CMCA- Ommies to remain in top grade

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Healthy debate and tend to agree mostly with Bunter here. It was a ballsy decision to cancel the round when it only reached 28, but the decision was made with good intentions and given the unpredictability of Melbourne's weather, it's very hard to leave these decisions to last minute.
Also agree in part with Merlot. The execs tend to look after their own. I can recall a game about 8-9 years ago that we played against Aspendale in Rd.11 - the year Elwood won the Woolnough flag. A win would've given us 2nd spot and a loss potentially meant we could miss out. We weren't allocated an umpire and at 9 down with a handful of runs to get, an Aspendale batsman was stranded mid-pitch and threw his bat out as the throw came in knocking the ball away from a certain run out - far more than just running in the line of the throw. They proceeded to pinch the single and later score the required runs to win. At the point of the incident I was ready to walk our players off, but insisted we play on and try for the win. I then rang the CMCA execs that night and no action was taken. I have no doubt in my mind that a Mackie, Uniting, ESBC, etc would never have suffered the same fate. Any of the aforementioned clubs would've A) had an umpire allocated given the importance of the game, and/or; B) been given the courtesy of an investigation into the incident. Fortunately for us results went our way, and we hung onto 4th, but it further proved in my mind that the execs look after their own. Any time we've felt hard done by since, we've not bothered to pursue any course of action for fear that the same will occur.
So, whilst I don't agree with the approach being taken with part of the debate, I do agree that the same consideration/opportunities aren't afforded to all clubs where the CMCA execs are concerned.
 
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Jimmy Olson;324374 said:
Between a rock and a hard place aren't they Arch. I would have thought they had shown some gonads by calling off the partially played games. The rule states that if majority of games are not played in the grade then the days play is cancelled out.
I don't think many games played out the allotted overs for the day. True that the 'called off juniors day' of a couple of weeks ago could be criticised but whilst it was expected to be hotter than it was on the day their rationale was that there had been 3 stinkers on the trot, kids returning to school that week and they can't always rely on clubs necessarily doing the right thing. Again, made a tough decision not everyone liked but made it for the correct reasons.
Like you say, all about getting the kids playing sport, maybe not always about winning in junior cricket and if you're good enough you'll be in the 4 at the end. The kids who got on the ground last Saturday still played cricket, they're just starting again this week and there should be completed results in every game!! May be a good chance to give a bat or bowl to the kids who did not get a chance to do so last week or is this week a "must win"?
If most games were close to a first day conclusion (ie.10 overs or so to complete) I reckon that they might have said fine, start earlier or finish later on day two, but a number of games were not at that stage and some didn't start at all I believe. Imagine if there were some games reaching a conclusion and some not and there were a couple of dodgy outrights (always possible if you leave it to the clubs in Round 11). I reckon if they were flexible and that happened you'd hear some bleating.

Just another opinion.

James,

Nice to see your going down the political correct path, but your out of touch on a couple of things.
If you ask various people connected with clubs about last weeks uncompleted games, most people were expecting the games to continue this week as normal, play out the overs that were left, then play 40. That was the consensus last Sunday at the BUCC 10/10.
Cannot speak for the higher grades though.
The CMCA sub committee were out voted on their recommendations.
It went to a vote.
It means that all stats were just wiped, ridiculous.
Quote ''Expected to be hotter '' Its not the role of the Exec to be weathermen, just leave it, let everyone arrive on the day and make the decisions.
What has kids going back to school got anything to do with the decision?
Ask any kid playing Junior cricket whether they like to win or prefer to lose, the answer hasn't changed since you were playing juniors, we just have to manage it better now, which we do.
Regarding outrights, well it just doesn't happen in Juniors, the rules have changed.
By being flexible, the two managers can get together, arrange what's best for the game in progress and then get on with it.
If you take a look at some Junior games, you will see that most kids are given a bat and bowl these days, so your point is?

