think India will struggle to take 20 Australian wickets. I really don't see them doing it. They've had no trouble bashing up the lesser teams such as Pakistan and England but Australia will be their true test.
Chandu;199342 said:
Pathan is ********, there's no doubt about it. Has a test bowling average of 31.65 which is way above what is should be. That figure suggest he struggles to take wickets on pitches that aren't conducive for bowling. If India are to succeed against Australia, they'll need to take wickets on these Australian pitches as on occasions, they'll be brilliant to bat on.
The last ten innings he has bowled in has netted him an average of 47.09, hardly a threatening figure to the Australians.
I think India will struggle to take 20 Australian wickets. I really don't see them doing it. They've had no trouble bashing up the lesser teams such as Pakistan and England but Australia will be their true test.
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Chandu
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Re: 1st Test: Australia Vs India in Melbourne
All those latest statistics about latest form you quoted are correct. But another question is, does Pathan have capability to turn the course of a match with moments of brilliance? The answer is absolutely yes. There you were himself praising him in the thread I quoted. The only bowler to have taken a test hattrick in the opening over of a match, that too score being on 0. (Amazingly, India went on to lose that match. But that wasn't Pathan's fault, and that's irrelevant to the point being discussed.)
Also, does Pathan have anything in his track record for having produced moments of magic (potentially match turning) in Australian conditions? Absolutely.
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/...ECARDS/IND_AUS_T4_02-06JAN2004_BBB-COMMS.html
[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]78.4 Pathan to Gilchrist, OUT: beaten by a deadly inswinging yorker that
takes out his leg stump, where did that come from?
[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE] Australia 341/6, Partnership of 30
AC Gilchrist b Pathan 6 (25b 1x4 0x6)
SM Katich 50* (61b 6x4) IK Pathan 14.4-2-46-2 (2w 3nb)[/FONT]
Ljp86;199386 said:
All those latest statistics about latest form you quoted are correct. But another question is, does Pathan have capability to turn the course of a match with moments of brilliance? The answer is absolutely yes. There you were himself praising him in the thread I quoted. The only bowler to have taken a test hattrick in the opening over of a match, that too score being on 0. (Amazingly, India went on to lose that match. But that wasn't Pathan's fault, and that's irrelevant to the point being discussed.)
Also, does Pathan have anything in his track record for having produced moments of magic (potentially match turning) in Australian conditions? Absolutely.
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/...ECARDS/IND_AUS_T4_02-06JAN2004_BBB-COMMS.html
[FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE]78.4 Pathan to Gilchrist, OUT: beaten by a deadly inswinging yorker that
takes out his leg stump, where did that come from?
[/FONT][FONT=COURIER NEW,COURIER,MONOSPACE] Australia 341/6, Partnership of 30
AC Gilchrist b Pathan 6 (25b 1x4 0x6)
SM Katich 50* (61b 6x4) IK Pathan 14.4-2-46-2 (2w 3nb)[/FONT]
Tassietigersrule
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Re: 1st Test: Australia Vs India in Melbourne
The Australian selectors in particular are saying that they're favouring towards picking Hogg because it adds something different. Please, it's even more different picking 4 quickies. I read that it's been 16 years, yes that's right, SIXTEEN years since they picked 4 specialist quick bowlers. Yes it does add balance to have a specialist spinner to the attack, but if Australia are ever going to have 4 quicks picked, it's this test. Although Johnson has lost his place in the one-day side recently, it's only becuase of a resurgent Tait who, depsite having injury problems, is considered ahead of Johnson in the pecking order and I did write once that it's extremely difficult to jump the queue. Anyway, Johnson has impressed heaps in his 2 tests so far, it would be unfair to drop him. The 4th bowling spot is obviously between Tait, Johnson and Hogg. I'm going to predict that Tait will be picked and depending on the pitch conditions, it will be between Hogg and Johnson.
The Australian selectors in particular are saying that they're favouring towards picking Hogg because it adds something different. Please, it's even more different picking 4 quickies. I read that it's been 16 years, yes that's right, SIXTEEN years since they picked 4 specialist quick bowlers. Yes it does add balance to have a specialist spinner to the attack, but if Australia are ever going to have 4 quicks picked, it's this test. Although Johnson has lost his place in the one-day side recently, it's only becuase of a resurgent Tait who, depsite having injury problems, is considered ahead of Johnson in the pecking order and I did write once that it's extremely difficult to jump the queue. Anyway, Johnson has impressed heaps in his 2 tests so far, it would be unfair to drop him. The 4th bowling spot is obviously between Tait, Johnson and Hogg. I'm going to predict that Tait will be picked and depending on the pitch conditions, it will be between Hogg and Johnson.
