Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

[Dean Waugh]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

Interested in other peoples' thoughts:

Should there need to be a minimum number of overs completed in the day for ordinary conditions to apply, otherwise call the day off, render the scores null and void and play a one-dayer the next week ?

this topic was well discussed over weekend. Darley v point will get a result. All other games will be draw, is the league in a position if all clubs write to the pennant to modify this rule?

Would any clubs argue on playing a one dayer next week? (Point/Darley excluded)

 

[napisan]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

this topic was well discussed over weekend. Darley v point will get a result. All other games will be draw, is the league in a position if all clubs write to the pennant to modify this rule?

Would any clubs argue on playing a one dayer next week? (Point/Darley excluded)

I'd think you'd find the naps boys would be confident of still getting the 6 points.

 

[Dean Waugh]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

I'd think you'd find the naps boys would be confident of still getting the 6 points.

Fair point, didn't realise they were 4/60!

 

[SteveB]

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this topic was well discussed over weekend. Darley v point will get a result. All other games will be draw, is the league in a position if all clubs write to the pennant to modify this rule?

Would any clubs argue on playing a one dayer next week? (Point/Darley excluded)

Fair to say that most not all, clubs would like to start a one day match...

The rule won't change this year - it can't. However I know for a fact a rule change is already in the wings, just need to determine the over cut off. That will be the difficult decision. How many overs make it a days play?

 

[shakes_7]

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Fair to say that most not all, clubs would like to start a one day match...

The rule won't change this year - it can't. However I know for a fact a rule change is already in the wings, just need to determine the over cut off. That will be the difficult decision. How many overs make it a days play?

One way or the other it is not going to be fair for both teams. Rain never is. The team batting second will always have an advantage by knowing the amount of overs they are due to bat and can adjust their approach to batting accordingly.

I agree there should be a cut off for a days play but I think it needs to be 45-50 overs to allow the team batting first more of a chance to make a game of it.

 

[SteveB]

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I agree there should be a cut off for a days play but I think it needs to be 45-50 overs to allow the team batting first more of a chance to make a game of it.

Shakes,

I reckon 45 - 50 overs is too many, if that was all that was bowled then the second side would still have a huge advantage next week with their 45 overs.

In my opinion the cut-off to eliminate a two day game continuing should be less than 30 overs , possibly even less than 25. Or conversely you take the over equation out of it and state that if more than two hours is lost on the first day then it's now a one day game? Regardless of overs bowled at the stage the time is lost?

These are situations that don't occur very often but still it is better to have a rule that allows both sides a fair crack at a result, the problem is that eventually a scenario will arise that will show a flaw in any rule no matter how well thought out or practical it is.

All clubs need to start thinking of a way around this weekends weather and submit proposals accordingly...

Steve.

 

[Waka05]

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In response to the previous 7 comments on "Rain Rules", an all 1 Day season would solve many of these problems. It would make it a lot easier to call of days of cricket for rain.

Something to think about, and most I hope would think it pointless, but only 1 team this week will bat in each game (barring Darley/Point). Now because of this, only bowlers from one team and batsmen from the other will be in position to perform to poll Cleary votes, would anyone be disappointed if they didn't get that chance to make a run or take a wicket and they may fall short by a vote or two coz someone else fluked the opportunity to perform their task more often?

Back to the question at hand - I don't know that you'll ever get a rule as such that will make the game even if any time is lost and overs are taken from the full 80. It will always benefit the team batting 2nd, as the team batting 1st usually sets up their innings for an assault in the last 15 overs or so. Take those overs away from a team and they're stuck on a very gettable score for the opposition to chase down with wickets in hand.

I think if we keep our 2day format a loss of 90 minutes or more should render the day gone and revert day 2 to a 1 Dayer. Like SteveB said, you'll never get it perfect as something will always pop up, but like him I know there are changes in the wind for next year and it's up to guys like us to go back to our clubs, get the poper delegates to put our ideas across and get the support of the majority to make changes.

45 days Shakes............

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

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I'd be happy with scrapping the result and playing a one-dayer if 2 hours or more are lost - 2 hours lost means it has already been reduced to a 60 over game anyway. It would certainly take away the somewhat ridiculous notion of waiting around until 5pm because you might get a start or get back on by then.