Anyway James, '' luv your work ''
 
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brett;324390 said:
I honestly can't believe you guys are knocking the men in charge at the CMCA, for years these people offer there servicea to help free of charge which takes up alot of man hours.
Preperation, Problem solving etc there list goes on, They don't get to relax on Saturday's they always have issues and situations to deal with.
But some of you bumpkins cast your views as if you could do a better job, yet sit on your hands whilst these men cop it from all corners.
Instead of causing trouble for them make a difference and apply to sit on the committee so you can help as i am sure they can always do with as much help possible.
Without these people do you honestly think things woud be better.

NO.

So shut up and show them some respect, pretty sure i have never heard anyone on the board say a bad word about a club or player so why do it to them.

Oh Brett,

You are the worlds saviour, geez your new comp must be relishing your presence and worldly knowledge.
How can the CMCA survive without you?
How can BUCC survive without you?
Brett, just concentrate on things that concern you, go save Mararapture Mongols.
Oh, by the way, i did not have a personal attack on anyone, just quering their decision making on acouple of relevant issues.
 
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Archie Roach;324717 said:
James,

Nice to see your going down the political correct path, but your out of touch on a couple of things.
If you ask various people connected with clubs about last weeks uncompleted games, most people were expecting the games to continue this week as normal, play out the overs that were left, then play 40. That was the consensus last Sunday at the BUCC 10/10.
Cannot speak for the higher grades though.
The CMCA sub committee were out voted on their recommendations.
It went to a vote.
It means that all stats were just wiped, ridiculous.
Quote ''Expected to be hotter '' Its not the role of the Exec to be weathermen, just leave it, let everyone arrive on the day and make the decisions.
What has kids going back to school got anything to do with the decision?
Ask any kid playing Junior cricket whether they like to win or prefer to lose, the answer hasn't changed since you were playing juniors, we just have to manage it better now, which we do.
Regarding outrights, well it just doesn't happen in Juniors, the rules have changed.
By being flexible, the two managers can get together, arrange what's best for the game in progress and then get on with it.
If you take a look at some Junior games, you will see that most kids are given a bat and bowl these days, so your point is?

Anyway James, '' luv your work ''

Give it a rest Arch. The decision has been made and your opinion has been made quite clear. No need to harp on. With respect to your question in bold, kids quite often don't know what's best for them and with the extreme weather conditions the CMCA made a decision with the best interest of the kids at heart. Education is far more important than a game of cricket. Whilst it turns out the decision may have been the incorrect one, it's better to be safe than sorry.
 
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Uncle Mick;324722 said:
Give it a rest Arch. The decision has been made and your opinion has been made quite clear. No need to harp on. With respect to your question in bold, kids quite often don't know what's best for them and with the extreme weather conditions the CMCA made a decision with the best interest of the kids at heart. Education is far more important than a game of cricket. Whilst it turns out the decision may have been the incorrect one, it's better to be safe than sorry.

Thanks for the advice Mick,
I'm not harping, just replying to James's opinion and trying to set him straight on few things.
No more from me, as the CMCA will need to respond to the numerous questions being asked of them.
Good luck in your pursuit for a finals berth, bad luck about not facing the wrath of the Champ last week.:D
 
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Uncle Mick;324722 said:
Give it a rest Arch. The decision has been made and your opinion has been made quite clear. No need to harp on. With respect to your question in bold, kids quite often don't know what's best for them and with the extreme weather conditions the CMCA made a decision with the best interest of the kids at heart. Education is far more important than a game of cricket. Whilst it turns out the decision may have been the incorrect one, it's better to be safe than sorry.

Sorry Mick,
Kids welfare is something i do know about, and i'm sure that there are many good mangers and coaches out there who are more than capable of managing the decisions at the time.

Cheers
 
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It looks as though you're polarising the issue to it being about you, bud. No one's questioning your ability to make these decisions. They went with a decision they felt was in the best interest of all parties.

