Australia vs England - The Ashes 2021/22

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Ljp86 said:
Just looking at that list and while there are some impressive records in there for the most recent county season, the overall career records are not too great as per below.

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Player         FC Career Avg    Age      Notes

TJ  Haines         34.03         23      Top order batter
JD  Libby          35.09         28      Top order batter
SD  Robson         37.58         32      Opening batter
DG  Bedingham      46.60         27      South African - ineligible
MJJ Critchley      32.21         25      All-rounder
HM  Amla           48.96         38      South African - ineligible
BC  Brown          40.41         33      Wicketkeeper
LJ  Hill           28.95         31      Wicketkeeper
KS  Carlson        31.55         23      Middle order batter
OJ  Pope           51.23         23      Middle order batter
JJ  Bohannon       43.97         24      Middle order batter
RS  Vasconcelos    36.32         24      South African - ineligible
BT  Slater         33.52         30      Opening batter
DL  Lloyd          29.42         29      Batting all-rounder
MD  Stoneman       34.31         34      Top order batter
SR  Hain           35.94         26      Middle order batter
A   Lyth           37.78         34      Top order batter
JM  Vince          39.06         30      Middle order batter
CB  Cooke          37.75         35      Wicketkeeper
HC  Brook          27.63         22      Middle order batter

From that list, you can rule out Bedingham, Amla and Vasconcelos as they are all South African so are ineligible for selection. Stoneman and Lyth are also unlikely to be considered, both have played test cricket before and didn't cut it at the level, mostly against Australia in the last series here (2017/18 - Stoneman) or in the home series during 2015 (Lyth).

After those eliminations, there are 15 others to consider, one of whom is Pope who has the best record and is touring here. Some of these players are in the early stages of their career but there are not too many decent records there anyway, Bohannon played in the England Lions side against Australia "A" earlier in the season while one wonders why Ben Brown (averaging 40.41 as a wicketkeeper) hasn't got more of an opportunity. Sam Robson played test cricket seven years ago but hasn't received an opportunity since while James Vince has been in and out of the side for some time.

After this test series has been completed, the England selectors will have some decisions to make regarding the batting order and how many of this side will continue for their next series against West Indies in March before their home summer then begins. The coming county season could provide crucial as there may be some spots up for grabs, particularly for their home summer.
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Yes you really need to be averaging at least @40 FC to be considered for a Test cap. Haines looks one to keep an eye on tho, as the leading run scorer this season. Vince is another that has ben tried here and failed. He was Hazlewood's bunny last time he was here for the Ashes or was it in England? As much as I detest an Aussie Sam Robson playing for the old enemy.. he has experience and is in good form. His age, 32, may work against him tho. Sam Hain another Aussie.
 
Renegadesfan said:
it's the fault of the selectors.
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You know that I know that. Our cricket bosses are too precious. Read this.

The ECB has a lot to answer for but they will cop no blame as they sit up in their Lords ivory tower, polishing their knighthood plaques and puffing on their havana cigars while their underlings cop all the flack.. that is skipper Root, coach Silverwood, the batting /bowling coaches and the players.
 
Ritchie said:
You know that I know that. Our cricket bosses are too precious. Read this.

The ECB has a lot to answer for but they will cop no blame as they sit up in their Lords ivory tower, polishing their knighthood plaques and puffing on their havana cigars while their underlings cop all the flack.. that is skipper Root, coach Silverwood, the batting /bowling coaches and the players.
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Many people are saying the same thing.
But it's not the coach that selects the team.
It's the selectors who tend to stuff things up.
Things like not playing Broad and Anderson in the first test.
Then in the second test not playing wood and leach.
Then in the third test they started to get things right.
But then covid struck the support staff and some of the family members.

Also blaming the skipper for all of this is just plain wrong. He needs support.
As does the coach.
They can't get support from a couple of selectors who are farting around with the team.
 
Renegadesfan said:
Many people are saying the same thing.
But it's not the coach that selects the team.
It's the selectors who tend to stuff things up.
Things like not playing Broad and Anderson in the first test.
Then in the second test not playing wood and leach.
Then in the third test they started to get things right.
But then covid struck the support staff and some of the family members.

