Bonus Points on Averages

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Re: Bonus Points on Averages

Good post Frodo @|

Frodo;224219 said:
But who would be the trade deciders, captain, player, or both agree?
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Both captains and players involved would have to agree to a trade

Firstly loyalty. Play for two seasons and get a BP, four seasons another one...never lost.
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Considering their will be another auction at the end of this season loyalty points won't need to be discussed until then as players won't have the choice to stay at their club after this season.

2 centuries +1 batting point
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would that mean 4 centuries is + 2 points?

1 double century +2 batting points
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once again would that mean 2 double centuries is + 4 points?

2 5 wicket efforts -1 bowling point
1 10 wicket test or 6 wicket one dayer -2 bowling points
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same questions as the batters.....

5 wk dismissals twice in season +1 batting point
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same question again......

Batting AR 40 runs 2 wickets
Pure AR 30 runs 3 wickets
Bowling AR 20 runs 4 wickets
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same question again......

2 ducks -1 batting point (well you can be a Bruce Reid)
2 0 wicket efforts +1 bowling point
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same question again......


And a general bonus points question, do players receive different amounts of points for one dayers and tests? ie. could a player have a starting average of 50 in tests and 52 in one dayers?
 
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Dirk Kuyt;224379 said:
I don't think you should get rewarded for scoring centuries during the season, I think it's extra bonus points that don't need to be awarded.

There should only be 6 individual bonus points handed out at the end of each season, they are as follows; 1) leading wicket taker in the test competition, 2) leading run scorer in the test competition, 2) leading wicket taker in the one day competition and 4) leading run scorer in the one day competition, 5) overall test POTY and 6) overall one day POTY.

The XI premiership players should also recieve a bonus point to their main attribute. All rounders are free to choose.

The only thing that needs to be dealt with is, if the players don't retain their title as best batsman/bowler or overall poty, do they relinquish their points as someone else gets them, or do they keep them?
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I like that

I reckon they should keep it, they earnt them by dominating so it would only be fair to keep them around.

I reckon a 7th one should be best poster (based on posts, quality of them etc.)
 
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Some good posts guys but it does sound a little complicated. As far as earning points for on-field performances, I think once that a goal is achieved then that player can't earn more points relating to the same rule.

For example, If a player was to score two centuries in a season, they would therefore earn one point. But, if they were to score two more, they shouldn't get another point. I think rather than trying to hand out bonus points for everything we should reserve them as something which should be special or alternatively as a reward for hard work.

I'm happy for a similar system like this to go ahead as long as we aren't going overboard with handing out bonus points. If something like this was to become part of the league then the question remains as who would have the time to run or manage such a system?
 
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I don't mind having one for poster of the year, but overall quality of posts has to be taken into account, with a minimum number of posts per match or something has to be looked at.
 
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Jollo why are we doing a whole redraft next season and we can't stay at this club we have been drafted into?

This is the beginning of the new bigcricket. As new posters come teams fill up more but I for one would show loyalty and prefer to stay at the same club to build the dynasty that is going to occur :)

Frodo that is a huge post and at this late hour I doubt I could make much sense of it so i'll leave it at the moment and have a proper look in the morning

Looking good @|
 
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Guru™;224378 said:
Jollo why are we doing a whole redraft next season and we can't stay at this club we have been drafted into?
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I just assumed that's what will happen however i guess it doesn't have to. Players that want to could enter the auction and other players could just negotiate a contract and stay with their current clubs.
 
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I don't think you should get rewarded for scoring centuries during the season, I think it's extra bonus points that don't need to be awarded.

There should only be 6 individual bonus points handed out at the end of each season, they are as follows; 1) leading wicket taker in the test competition, 2) leading run scorer in the test competition, 2) leading wicket taker in the one day competition and 4) leading run scorer in the one day competition, 5) overall test POTY and 6) overall one day POTY.

