Darwin & District Cricket - 2013

[OhMyGodTheChips]

every strong competion in Victoria has point system keeps the comp pretty level top to bottom and resticts teams of buying a Flag! nothing wrong with 6 imports just have problems will 10-11 in one side! Pint chasing a few players

Victoria has a population of how many and how many cricket leagues and divisions? You can't advocate turning away players from the competition when the pool is so small and why would D&DCA want to turn players away from playing in Darwin for them to go elsewhere?

 

[Phillup]

I've been led to believe that now a certain high-up bloke of NT Cricket has left, Alice Springs players will finally get a look in. Ive seen some of their cricket this season and there are about 3-4 blokes from Alice that easily should have been in that Country Championship side. Tom Clements, Alex Marsh and Dan Gardiner definitely should have been. Ben Ellis, Ross Fraser and Daniel Clarke, maybes. Got it on good authority that the first 3 mentioned will be part of the NT side competing in the SACA comp in 2013/2014. Good to see a that NT will be fielding its best side possible, not just selecting people because they live and play in Darwin.

 

[Just Another Lad]

I genuinely hope that you are taking the piss with the last 3 names there. The calibre of player they will be competing against will be higher than that of the current grade team, and those blokes wouldn't even contribute in B grade teams. Clements, maybe, but the other two will be simply squad members and that is all. The will be a larger number of guys from outside of the Territory, by that I mean that the qualifications to play will be very loose to begin with, you can expect to see some guys in the squad who aren't from Darwin and haven't been around too long. The idea is to be competitive, not to go for the Territorian-Equality which everyone south of Adelaide River constantly begs for. This is a pathway for players who are seen to have a possible future in cricket, NTC will be investing a big sum of money in this on players and their development in order to be competitive and win games. DO NOT expect to see the token Alice Springs players, there are only two who should be included in the squad straight away, Riechstien and Clements.

 

[Phillup]

Marsh is better than Clements. If your going off Calder Shield that's very unfair. The bloke was on one leg and shouldn't have been playing. He's a former Dowling Shield rep, District player and would have been a Vic u/19 if it wasn't for injury. Gardiner has played NT U/17, NT U/19, and is a much better player now than he was then. Daniel Clarke will be given his chance in Calder Shield in a few months, is a good young quick who hopefully puts himself in to the picture.

 

[Phillup]

Will the squad members that are not getting a game play in the Alice comp? Would be good for their local comp if this was the case. Or will they play 2nds in Adelaide?

 

[Phillup]

Reichstein is from Tennant Creek by the way.

 

[fatalbert]

Marsh is better than Clements. If your going off Calder Shield that's very unfair. The bloke was on one leg and shouldn't have been playing. He's a former Dowling Shield rep, District player and would have been a Vic u/19 if it wasn't for injury. Gardiner has played NT U/17, NT U/19, and is a much better player now than he was then. Daniel Clarke will be given his chance in Calder Shield in a few months, is a good young quick who hopefully puts himself in to the picture.

I hope you are joking Phillup. I play in the Alice Springs A grade competition and have played with or against all of the players mentioned. You can not be serious in saying Marsh is better than Clements, Marsh is not even close. Clements can bat, bowl and FIELD. Alice Springs A grade is not up to the standard of Darwin A grade let alone grade cricket down south. Yes, some of the younger players mentioned have promise but to say 3-4 players should have definitely been in the NT Strike side is just not right.

 

[OhMyGodTheChips]

I've been led to believe that now a certain high-up bloke of NT Cricket has left, Alice Springs players will finally get a look in.

Yeah good call. Alice Springs hard done by NT Cricket CEO who has nothing to do with team selections or development of sides. That is a moronic comment at best. At least on here, your posts can be immediately shut down instead of your 20 personas on the NT News website.

Ive seen some of their cricket this season and there are about 3-4 blokes from Alice that easily should have been in that Country Championship side. Tom Clements, Alex Marsh and Dan Gardiner definitely should have been. Ben Ellis, Ross Fraser and Daniel Clarke, maybes.

No, there was not 3 or 4 blokes from Alice that should have been in the Country Champs. Tom Clements was unavailable and injured (he would have been picked if available), Alex Marsh and Dan Gardiner are at best B grade quality, with or without both legs. Ben Ellis can't even make the U19's NT side but somehow he is a maybe for the Strike side, Dan Clarke is what 16? Ross Fraser has made one score in Alice Springs seconds in the last 2 seasons.

I don't want to be detrimental to these players that you have mentioned, they're having a crack but they virtually had little to no impact in the Calder Shield against the two B's sides.