As for the Champ.... I'm very grateful. That breeze was too stiff for me. Fair chance I wouldn't have got the ball up the other end.
 
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Will all sides be wearing black armbands for the bushfire victims?
Haven't heard anything so far and I would of thought it was a given.
 
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Archie Roach;324717 said:
James,

Nice to see your going down the political correct path, but your out of touch on a couple of things.
If you ask various people connected with clubs about last weeks uncompleted games, most people were expecting the games to continue this week as normal, play out the overs that were left, then play 40. That was the consensus last Sunday at the BUCC 10/10.
Cannot speak for the higher grades though.
The CMCA sub committee were out voted on their recommendations.
It went to a vote.
It means that all stats were just wiped, ridiculous.
Quote ''Expected to be hotter '' Its not the role of the Exec to be weathermen, just leave it, let everyone arrive on the day and make the decisions.
What has kids going back to school got anything to do with the decision?
Ask any kid playing Junior cricket whether they like to win or prefer to lose, the answer hasn't changed since you were playing juniors, we just have to manage it better now, which we do.
Regarding outrights, well it just doesn't happen in Juniors, the rules have changed.
By being flexible, the two managers can get together, arrange what's best for the game in progress and then get on with it.
If you take a look at some Junior games, you will see that most kids are given a bat and bowl these days, so your point is?

Anyway James, '' luv your work ''


We can't all be "red raggers" Archie. PC not totally my go, just try to see both sides and yes, you do get out of touch as you get older, sadly. If the sub-commitee's recommendations went to a vote it's fantastic to see democracy wins again.
Agree that we have always played to win and it should never change, just that in "younger" junior games maybe it should not be the no.1 priority.
"My point" about the participation of all was just a sneaky shot to determine whether you were one of the "win at all costs" parents but your balanced opinion re-assures me that this is not the case.
Fond of some of your work also.

No need to get so angry though some of you blokes.
 
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Bottsy;324737 said:
Will all sides be wearing black armbands for the bushfire victims?
Haven't heard anything so far and I would of thought it was a given.

Yes and one minute silence to be observed.
 
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CLOCKER;324754 said:
Yes and one minute silence to be observed.

Clocker,

Where did you get the information from, i have checked the CMCA web site and there is no mention of this inititive.
Also checked the best & most updated web site in the comp, ANA do not have any updates either.

Is it for the Juniors as well?

Appreciate the info.:)
 
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Archie Roach;324757 said:
Clocker,

Where did you get the information from, i have checked the CMCA web site and there is no mention of this inititive.
Also checked the best & most updated web site in the comp, ANA do not have any updates either.

Is it for the Juniors as well?

Appreciate the info.:)

100% certain for seniors and logic would suggest that the same apply for the juniors.Whether the Exec agrees or not i would just do it anyway out of respect.Don't think you will get to many arguments.
 
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Bentleigh ANA-V-Washington Park
Big boys for Washington are back. They will win and win well.

Brighton Union-V-Mackie
12 months later same scenario. Mackie could pinch second spot if they win and out of the finals if they lose.No bouncy pitch or small ground this year to help the aging Machine bowlers. Union to knock Mackie out and make a huge score 300+ runs.

Le Page Park-V-Bentleigh Uniting
Uniting have to win but Le Page travelling nicely.Always hard to beat at home.It will be tight and Uniting’s experience to get them through.

Elwood-V-East Sand. BC
East Sandy to teach the kids what business end of the season is all about.Spanking on the cards.

Omega-V-Hampton Central
Centrals have to get a win..don’t they? Centrals to be beat a disappointing Omega.

carnegie South-V-West Bentleigh
West Bentleigh to win and win well.