The XI premiership players should also recieve a bonus point to their main attribute. All rounders are free to choose.

The only thing that needs to be dealt with is, if the players don't retain their title as best batsman/bowler or overall poty, do they relinquish their points as someone else gets them, or do they keep them?
 
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Dirk Kuyt;224379 said:
I don't think you should get rewarded for scoring centuries during the season, I think it's extra bonus points that don't need to be awarded.

There should only be 6 individual bonus points handed out at the end of each season, they are as follows; 1) leading wicket taker in the test competition, 2) leading run scorer in the test competition, 2) leading wicket taker in the one day competition and 4) leading run scorer in the one day competition, 5) overall test POTY and 6) overall one day POTY.

The XI premiership players should also recieve a bonus point to their main attribute. All rounders are free to choose.

The only thing that needs to be dealt with is, if the players don't retain their title as best batsman/bowler or overall poty, do they relinquish their points as someone else gets them, or do they keep them?
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I like that

I reckon they should keep it, they earnt them by dominating so it would only be fair to keep them around.

I reckon a 7th one should be best poster (based on posts, quality of them etc.)
 
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I don't mind having one for poster of the year, but overall quality of posts has to be taken into account, with a minimum number of posts per match or something has to be looked at.
 
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Jolldo87;224246 said:
Good post Frodo @|
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Both captains and players involved would have to agree to a trade
Considering their will be another auction at the end of this season loyalty points won't need to be discussed until then as players won't have the choice to stay at their club after this

I'd like to see players have the option to stay at a club or nominate for the draft. The draft would contain those who choose to go into it and rookies. If all goes well then new clubs will be added. That would mean a trade period before the draft.

All BP's suggested are one offs, doubling up would give too many points out IMHO.
I tried to balance points and player value. Too many points would make players too expensive. But the idea of a player being worth more due to BP's seems sound. Too few BP's and player values would hardly change and therefore the trading part of the game would not have much point.


And a general bonus points question, do players receive different amounts of points for one dayers and tests? ie. could a player have a starting average of 50 in tests and 52 in one dayers?

That is a good point, and my opinion is yes. I also think that player type should be changeable for one or two players. This is because the one dayers need 5 bowlers but tests 3 or 4 only. That really means 13 man squads. But if a player could be a batsman in tests and allrounder in one dayers, it would bring it back to 12. And in reality batsmen do tend to bowl a few overs in real one day games.

One thing to keep in mind is that this is really future planning. This season has no BP's, but if the game is to evolve into something better than BFFCL then it's good to have the framework matted out early. Sure it will need amending, because until it happens we won't see the pifalls, but a basic BP structure starts the ball rolling.

Needs a bit of scenario work !
 
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Guru™;224378 said:
Jollo why are we doing a whole redraft next season and we can't stay at this club we have been drafted into?
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I just assumed that's what will happen however i guess it doesn't have to. Players that want to could enter the auction and other players could just negotiate a contract and stay with their current clubs.
 
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Frodo;224439 said:
That is a good point, and my opinion is yes. I also think that player type should be changeable for one or two players. This is because the one dayers need 5 bowlers but tests 3 or 4 only. That really means 13 man squads. But if a player could be a batsman in tests and allrounder in one dayers, it would bring it back to 12. And in reality batsmen do tend to bowl a few overs in real one day games.
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I think this idea has some merit. Next season this shouldn't be a problem as we already have 46 people signed up but for this season we could have something like this:

Teams with 11 players can have 2 player differences between tests and one dayers and Teams with 12 players can have 1 play difference.
 
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These are the questions that need to be addressed:

What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? I think it should be 4.

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? I don't think they should.

Bonus points for State of Origin? I doubt there will be state of origin, in any case i don't think bonus points should be awarded for it.

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? 1 point for everyone selected in the XI that has played over half the game IMO.

Player of the year points? I like what BigFooty does here, 2 points for overall POTY, 1 point for One Day POTY and 1 point for Test POTY.