Agree with the commente re: the Cleary, and I spose club B & Fs come into that argument as well.

 

[Waka05]

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I'd be happy with scrapping the result and playing a one-dayer if 2 hours or more are lost - 2 hours lost means it has already been reduced to a 60 over game anyway. It would certainly take away the somewhat ridiculous notion of waiting around until 5pm because you might get a start or get back on by then.

Agree with the commente re: the Cleary, and I spose club B & Fs come into that argument as well.

I'll pose another question. For example our game is 2 overs old with the score 0/0. Would there be a chance of a gentleman's agreement to make it an unofficial 1Day game with a declaration at tea after 40 or so overs? That goes across the board too, not just for our game?

 

[cobber14]

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good to see the bca has gone hard on the promotion in the local media of the T20 comp starting tonight........

gee whiz. T20 is sweeping the game around the world, its been played in our own backyard by our own people & we have absolutely fck all promos telling the public that its on!!!!

what a great way to sell the great game of cricket to the kids, but no........

the ron & don show. 2 blokes just running their own agenda at the expense of the games future.

 

[thickedge]

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waka you can't just play an all one day format. If the competition goes to this then how do we develop the kids that are going to go on and play better cricket. eg. down in melb where in the 1st's and 2nds it is 100 overs a day. Go one step further shield cricket 4 days and so on. We must maintain some resemblance of balance in terms of one day and two day cricket. Why couldn't the duckworth lewis method be applied and the overs that get lost scale back as far down as 20 overs a side. I'm sure that the method hasn't really shown any advantages to either side in international cricket....something to ponder...

 

[SteveB]

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Why couldn't the duckworth lewis method be applied and the overs that get lost scale back as far down as 20 overs a side. I'm sure that the method hasn't really shown any advantages to either side in international cricket....something to ponder...

Thickedge,

The Duckworth Lewis method is great for evening up contests affected by rain.

However it is a complicated beast, just check the following link;

Duckworth Lewis

Whilst being able to use the DL method would be a good thing I doubt we have the people resources for each match to make it practical. There is a lot to work out and it needs to be done ball by ball...


Steve

 

[Waka05]

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waka you can't just play an all one day format. If the competition goes to this then how do we develop the kids that are going to go on and play better cricket. eg. down in melb where in the 1st's and 2nds it is 100 overs a day. Go one step further shield cricket 4 days and so on. We must maintain some resemblance of balance in terms of one day and two day cricket. Why couldn't the duckworth lewis method be applied and the overs that get lost scale back as far down as 20 overs a side. I'm sure that the method hasn't really shown any advantages to either side in international cricket....something to ponder...

Fair call on the kids factor. However with the bowling restrictions imposed on the kids anyway the 1Day format wouldn't really affect them? I'll assume we're talking 14-17 year old kids here developing them through the grades. Maybe, I think if nothing else this really should be happening, the 3's down should be all one day games. Great for the kids to develop, saves them potentially fielding 130 overs in a day if they're playing juniors aswell.

One thing I would say about the developing kids is that should we run our competition to benefit a small minority group of "potential" cricketers? As mnay of us have said here our rep cricket is all 1day format, but we shouldn't be changing everyone for just them either. It's a delicate balance that we'll never get right to suit everyone.

 

[Dean Waugh]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

good to see the bca has gone hard on the promotion in the local media of the T20 comp starting tonight........

gee whiz. T20 is sweeping the game around the world, its been played in our own backyard by our own people & we have absolutely fck all promos telling the public that its on!!!!

what a great way to sell the great game of cricket to the kids, but no........

the ron & don show. 2 blokes just running their own agenda at the expense of the games future.

.......

 

[Waka05]

Re: Ballarat Cricket Association 09/10

good to see the bca has gone hard on the promotion in the local media of the T20 comp starting tonight........

gee whiz. T20 is sweeping the game around the world, its been played in our own backyard by our own people & we have absolutely fck all promos telling the public that its on!!!!

what a great way to sell the great game of cricket to the kids, but no........

the ron & don show. 2 blokes just running their own agenda at the expense of the games future.

