Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

[RazzaTheRooster]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

I reckon I've seen 1 or 2 Round 12 games over the years where both skippers have declared at 0/0 so that an Outright result is made more possible. It has also been done from time to time at Shield level also, and is deemed acceptable there ...

 

[Waka05]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

There's no way you can have a team declare only to give the opposition a win. Blatant match fixing and not fair on all other teams that play by the rules of the game. Sure if one team wants to declare early to lure the opposition with the carrot of a one day type run chase then so be it but you can't agree to declare if a result isn't going to be achieved.Its just not in the spirit of the game.

You'd create a precedence for teams doing it come finals time. Imagine you are in 4th spot and playing for a finals spot. You're in a winning position but if the teams in 5th and 6th win outright you miss the finals no matter what. Then teams in position 5 or 6 agree that no matter what they'll make sure one of them wins outright.....would they deserve to play finals above the team currently occupying 4th? I don't think so.

I disagree, I think it is in the spirit of the game. The spirit of the game I believe only refers to the game you are involved in, not the league or competition. We play for points, maximum points preferably. Whay waste a day of cricket when you know what the result will be? Barring the Roosters losing their heads the game will be a draw. I think having a gentlemens agreement is definitely in the spirit of the game to declare and be fair to each other. As far as I'm concerned stuff the other teams and how the ladder pans out, all we need to care about is ourselves and our own situation.

No 'precendence' will be created at all, as Razza said this has been going on for years and I am more than happy to quote years, grades and rounds that I know for a fact results were fixed to help/hinder certain teams. I've played in the BCA for 10 years now and seen the finals thing on a few occasion mainly done by shit blokes and in those instances I'm definitely against it. This instance is purely a situational one, it's round 5, effectively no play was had with the score 0/0, so why not give each other a real crack at 6 points? Maybe you feel that 3 points is too precious for you to give up on backing your team to beat another? Maybe points don't come your way too often? I dunno, but personally I don't see a problem in this particular instance when there is no advantage for either team, it's just game on. Just my opinion, and by the looks of the last few pages on this site I'm turning into the new Pidgeon Fan..........F%$#!!!!!

 

[Dean Waugh]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

BCA Twenty/20 Cup --- Round 2 results & Semi Final draw

FULL Results online under 20/20 (3 matches)
Ballarat/Redan 9 - 147 lost to Wendouree 8 - 174(BRCC lowest margin loser to semi final)
Golden Point 113 lost to Napoleons/Sebastopol 7 - 170
Buninyong 109 lost to Brown Hill 5 - 196

BCA Twenty/20 Cup Semi Finals

Tuesday 8 December 2009 --- 5.30 pm start
9. Napoleons/Sebastopol v Wendouree at Sebastopol (2) (I. Hardy, P. Mackay)
10. Brown Hill v Ballarat/Redan at Brown Hill (M. Bayly, R. Gay)

 

[cobber14]

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I disagree, I think it is in the spirit of the game. The spirit of the game I believe only refers to the game you are involved in, not the league or competition. We play for points, maximum points preferably. Whay waste a day of cricket when you know what the result will be? Barring the Roosters losing their heads the game will be a draw. I think having a gentlemens agreement is definitely in the spirit of the game to declare and be fair to each other. As far as I'm concerned stuff the other teams and how the ladder pans out, all we need to care about is ourselves and our own situation.

No 'precendence' will be created at all, as Razza said this has been going on for years and I am more than happy to quote years, grades and rounds that I know for a fact results were fixed to help/hinder certain teams. I've played in the BCA for 10 years now and seen the finals thing on a few occasion mainly done by shit blokes and in those instances I'm definitely against it. This instance is purely a situational one, it's round 5, effectively no play was had with the score 0/0, so why not give each other a real crack at 6 points? Maybe you feel that 3 points is too precious for you to give up on backing your team to beat another? Maybe points don't come your way too often? I dunno, but personally I don't see a problem in this particular instance when there is no advantage for either team, it's just game on. Just my opinion, and by the looks of the last few pages on this site I'm turning into the new Pidgeon Fan..........F%$#!!!!!

PIDGE!!!!!!!!! your back, i was wondering if you were still ok.......

 

[Waka05]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

BCA Twenty/20 Cup --- Round 2 results & Semi Final draw

FULL Results online under 20/20 (3 matches)
Ballarat/Redan 9 - 147 lost to Wendouree 8 - 174(BRCC lowest margin loser to semi final)

Heath Pyke 96 off 51 balls. I reckon the first 8 balls he scored 3. Apart from the fact I was fielding at the time, brilliant to watch. Deserved a ton. Pidge

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

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Hey Waka, was it your captain or the umpires that decided you should bat for 7 overs ?

 

[Waka05]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

Hey Waka, was it your captain or the umpires that decided you should bat for 7 overs ?

Twas the umpires there Razza. We had 11 blokes surrounding the stumps begging Ron and Pete to pull them up but BCA rules state that in "normal conditions" we must play 80 overs in the day, so out we trotted unwillingly. Could you tell I wanted to face 2 balls at the end of the days play? I didn't, nor did some of our other blokes, appreciate the comments that were heard as we walked off the ground from your boys too there Razza. We did not "Kick you in the guts", nor are we "C U Next Tuesdays" for making you go out there and field either. I don't expect an apology, just a few of your guys to pull their heads in next time around.