The loss of Bonus Points? BigFooty retires 1 bonus point per season and all bonus points are taken if a player doesn't post 50 times in a season. Good rules IMO.

Loyalty Points? Not sure what the best thing is here. Possibly one point for 2 years, 2 points for 4 years. These points couldn't be retired though.

The answers given to these questions will determine how bonus points will be awarded.
 
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Jolldo87;224246 said:
Good post Frodo @|
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Both captains and players involved would have to agree to a trade
Considering their will be another auction at the end of this season loyalty points won't need to be discussed until then as players won't have the choice to stay at their club after this

I'd like to see players have the option to stay at a club or nominate for the draft. The draft would contain those who choose to go into it and rookies. If all goes well then new clubs will be added. That would mean a trade period before the draft.

All BP's suggested are one offs, doubling up would give too many points out IMHO.
I tried to balance points and player value. Too many points would make players too expensive. But the idea of a player being worth more due to BP's seems sound. Too few BP's and player values would hardly change and therefore the trading part of the game would not have much point.


And a general bonus points question, do players receive different amounts of points for one dayers and tests? ie. could a player have a starting average of 50 in tests and 52 in one dayers?

That is a good point, and my opinion is yes. I also think that player type should be changeable for one or two players. This is because the one dayers need 5 bowlers but tests 3 or 4 only. That really means 13 man squads. But if a player could be a batsman in tests and allrounder in one dayers, it would bring it back to 12. And in reality batsmen do tend to bowl a few overs in real one day games.

One thing to keep in mind is that this is really future planning. This season has no BP's, but if the game is to evolve into something better than BFFCL then it's good to have the framework matted out early. Sure it will need amending, because until it happens we won't see the pifalls, but a basic BP structure starts the ball rolling.

Needs a bit of scenario work !
 
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From my experiences with the sim, it sort of takes into account form anyway.

For example, when a player is struggling for runs, the sim pretty much keeps them struggling for runs for a little while, before starting to gradually make more and more runs again.
 
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Frodo;224439 said:
That is a good point, and my opinion is yes. I also think that player type should be changeable for one or two players. This is because the one dayers need 5 bowlers but tests 3 or 4 only. That really means 13 man squads. But if a player could be a batsman in tests and allrounder in one dayers, it would bring it back to 12. And in reality batsmen do tend to bowl a few overs in real one day games.
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I think this idea has some merit. Next season this shouldn't be a problem as we already have 46 people signed up but for this season we could have something like this:

Teams with 11 players can have 2 player differences between tests and one dayers and Teams with 12 players can have 1 play difference.
 
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The main thing is, we don't have a heap of bonus points flying about while we're still a small competition.

I think for Season 1, we should just work on the basics, like Premiership XI, POTY and Poster of the Year, apart from that, once we've got these all out of the way, for the start of season 2, when there's an auction and salary cap and stuff, the bonus points will be added currency to the players value, will player x decide to stay at his club that just won the premiership, or will he join another club because they've offered him a great deal and have paid a transfer fee which was agreed on by the two clubs?
 
Re: Bonus Points on Averages

These are the questions that need to be addressed:

What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? I think it should be 4.

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? I don't think they should.

Bonus points for State of Origin? I doubt there will be state of origin, in any case i don't think bonus points should be awarded for it.

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? 1 point for everyone selected in the XI that has played over half the game IMO.

Player of the year points? I like what BigFooty does here, 2 points for overall POTY, 1 point for One Day POTY and 1 point for Test POTY.

The loss of Bonus Points? BigFooty retires 1 bonus point per season and all bonus points are taken if a player doesn't post 50 times in a season. Good rules IMO.

Loyalty Points? Not sure what the best thing is here. Possibly one point for 2 years, 2 points for 4 years. These points couldn't be retired though.

The answers given to these questions will determine how bonus points will be awarded.
 