Also blaming the skipper for all of this is just plain wrong. He needs support.
As does the coach.
They can't get support from a couple of selectors who are farting around with the team.
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Good strong points from you Sooz. Australia's selectors also fart us around. In fact selectors are masters at farting around cricket sides. Most pick the player of their own choice as opposed to the most deserved player. But as I say they stuff up yet remain blameless.
 
Ritchie said:
Good strong points from you Sooz. Australia's selectors also fart us around. In fact selectors are masters at farting around cricket sides. Most pick the player of their own choice as opposed to the most deserved player. But as I say they stuff up yet remain blameless.
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Yeah but the point is they aren't trying to lose a game of cricket.
England are always going to lose a game of test cricket against Australia in Australia.
Why? They aren't used to the warmer conditions over this way.
Also the ball is different. You have to learn how to bowl with both a duke ball and a kookaburra ball in both countries so that you can get used to bowling with it.
The worst thing England are doing right now is not allowing the players to get used to the kookaburra ball.
 
Renegadesfan said:
The worst thing England are doing right now is not allowing the players to get used to the kookaburra ball.
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We used the Dukes ball for four shield seasons to help prepare us for England tours. No reason why England can not use the Kookaburra in the nets or on practice grounds prior to an Aussie tour..
 
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Ritchie said:
That is only a case of shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic mate. They erred in sending home better performing Lions players. Now they are left with demoralised under performers. The ECB has a lot to answer for but they will cop no blame as they sit up in their Lords ivory tower, polishing their knighthood plaques and puffing on their havana cigars while their underlings cop all the flack.
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Perhaps although the Lions side was belted in the first class fixture they played against Australia "A" earlier in the tour so it's not as if they had a lot to choose from. James Bracey scored 113 in the second innings, Ben Foakes made 73 and Josh Bohannon scored 51 but that was it from a batting perspective as they were rolled for 103 in the first innings. The inter squad games in Brisbane were also rained out which didn't give them much of a chance to look at the guys in the Lions squad either.

It was a bit surprising the Lions players didn't stay here longer though, even as cover if someone from the main squad picked up an injury.

Ritchie said:
Yes you really need to be averaging at least @40 FC to be considered for a Test cap. Haines looks one to keep an eye on tho, as the leading run scorer this season. Vince is another that has ben tried here and failed. He was Hazlewood's bunny last time he was here for the Ashes or was it in England? As much as I detest an Aussie Sam Robson playing for the old enemy.. he has experience and is in good form. His age, 32, may work against him tho. Sam Hain another Aussie.
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40 is the minimum really these days although we've seen players in all sides around the world get a gig at international level with averages under that. Not long ago, at least in Australia anyway, you needed close to 50 to be considered. That probably details how good the Australian side was back then.
 
Hate putting a further dampner on the SCG Test but after a week of glorious summer weather in my home town the dreaded La Nina is set to return. So expect perhaps another greentop and rain/storm delays over the five days.
 
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Ljp86 said:
Not long ago, at least in Australia anyway, you needed close to 50 to be considered. That probably details how good the Australian side was back then.
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..or rather how the standard has dropped since those days. I tend to think the latter. CA is eroding red ball cricket slowly but surely. Firstly by leaving out a red ball component for the underage national champs. Secondly cutting the best domestic comp in world cricket in half destroying team and player form and momentum for when it resumes months later. Thirdly cancelling Test tours but not white ball ones during the Pandemic. What is next. I dread to think.
 
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Ritchie said:
We used the Dukes ball for four shield seasons to help prepare us for England tours. No reason why England can not use the Kookaburra in the nets or on practice grounds prior to an Aussie tour..
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An update to this. CA and the ECB may look at an idea proposed by English cricket commentator Isa Guha to open the Shield to English players chosen for the Ashes and likewise allow Aussies access to county cricket before an England Ashes. comments.
 
Time Glenn came back to live and work in Australia. What we'd give to have have him as our bowling coach.
 
Ritchie said:
Time Glenn came back to live and work in Australia. What we'd give to have have him as our bowling coach.
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He lives in Australia and works in Australia but often flies out from Australia.

He got covid from being in a group of people who must of had it.
 
Ritchie said:
Just took a look at hilites. Saffers struggling outside of a pair of good black bowlers. Where is their next Kallis, De Villiers or Steyn coming from?
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The whole Kolpac issue is massive if you know about it, it's caused a mass exodus to England in county cricket in England
 
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