I think a few teams may be in the shit after leaving early on Saturday, even games with umpires. We sure as fluck didn't want to be there but had no choice, others who didn't understand/enforce the rule could be in for a rude shock this week.

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

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Twas the umpires there Razza. We had 11 blokes surrounding the stumps begging Ron and Pete to pull them up but BCA rules state that in "normal conditions" we must play 80 overs in the day, so out we trotted unwillingly.

I thought that may have been the case, particularly when Al and Gerard came out. Hence why I asked.

Could you tell I wanted to face 2 balls at the end of the days play? I didn't, nor did some of our other blokes, appreciate the comments that were heard as we walked off the ground from your boys too there Razza. We did not "Kick you in the guts", nor are we "C U Next Tuesdays" for making you go out there and field either. I don't expect an apology, just a few of your guys to pull their heads in next time around.

I will apologise; that's not how we go about our cricket and I would presume that it was youthful exuberance gone a bit too far. I'm all for it to be game on whilst in session, but once the last ball is bowled it's beer o'clock as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Dean Waugh]

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Twas the umpires there Razza. We had 11 blokes surrounding the stumps begging Ron and Pete to pull them up but BCA rules state that in "normal conditions" we must play 80 overs in the day, so out we trotted unwillingly. Could you tell I wanted to face 2 balls at the end of the days play? I didn't, nor did some of our other blokes, appreciate the comments that were heard as we walked off the ground from your boys too there Razza. We did not "Kick you in the guts", nor are we "C U Next Tuesdays" for making you go out there and field either. I don't expect an apology, just a few of your guys to pull their heads in next time around.

I think a few teams may be in the shit after leaving early on Saturday, even games with umpires. We sure as fluck didn't want to be there but had no choice, others who didn't understand/enforce the rule could be in for a rude shock this week.

It has been a couple of weeks since we recieved a fine so not suprised if BCA wants the bank topped up.

 

[Waka05]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

It has been a couple of weeks since we recieved a fine so not suprised if BCA wants the bank topped up.

Think it might be worse than a fine fella, points may get removed. Just a bad thought but heard something yesterday that had me thanking my lucky stars that Ronnie Bedford and Pete Mann were on the ball and made us play til the end.

 

[Waka05]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

I thought that may have been the case, particularly when Al and Gerard came out. Hence why I asked.


I will apologise; that's not how we go about our cricket and I would presume that it was youthful exuberance gone a bit too far. I'm all for it to be game on whilst in session, but once the last ball is bowled it's beer o'clock as far as I'm concerned.

Apology accepted, and I will pass on to the boys who don't read this fine combination of dribble and sometimes amusing forum that you blokes were just misunderstood and we sha'll pit all responsibility on the usual abusive, abrasive and mostly a prick Draff! (just kidding Draff)

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

Think it might be worse than a fine fella, points may get removed. Just a bad thought but heard something yesterday that had me thanking my lucky stars that Ronnie Bedford and Pete Mann were on the ball and made us play til the end.

Points couldn't possibly be removed from the games that had a paid umpire. Those that didn't ... well, surely common sense has to prevail and the rule regarding ceasing play after a result has been reached may need to be amended to apply to games under ordinary conditions as well.

Heard reports last week that on Day One of Round 5, one particular umpire was steadfast on staying until tea, despite the fact that it was so wet that even Noah wouldn't have got on. However when both captains agreed to pay the umpire the full day's wage, he was happy to call it at 10 to 3 !

 

[Dean Waugh]

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Has Don jumped the gun and cancelled tonights T20 abit early, it hasn't rained for 6 hours in town today but have been told it was cancelled at 10.30? Should have rang Jane Bunn before making a snappy decision like that!

 

[Dean Waugh]

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Seems Don is serious about taking points from last weeks game, he's only problem though is getting pennant committee to approve, which won't happen. Don AGAIN stuck with the common sense issue....

Also, have heard that umpires from games finishing early last week have been stood down to 2nds duties? If this is correct then well done on trying to get more umpires after all, they made a common sense decision, got there money, players, clubs satisfied that result is a draw..... SteveB Thoughts or Confirmation on any of the above?

 

[Waka05]

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Seems Don is serious about taking points from last weeks game, he's only problem though is getting pennant committee to approve, which won't happen. Don AGAIN stuck with the common sense issue....

Also, have heard that umpires from games finishing early last week have been stood down to 2nds duties? If this is correct then well done on trying to get more umpires after all, they made a common sense decision, got there money, players, clubs satisfied that result is a draw..... SteveB Thoughts or Confirmation on any of the above?

I also heard that the umpires would not only be dropped from 1's duties but dropped to out of Ballarat games as punishment. Just my thoughts but in a situation like we had last week would it have been a good idea for either the Pennant committee or the Umpires association to send out a reminder to all umpires of their requirements for the week? In such a blanket situation surely a friendly reminder to avoid this situation would have been handy?