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What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? 4 sounds good

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? No.

Bonus points for State of Origin? No

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? Yes. For the experience.

Player of the year points? Yes.

The loss of Bonus Points? Maybe.

Loyalty Points? Agree with the 1 for 2 seasons and 2 for 4 season.
 
Re: Bonus Points on Averages

Jolldo87;224542 said:
These are the questions that need to be addressed:

What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? I think it should be 4.

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? I don't think they should.

Bonus points for State of Origin? I doubt there will be state of origin, in any case i don't think bonus points should be awarded for it.

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? 1 point for everyone selected in the XI that has played over half the game IMO.

Player of the year points? I like what BigFooty does here, 2 points for overall POTY, 1 point for One Day POTY and 1 point for Test POTY.

The loss of Bonus Points? BigFooty retires 1 bonus point per season and all bonus points are taken if a player doesn't post 50 times in a season. Good rules IMO.

Loyalty Points? Not sure what the best thing is here. Possibly one point for 2 years, 2 points for 4 years. These points couldn't be retired though.

The answers given to these questions will determine how bonus points will be awarded.
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If max points are 4 then max trade value is +$80K. Could go to $30K a point in that case.

What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? I think it should be 8.

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? Maybe. If the international side is selected mainly on posting quantity and quality then it's a good reward.

Bonus points for State of Origin? I doubt there will be state of origin, in any case i don't think bonus points should be awarded for it. Agreed

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? 1 point for everyone selected in the XI that has played over half the game IMO. Yep

Player of the year points? I like what BigFooty does here, 2 points for overall POTY, 1 point for One Day POTY and 1 point for Test POTY. 3 points for one player i think is too much. 1 for each individual champion, an extra one for the overall POTY

The loss of Bonus Points? BigFooty retires 1 bonus point per season and all bonus points are taken if a player doesn't post 50 times in a season. Good rules IMO. Agreed

Loyalty Points? Not sure what the best thing is here. Possibly one point for 2 years, 2 points for 4 years. These points couldn't be retired though. Agreed
 
Re: Bonus Points on Averages

From my experiences with the sim, it sort of takes into account form anyway.

For example, when a player is struggling for runs, the sim pretty much keeps them struggling for runs for a little while, before starting to gradually make more and more runs again.
 
Re: Bonus Points on Averages

What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? I think it should be 4.

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? No.

Bonus points for State of Origin? No.

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? Yes.

Player of the year points? Yes.

The loss of Bonus Points? Possibly.

Loyalty Points? Yes. 2 for 2 seasons 3 for 4 seasons.
 
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The main thing is, we don't have a heap of bonus points flying about while we're still a small competition.

I think for Season 1, we should just work on the basics, like Premiership XI, POTY and Poster of the Year, apart from that, once we've got these all out of the way, for the start of season 2, when there's an auction and salary cap and stuff, the bonus points will be added currency to the players value, will player x decide to stay at his club that just won the premiership, or will he join another club because they've offered him a great deal and have paid a transfer fee which was agreed on by the two clubs?
 
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What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? 6.

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? I share the same sentiments as Frodo.

Bonus points for State of Origin? No.

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? Yes.

Player of the year points? Yes.

The loss of Bonus Points? Yes.

Loyalty Points? Yes, 2 for 2 seasons, 3 for 4 seasons.
 
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What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? 4 sounds good

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? No.

Bonus points for State of Origin? No

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? Yes. For the experience.

Player of the year points? Yes.

The loss of Bonus Points? Maybe.

Loyalty Points? Agree with the 1 for 2 seasons and 2 for 4 season.
 
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Remember that if we have loyalty points and the max is 4, then after 4 years the player doesn't get anything.

So maybe it should be loyalty points plus a maximum of x bonus points.
 
Re: Bonus Points on Averages

Jolldo87;224542 said:
These are the questions that need to be addressed:

What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? I think it should be 4.