Tassietigersrule
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Re: 1st Test: Australia Vs India in Melbourne
India are like schizophrenics are they Chandu? Yeah, well you don't know which one will turn up, but in my opinion the schizos in cricket are the opponents you just played, Pakistan. How did they go in India, depsite losing?
On Pathan, I really do think he has the ability to become one of the great all-rounders of cricket. But does he know what role India want him to play? They keep shuffling him up and down the order and it's probably affecting his bowling. Hopefully the India we see are the ones that bring the best out of themselves, because if this happens, it will be a thrilling series. Here are my test XI predictions for the first test lineups:
Australia India
1. Phil Jaques 1. Rahul Dravid
2. Matthew Hayden 2. Virender Sehwag
3. Ricky Ponting 3. Sourav Ganguly
4. Michael Hussey 4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Michael Clarke 5 VVS Laxman
6. Andrew Symonds 6. Yuvraj Singh
7. Adam Gilchrist 7. MS Dhoni
8. Brad Hogg 8. Irfan Pathan
9. Brett Lee 9. Anil Kumble
10. Stuart Clark 10. Harbahjan Singh
11. Shaun Tait 11. Zaheer Khan
India are like schizophrenics are they Chandu? Yeah, well you don't know which one will turn up, but in my opinion the schizos in cricket are the opponents you just played, Pakistan. How did they go in India, depsite losing?
On Pathan, I really do think he has the ability to become one of the great all-rounders of cricket. But does he know what role India want him to play? They keep shuffling him up and down the order and it's probably affecting his bowling. Hopefully the India we see are the ones that bring the best out of themselves, because if this happens, it will be a thrilling series. Here are my test XI predictions for the first test lineups:
Australia India
1. Phil Jaques 1. Rahul Dravid
2. Matthew Hayden 2. Virender Sehwag
3. Ricky Ponting 3. Sourav Ganguly
4. Michael Hussey 4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Michael Clarke 5 VVS Laxman
6. Andrew Symonds 6. Yuvraj Singh
7. Adam Gilchrist 7. MS Dhoni
8. Brad Hogg 8. Irfan Pathan
9. Brett Lee 9. Anil Kumble
10. Stuart Clark 10. Harbahjan Singh
11. Shaun Tait 11. Zaheer Khan
Re: 1st Test: Australia Vs India in Melbourne
That's all well and good but these performances are from a while ago. What's Pathan done lately with the ball? Pretty much nothing. Pathan hasn't done anything significant to turn a match in recent times nor he has had a big influence on any one game.
I don't think his form of late is dangerous enough to worry the Australian batsman. I'll reserve more of my judgement until this test starts but I still don't rate Pathan all that highly.
You still following me around? I think you really need to get over your obsession mate. @|
Chandu;199402 said:
That's all well and good but these performances are from a while ago. What's Pathan done lately with the ball? Pretty much nothing. Pathan hasn't done anything significant to turn a match in recent times nor he has had a big influence on any one game.
I don't think his form of late is dangerous enough to worry the Australian batsman. I'll reserve more of my judgement until this test starts but I still don't rate Pathan all that highly.
jimmy said:
You still following me around? I think you really need to get over your obsession mate. @|
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Chandu
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Re: 1st Test: Australia Vs India in Melbourne
You're absolutely correct. In fact, I even wonder if his good batting form has been a bit of detriment to his bowling capability. When he came onto national team scene, I don't believe he was touted as an all-rounder at all. I even remember one of the BCCI selectors being asked on an Indian TV show last year: "Do you desire more wickets out of Pathan or more runs?" And his answer was: "Honestly, we're interested in strong, consistent bowling performance out of Irfan. India has got enough batting talent as it is. Irfan cannot expect to be selected based on his strong batting performance alone."