Bit harsh I think there Cobber. Would anyone around Ballarat not already involved in a club that is playing give a shit about local 20/20? They promote the final well enough, surely we can't be too critical of a round robin match.

 

[shakes_7]

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It is a really difficult one with rain affected matches. Clearly a season of one day matches would solve this problem but it would create all new ones so I am (as you know Waka) very against it.

Cleary votes i don't think should really come into consideration for any reason of ruling because as a player, most guys would rather get the team 6 points than 3 votes, but I can see how it can harm an individual's chance of winning.

Waka, can't believe 45 days

 

[Waka05]

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For those of us who care, and for those who don't. Results from last night's 20/20 as follows:-

Wendouree 9 - 144 def Brown Hill 139
Ballarat/Redan 166 def Mt. Clear 6 - 152
Napoleons/Sebastopol 9 - 129 def North Ballarat 75
Golden Point 8 - 160 def Lucas 92
Buninyong 5 - 149 def Coronet City 90

DRAW for tomorrow night:-

Ballarat/Redan v Wendouree at Alfredton
Golden Point v Napoleons/Sebastopol at White Flat
Buninyong v Brown Hill at Buninyong

Good fun this 20/20 stuff. BRCC vs WCC the big game I reckon. Some big hitters from both clubs on deck. We'll have the boundaries in for a bit more entertainment at Alfredton for all of you Target Heads out there that hit like girls!!!! Oh yeah, and a BBQ for anyone wanting a feed......and a beer of course!

 

[RazzaTheRooster]

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Would there be a chance of a gentleman's agreement to make it an unofficial 1 Day game with a declaration at tea after 40 or so overs?

Would Skonna declare at 5:59pm when behind ?

Would we set off the "Contrived Result" alarm at BCA headquarters ? I can just see Don running to the "Batmobile" !

 

[Waka05]

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Would Skonna declare at 5:59pm when behind ?

Would we set off the "Contrived Result" alarm at BCA headquarters ? I can just see Don running to the "Batmobile" !

I would expect Skona to declare yes, it has to work both ways. I'd be disappointed if he didn't to save 3 points and go back on his word. I would also expect the BCA to understand the reasons behind such declarations and seeing as only points are on the line (no cash as such) then surely both captains can choose when they declare their innings over? Obviously a decision for both captains to make on Saturday, not one to be taken lightly I'm sure.

For all out there who may be interested, our club is holding our annual "Lunch with a Legend" function tomorrow afternoon. Boony is our Legend and as always Merv is our MC. Unfortunately tickets are sold out however for anyone interested traditionally, and I stress traditionally, Merv and the Legend go up to JD's afterwards for a few pots from around 5pm. I can't guarantee that this will happen again but if you wanna meet the boys and you have nothing else to do then head up there and you could be lucky.

 

[napisan]

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I would expect Skona to declare yes, it has to work both ways. I'd be disappointed if he didn't to save 3 points and go back on his word. I would also expect the BCA to understand the reasons behind such declarations and seeing as only points are on the line (no cash as such) then surely both captains can choose when they declare their innings over? Obviously a decision for both captains to make on Saturday, not one to be taken lightly I'm sure.

For all out there who may be interested, our club is holding our annual "Lunch with a Legend" function tomorrow afternoon. Boony is our Legend and as always Merv is our MC. Unfortunately tickets are sold out however for anyone interested traditionally, and I stress traditionally, Merv and the Legend go up to JD's afterwards for a few pots from around 5pm. I can't guarantee that this will happen again but if you wanna meet the boys and you have nothing else to do then head up there and you could be lucky.

There's no way you can have a team declare only to give the opposition a win. Blatant match fixing and not fair on all other teams that play by the rules of the game. Sure if one team wants to declare early to lure the opposition with the carrot of a one day type run chase then so be it but you can't agree to declare if a result isn't going to be achieved.Its just not in the spirit of the game.

You'd create a precedence for teams doing it come finals time. Imagine you are in 4th spot and playing for a finals spot. You're in a winning position but if the teams in 5th and 6th win outright you miss the finals no matter what. Then teams in position 5 or 6 agree that no matter what they'll make sure one of them wins outright.....would they deserve to play finals above the team currently occupying 4th? I don't think so.