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? I don't think they should.

Bonus points for State of Origin? I doubt there will be state of origin, in any case i don't think bonus points should be awarded for it.

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? 1 point for everyone selected in the XI that has played over half the game IMO.

Player of the year points? I like what BigFooty does here, 2 points for overall POTY, 1 point for One Day POTY and 1 point for Test POTY.

The loss of Bonus Points? BigFooty retires 1 bonus point per season and all bonus points are taken if a player doesn't post 50 times in a season. Good rules IMO.

Loyalty Points? Not sure what the best thing is here. Possibly one point for 2 years, 2 points for 4 years. These points couldn't be retired though.

The answers given to these questions will determine how bonus points will be awarded.
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If max points are 4 then max trade value is +$80K. Could go to $30K a point in that case.

What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? I think it should be 8.

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? Maybe. If the international side is selected mainly on posting quantity and quality then it's a good reward.

Bonus points for State of Origin? I doubt there will be state of origin, in any case i don't think bonus points should be awarded for it. Agreed

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? 1 point for everyone selected in the XI that has played over half the game IMO. Yep

Player of the year points? I like what BigFooty does here, 2 points for overall POTY, 1 point for One Day POTY and 1 point for Test POTY. 3 points for one player i think is too much. 1 for each individual champion, an extra one for the overall POTY

The loss of Bonus Points? BigFooty retires 1 bonus point per season and all bonus points are taken if a player doesn't post 50 times in a season. Good rules IMO. Agreed

Loyalty Points? Not sure what the best thing is here. Possibly one point for 2 years, 2 points for 4 years. These points couldn't be retired though. Agreed
 
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What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? I think it should be 4.

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? No.

Bonus points for State of Origin? No.

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? Yes.

Player of the year points? Yes.

The loss of Bonus Points? Possibly.

Loyalty Points? Yes. 2 for 2 seasons 3 for 4 seasons.
 
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What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? 6.

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? I share the same sentiments as Frodo.

Bonus points for State of Origin? No.

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? Yes.

Player of the year points? Yes.

The loss of Bonus Points? Yes.

Loyalty Points? Yes, 2 for 2 seasons, 3 for 4 seasons.
 
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It increases the starting averages of batters by +1 and decreases bowling averages by -1 per bonus point, depending upon your player type.

In theory it gives a slight advantage to the player, but the sim utilises several random algorithms that can have much more significant effects. On BFFCL players with 5 BP's have been seen to have dismal performances. It is even thought that your player name has some effect. On player did worse when the administrator entered his name with a capital letter beginning, so being 'lucky bill' may be better or worse than 'Lucky Bill'.

But I think it's an incentive, and I'd like heaps :D
 
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Remember that if we have loyalty points and the max is 4, then after 4 years the player doesn't get anything.

So maybe it should be loyalty points plus a maximum of x bonus points.
 
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Well, I've spent time on this subject. Came up with amazing stats like on BFFCL there have been 107 centuries in 140 games, 60 5 wicket innings in 140 games etc,. But I come up against huge discrepancies.
So my thoughts now are this :-

What is the maximum amount of bonus points a player can have? 5

Should bonus points be handed out for selection in the BigCricket International team? No, because it's an uneven playing field. Eg Two great wk's, only one can be selected.

Bonus points for State of Origin? No

Bonus points for playing in a Premiership? 1 per player in each form, 50% of games to be played.

Player of the year points? No. How can it be calculated?

The loss of Bonus Points? 1 per season if you have them (not loyalty). Balances the premiership points

Loyalty Points? Agree with the 1 for 2 seasons and 2 for 4 season.


Anything else is an uneven field. A captain selecting bowling pitches favours bowlers, and so on. The BFFCL best player stats don't reflect the pitch selections , so are unreasonable.


So, I reckon one point each for the champs of each competition and loyalty points as they come in, in later seasons.
 
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