Tassietigersrule;199429 said:
You're absolutely correct. In fact, I even wonder if his good batting form has been a bit of detriment to his bowling capability. When he came onto national team scene, I don't believe he was touted as an all-rounder at all. I even remember one of the BCCI selectors being asked on an Indian TV show last year: "Do you desire more wickets out of Pathan or more runs?" And his answer was: "Honestly, we're interested in strong, consistent bowling performance out of Irfan. India has got enough batting talent as it is. Irfan cannot expect to be selected based on his strong batting performance alone."
Kram81
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Re: 1st Test: Australia Vs India in Melbourne
1 good win and 1 drawn Test? Not a bad series but hey it's nothing to sing and dance about. Be honest India are woeful on the road.
Sorry I was probably was harsh but India piss me off, soo much talent but always stuff up especially in the big games away from home. True they won the "hit and giggle" World Cup recently which was great but how did they go in the 50 over stuff? Bangladesh made them look like Turkeys. And of course it was all Chappells fault and none of the players . .
Interestingly they have taken last years England approach of playing minimal warm-up matches before the 1st Test. Look, I want India to do well and make this a tough series of it for the good of Test cricket, but they have let everyone down time and time again.
Chandu;199343 said:
1 good win and 1 drawn Test? Not a bad series but hey it's nothing to sing and dance about. Be honest India are woeful on the road.
Sorry I was probably was harsh but India piss me off, soo much talent but always stuff up especially in the big games away from home. True they won the "hit and giggle" World Cup recently which was great but how did they go in the 50 over stuff? Bangladesh made them look like Turkeys. And of course it was all Chappells fault and none of the players . .
Interestingly they have taken last years England approach of playing minimal warm-up matches before the 1st Test. Look, I want India to do well and make this a tough series of it for the good of Test cricket, but they have let everyone down time and time again.
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Chandu
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Re: 1st Test: Australia Vs India in Melbourne
So because Australia lost Ashes on the road, they would have to be considered woeful on the road?
And Zimbabwe made Australia look like Albania in the "hit and giggle" World Cup. And your point is?
Sure, had they won in Twenty20, you wouldn't be calling it "hit and giggle". I find that nothing more than sour grapes. By your logic, even some could call "50 over ODI" as "boring long drawn-out ODI" World Cup. I personally wouldn't. But you realise how absurd your argument sounds if used with the sour grapes bias.
It was Dravid and Tendulkar's fault. They were pathetic in that World Cup. Only Indian player to have played with any heart was Ganguly. (And to a certain extent Yuvraj. I know he beat up on Bermuda, and they were only Bermuda. But as a whole Yuvraj always give honest account of himself.)
India are no England. England are pathetic. They make me sick with their negativity and lack of fight. I used to think Kevin Pietersen had some fight in him, but he wasn't so good in Ashes. He was robbed very badly on one call in Sri Lanka. But even otherwise he wasn't all that special.
I think Yuvraj has got a lot more fight in him that Kevin Pietersen.
Kram81;199646 said:
So because Australia lost Ashes on the road, they would have to be considered woeful on the road?
And Zimbabwe made Australia look like Albania in the "hit and giggle" World Cup. And your point is?
Sure, had they won in Twenty20, you wouldn't be calling it "hit and giggle". I find that nothing more than sour grapes. By your logic, even some could call "50 over ODI" as "boring long drawn-out ODI" World Cup. I personally wouldn't. But you realise how absurd your argument sounds if used with the sour grapes bias.
It was Dravid and Tendulkar's fault. They were pathetic in that World Cup. Only Indian player to have played with any heart was Ganguly. (And to a certain extent Yuvraj. I know he beat up on Bermuda, and they were only Bermuda. But as a whole Yuvraj always give honest account of himself.)
India are no England. England are pathetic. They make me sick with their negativity and lack of fight. I used to think Kevin Pietersen had some fight in him, but he wasn't so good in Ashes. He was robbed very badly on one call in Sri Lanka. But even otherwise he wasn't all that special.
I think Yuvraj has got a lot more fight in him that Kevin Pietersen.
Kram81
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Re: 1st Test: Australia Vs India in Melbourne
You (rightfully) wont believe me but I would still be calling it "hit and giggle" if the Aussies had won. Sure it's great entertainment, but 20/20 isn't the greatest test of player skills unlike the the traditional forms of cricket.
Chandu;199694 said:
You (rightfully) wont believe me but I would still be calling it "hit and giggle" if the Aussies had won. Sure it's great entertainment, but 20/20 isn't the greatest test of player skills unlike the the traditional forms of cricket.