Got it on good authority that the first 3 mentioned will be part of the NT side competing in the SACA comp in 2013/2014. Good to see a that NT will be fielding its best side possible, not just selecting people because they live and play in Darwin.

Is good authority the same one that thinks that Andrew Ramsay picks the NT side? Because you literally have no idea.

 

[Phillup]

I hope you are joking Phillup. I play in the Alice Springs A grade competition and have played with or against all of the players mentioned. You can not be serious in saying Marsh is better than Clements, Marsh is not even close. Clements can bat, bowl and FIELD. Alice Springs A grade is not up to the standard of Darwin A grade let alone grade cricket down south. Yes, some of the younger players mentioned have promise but to say 3-4 players should have definitely been in the NT Strike side is just not right.

A long way off there, in my opinion. Look Clements is a completely different cricketer to Marsh, but I think Marsh is more effective. One's a batting all rounder and ones a bowling all rounder, so its apples and oranges really. And they can both field. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and that's mine.

 

[Phillup]

Take the imports out and the Darwin comp isn't that strong, yes it would still be better than the comp down in Alice, but not comprehensively. To say that quality Alice players would be B grade in Darwin is pretty ignorant and total rubbish. I think there are players in Alice Springs that should at least be given the chance.

 

[OhMyGodTheChips]

Take the imports out and the Darwin comp isn't that strong, yes it would still be better than the comp down in Alice, but not comprehensively. To say that quality Alice players would be B grade in Darwin is pretty ignorant and total rubbish. I think there are players in Alice Springs that should at least be given the chance.

It's not ignorant to think that Darwin with a population five times that of Alice is going to have a higher first grade standard. It's fact.

 

[Just Another Lad]

Take the imports out and the Darwin comp isn't that strong, yes it would still be better than the comp down in Alice, but not comprehensively. To say that quality Alice players would be B grade in Darwin is pretty ignorant and total rubbish. I think there are players in Alice Springs that should at least be given the chance.

Surely you aren't thick enough to actually think that? The darwin comp is very strong at the moment, it has increased it's standards greatly in the last few years and this is a lot due to the younger players starting to develop, the players who have come through the NTIS under Shane McDermott. Joel Logan will head to the Centre of Excellence in Brisbane as part of the Under 18 Cricket Australia Talent camp due to his past performances at national championships. He has also been offered a 12 month scholarship to the CoE. This, as far as I am aware, is the first time such an honour has been handed to a Territorian. Darwin Cricket is no longer dominated by the same faces year in year out like it used to be. Yes there are consistent performers, but now there are a lot more younger players involved and I would say the average age of most teams in the comp has reduced by at least 2 or 3 years over the last decade. This does nothing but strengthen cricket up there. Alice Springs could play in the Darwin competition as the 8th team, have all of their players from other clubs play for them, and still not even trouble the top 4.

 

[Territory Chunda]

It's not ignorant to think that Darwin with a population five times that of Alice is going to have a higher first grade standard. It's fact.

Population may be 5 times higher but you are spreading that across more clubs and grades. It was good to see all these "Darwin/Import" guns dominate at the recent champs in Bundy not!

'Best batting line up ever' struggled to post over 200.

 

[Territory Chunda]

Surely you aren't thick enough to actually think that? The darwin comp is very strong at the moment, it has increased it's standards greatly in the last few years and this is a lot due to the younger players starting to develop, the players who have come through the NTIS under Shane McDermott. Joel Logan will head to the Centre of Excellence in Brisbane as part of the Under 18 Cricket Australia Talent camp due to his past performances at national championships. He has also been offered a 12 month scholarship to the CoE. This, as far as I am aware, is the first time such an honour has been handed to a Territorian. Darwin Cricket is no longer dominated by the same faces year in year out like it used to be. Yes there are consistent performers, but now there are a lot more younger players involved and I would say the average age of most teams in the comp has reduced by at least 2 or 3 years over the last decade. This does nothing but strengthen cricket up there. Alice Springs could play in the Darwin competition as the 8th team, have all of their players from other clubs play for them, and still not even trouble the top 4.

Also an Alice Springs side would go very well up here. Throw in a few imports to mix with Crowe, Reichstein, Clements, Clarke and the side would certainlty win games. Least they would have local and junior players from alice playing not filling a side full of imports.