At least now we might be able to navigate around the BCA website to find the rules more easily..........

 

[SteveB]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

Also, have heard that umpires from games finishing early last week have been stood down to 2nds duties? If this is correct then well done on trying to get more umpires after all, they made a common sense decision, got there money, players, clubs satisfied that result is a draw..... SteveB Thoughts or Confirmation on any of the above?

Gibba,

Yes we have been dropped to Div 1.

I have to take the decision to be dropped on the chin, no point complaining, however I am now very confused; I will tell you why...

Some of you may remember in round 2 WCC v GPCC a chopper landed on the ground and more than an hour was lost and play was not in progress at the scheduled close of play. As per rule 11.6.6 we should have called the game off and gone home with the game being a draw. We didn't we made a call to continue the game outside of the BCA rules. This was noted on the Umpires report. No repercussions nothing happened nothing at all!!!

Then in round 5 in a game where there was no chance of a result both captains wanted to end the match so the match ended, yes we went outside the BCA rules (11.7) only this time we are sanctioned?

So why can we do it in Round 2 when both captains were happy to do it but not in round 5, when again both Captains were happy to do it? Not sure hence the confusion.

Not sure what can happen with points, in the end as per BCA rule 1.3 they can do what they want, at their absolute discretion.

On a positive note a couple fo guys get a chance to umpire their first A grade match as for me I am off to Creswick this week, nice part of the world I'll enjoy it....

Steve.

 

[Dean Waugh]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

Gibba,

Yes we have been dropped to Div 1.

I have to take the decision to be dropped on the chin, no point complaining, however I am now very confused; I will tell you why...

Some of you may remember in round 2 WCC v GPCC a chopper landed on the ground and more than an hour was lost and play was not in progress at the scheduled close of play. As per rule 11.6.6 we should have called the game off and gone home with the game being a draw. We didn't we made a call to continue the game outside of the BCA rules. This was noted on the Umpires report. No repercussions nothing happened nothing at all!!!

Then in round 5 in a game where there was no chance of a result both captains wanted to end the match so the match ended, yes we went outside the BCA rules (11.7) only this time we are sanctioned?

So why can we do it in Round 2 when both captains were happy to do it but not in round 5, when again both Captains were happy to do it? Not sure hence the confusion.

Not sure what can happen with points, in the end as per BCA rule 1.3 they can do what they want, at their absolute discretion.

On a positive note a couple fo guys get a chance to umpire their first A grade match as for me I am off to Creswick this week, nice part of the world I'll enjoy it....

Steve.

I'm sure you'll enjoy creswick! I'm sure Muzz will be thrilled to be heading to Vic Park 4.

 

[cobber14]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

Gibba,

Yes we have been dropped to Div 1.

I have to take the decision to be dropped on the chin, no point complaining, however I am now very confused; I will tell you why...

Some of you may remember in round 2 WCC v GPCC a chopper landed on the ground and more than an hour was lost and play was not in progress at the scheduled close of play. As per rule 11.6.6 we should have called the game off and gone home with the game being a draw. We didn't we made a call to continue the game outside of the BCA rules. This was noted on the Umpires report. No repercussions nothing happened nothing at all!!!

Then in round 5 in a game where there was no chance of a result both captains wanted to end the match so the match ended, yes we went outside the BCA rules (11.7) only this time we are sanctioned?

So why can we do it in Round 2 when both captains were happy to do it but not in round 5, when again both Captains were happy to do it? Not sure hence the confusion.

Not sure what can happen with points, in the end as per BCA rule 1.3 they can do what they want, at their absolute discretion.

On a positive note a couple fo guys get a chance to umpire their first A grade match as for me I am off to Creswick this week, nice part of the world I'll enjoy it....

Steve.

& they wonder why people dont wanna become umpires!!!!!

 

[thickedge]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

maybe because the round 2 clash had GOLDEN POINT involved in the game. Opps stop it...............???????????

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

The BCA is a laughing stock - I thank the Lord that Beddo and Manny were on the ball.

I understand that rules are rules and there is no point having rules if they're not enforced, and also that there is a process to get rules changed if we don't like them / they are bloody ridiculous, but gee whiz, at the end of the day we are all just amateurs.

I don't see how points can be taken off sides (in games with umpires, that is), particularly when it is the umpires who dictate the conditions of play. I presume that this is for the games without umpires ? If not 1 ball had been bowled for the entire game, both teams would have got 3 points. Points get taken off clubs who do something grossly bad ie. play an unregistered player, bring the game into disrepute etc etc - I hardly think that calling an end to an unresolvable game is in the same league ? Wouldn't a fine be a more appropriate (and consistent) penalty ?

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Got a couple of totally unrelated questions that I'd like the rules gurus to bite into:

1) Is an absent player counted as a wicket lost for percentage purposes ?

2) If both books don't add up, or the batting, bowling and/or runs don't add up, it is universally accepted that the bowling is right and you make the batting and/or runs match the bowling. In most cases this is within a single figure of runs and adjustment is not that difficult. In very rare cases this changes the result of the game. What happens though when the batting and bowling have a differential of, say for example 24 ? Can the bowling be assumed to be correct when there is a gap this big ?