Highett West-v-Cluden: Have to pick the home team but should be a ripper.
Aspendale Edithvale RSL-V-Omega : Wasted year for both teams. Omega in a close one.
Kingston Heath-v-Moorabbin West: Moorabbin West to beat up on the kids and set them up for next week.Slap them around a bit and show them what it is all about.
East Sandringham-v-Brighton District:East Sandy in a canter.
Hampton United-v-Brighton Union:Tipping the upset. Hampton United to shock the comp.
Southside East C'field-v-Bentleigh ANA:Southside coming off 86 ANA only have to show up and claim the points.
 
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From the CMCA Executive:

The CMCA Executive requests that all senior and junior teams observe one minutes silence as a mark of respect to the victims of last weekend's bushfires before the start of this weekend's, including Friday night's games.
 
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Adam,

Are you the voice of the CMCA executive now?

Can't Barrack or Condalisa release anything on the website or do we have to rely on this forum and your own ANA website for information.We await the White House press conference.

Maybe they need to go and find a new web master after the previous one threw the towell in.

It is always a good laugh to hear the executive voted on matters where the vote would be decided on who put it up,what club they were from,and how it would effect the executive members club.

Many of the contributors to this forum have either been on the executive or have an intimate knowledge of it's workings to know that it is difficult to get things through.Also many have been either lost or not recruited in frustration with the lack of initiative shown at times.

Good luck for tomorrow and I hope you get out on to the park tomorrow in cooler condtions than last week.
 
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I see some interesting scores in Longy on the weekend.
With Mackie just needing to win to finish fourth there will no doubt be a keen eye thrown over the LePage V Uniting game and the West Bentleigh game.
If Mackie lose then which side can achieve the unlikely of a out right win to sneak in.
Both sides have all ready claimed 1st innings points, Can M.Reid & S.Surridge grab another bag of 5 in the 2nd innings to perhaps sling shot there side into 4th.

Who can do it or will the Machine chase Unions 226
 
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Have you all left town very little action since Friday,I feel like the 40 year old virgin as I am trying to get rid of the Rookie status but little or no discussion to get into.

Archie I hope the result fell the right way after the ridiculous re schedule.

Jimmy I suppose you have been too busy getting the next edition of the daily planet ready for consumption.

Brett you got me all excited when the Big cricket email said you had replied to my post but sadly no mention of you joining the Conga line and still no word from Barrack or Condalisa from the White House.

Some interesting situations in the games and I was lucky to pick up a couple of wickets and will chase a couple of hundred next week.

I look forward to some lively discussion to build the post to shed the rookie category to the next level.

yours in cricket
 
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Would all you sooks stop whinging about all this meaningless crap?!
Who cares about executives, points and games getting called off?!
Let's get on to the real stuff..... afternoon tea!

I'm over these tea breaks filled with dud sandwiches. What sane person would put 8 plates of ham and tomato out?
We want variety or at least some ham and cheese. Plain but perfect!!

Anyone else have anything to add about teams with an exceptional/ordinary spread. Speak out!!!
 
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Ham & Cheese now we are getting down to the nitty gritty but you haven't dobbed in the culprits.

I had a magnificent afternoon tea ,salad roll ,cakes,fruit,cordial and a nice cup of tea.

What's happened to the magnificent spreads that were put on by ANA and Hampton Central as they fought out the umpires award for the best afternoon tea.

At some clubs the standards drop off as you go down the grades but those two never dropped their standard.

Mackie did make a run at the trophy and actually won it.

Hope you don't have two many ham & tomatoes as you attempt get out of your rookie status.
 
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Here's my summary:

-The wash ups put on a super spread this year.
-Mackie's is good if you like donuts and sausage rolls but you better be quick...
-Centrals have always had some good hot dogs to go with their spreads.
-Uniting's was definitely up there.
-East Sandy's, ANA's and Le Page's are usually around a C+.
-Elwood's is tripe. Don't see how no clubrooms results in sh!t food.....?
-Le Page's spread is as good as there cricket ability.
-Brighton Union are g@y.
-West Bentleigh are homo's.
-And Omega are nerds.
 
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