 

[Phillup]

Surely you aren't thick enough to actually think that? The darwin comp is very strong at the moment, it has increased it's standards greatly in the last few years and this is a lot due to the younger players starting to develop, the players who have come through the NTIS under Shane McDermott. Joel Logan will head to the Centre of Excellence in Brisbane as part of the Under 18 Cricket Australia Talent camp due to his past performances at national championships. He has also been offered a 12 month scholarship to the CoE. This, as far as I am aware, is the first time such an honour has been handed to a Territorian. Darwin Cricket is no longer dominated by the same faces year in year out like it used to be. Yes there are consistent performers, but now there are a lot more younger players involved and I would say the average age of most teams in the comp has reduced by at least 2 or 3 years over the last decade. This does nothing but strengthen cricket up there. Alice Springs could play in the Darwin competition as the 8th team, have all of their players from other clubs play for them, and still not even trouble the top 4.

Have you actually read what I've stated? I would imagine the "thick" comments would be your All Darwin bias ones, not somebody trying to look outside the square. Anyone that thinks that the best 5 or 6 cricketers in Alice would only play b grade in Darwin are very ill informed about cricket outside Darwin. Not once did I say that the Alice comp is better than the Darwin one.

 

[Phillup]

Also an Alice Springs side would go very well up here. Throw in a few imports to mix with Crowe, Reichstein, Clements, Clarke and the side would certainlty win games. Least they would have local and junior players from alice playing not filling a side full of imports.

Spot on. Hypothetically, If they got Scollay, Crowe, Cornford and Reichstein back as "imports" (not really imports, just locals coming back to play) they would have a side looking like this: 1. J.Crowe, 2. D.Gardiner, 3. T.Scollay, 4. T.Clements, 5. B. Cornford, 6. B.Reichstein, 7. J.Dick, 8. A.Marsh, 9. N.Gaynor, 10. A.Pilbrow, 11. D.Clarke. Pretty good side! Would have Ellis, Fraser, Hiscox and Quan as your reserves.

 

[Are_You_A_Mong]

Spot on. Hypothetically, If they got Scollay, Crowe, Cornford and Reichstein back as "imports" (not really imports, just locals coming back to play) they would have a side looking like this: 1. J.Crowe, 2. D.Gardiner, 3. T.Scollay, 4. T.Clements, 5. B. Cornford, 6. B.Reichstein, 7. J.Dick, 8. A.Marsh, 9. N.Gaynor, 10. A.Pilbrow, 11. D.Clarke. Pretty good side! Would have Ellis, Fraser, Hiscox and Quan as your reserves.

shocking side! but so was the strike team! have the 2 teams play could be worst game of cricket ever!

 

[OhMyGodTheChips]

Population may be 5 times higher but you are spreading that across more clubs and grades. It was good to see all these "Darwin/Import" guns dominate at the recent champs in Bundy not!

'Best batting line up ever' struggled to post over 200.

Also an Alice Springs side would go very well up here. Throw in a few imports to mix with Crowe, Reichstein, Clements, Clarke and the side would certainlty win games. Least they would have local and junior players from alice playing not filling a side full of imports.

Spot on. Hypothetically, If they got Scollay, Crowe, Cornford and Reichstein back as "imports" (not really imports, just locals coming back to play) they would have a side looking like this: 1. J.Crowe, 2. D.Gardiner, 3. T.Scollay, 4. T.Clements, 5. B. Cornford, 6. B.Reichstein, 7. J.Dick, 8. A.Marsh, 9. N.Gaynor, 10. A.Pilbrow, 11. D.Clarke. Pretty good side! Would have Ellis, Fraser, Hiscox and Quan as your reserves.

Ha. You guys are a laugh, I think the reality is you need to go start an Alice thread, because this is about Darwin & District Cricket, I'm more than happy to challenge your bullshit agendas there. Obviously if any blokes are interested in coming up to Darwin and trying out for a club, feel free to post. Otherwise you should quit with the Alice "Chip on Your Shoulder" Springs circle jerk as the only thing you're doing is bringing down Alice Springs cricket.

 

[Guido]

.... Joel Logan will head to the Centre of Excellence in Brisbane as part of the Under 18 Cricket Australia Talent camp due to his past performances at national championships. He has also been offered a 12 month scholarship to the CoE. This, as far as I am aware, is the first time such an honour has been handed to a Territorian....

Actually Darryl Conroy (Waratahs) held a full scholarship with the AIS in 1991 at the same time as Shane Warne.
Not sure if it has been done post this however.

 

[OhMyGodTheChips]

Still got an Inside Edge magazine from then with DC playing against I think it was NZ. There was also a story in it about some bloke called Mark Hatton almost winning the Gillete Cup for Casuarina Secondary College.