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Yeah, it's looking good. If you can get a bit more rotation in your action (finishing with that right shoulder pointing at the batter rather being chest on), you will get more action on the ball.
 
Cleanprophet said:
Yeah, it's looking good. If you can get a bit more rotation in your action (finishing with that right shoulder pointing at the batter rather being chest on), you will get more action on the ball.
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I think its a lack of energy from landing on my toes, and with my arm high up when I bowl, it doesnt finish past my left hip like it should, It finishes past my right hip, I think this is stopping me from rotating.
 
From what I can see the mechanics are pretty sound, I think this is pretty impressive in fact. I can see nothing really amiss.

I am interested to know how much spin you are getting on the ball and if you can bring the seam wider than 30 degrees or so for the leg break
 
TomBowler97 said:
I think its a lack of energy from landing on my toes, and with my arm high up when I bowl, it doesnt finish past my left hip like it should, It finishes past my right hip, I think this is stopping me from rotating.
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But also, you're still a young and growing. You will naturally get more strength and power in your action over the next few years. Essentially, the end of the rotation is determined by the start of the rotation. The more energy and power you have going into your delivery stride, then the more you will rotate. Finishing with that shoulder pointing at the batsman is simply a way of knowing that you have good energy in your action. It's not something to worry about too much. Adam Zampa finishes his action in exactly the same position as you and Stuart MacGill did also in his early years as a professional.
 
TomBowler97 said:
This is another video, only a quick slow motion video of my action, let me know what you think. I already think I need to be more chest on when I bowl but second opinions are wanted. C Cleanprophet B boogiespinner

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That action has a bit more energy in it, hence that right shoulder coming through a lot more and the right leg coming down the wicket a bit more too.

The only thing I think you could possibly look at it, is getting that front foot across towards the line of the stumps a bit more. At the moment, the front foot is almost on the same line as the back foot. If you get that front foot a bit more across it will get you a bit more side on at the very start and then that should help you rotate with a bit more force.

That's something for you to consider. I used to do the same thing and it took a bit of work to change it because my whole action developed on the basis of that front foot position. Maybe look to get that front foot just a small amount more towards the line of the stumps. Traditionally, the suggestion was that the heel of the front foot would be on the same line as the toe of the back foot. But some bowler will get their front foot further across than that.

Here's how my old front foot position used to be:



And this is how it is now (this is from a walk in drill):

 
boogiespinner said:
From what I can see the mechanics are pretty sound, I think this is pretty impressive in fact. I can see nothing really amiss.

I am interested to know how much spin you are getting on the ball and if you can bring the seam wider than 30 degrees or so for the leg break
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I am getting it on an actual wicket to turn from middle/middle and off to miss off by I would say a couple of inches.
 
Cleanprophet said:
That action has a bit more energy in it, hence that right shoulder coming through a lot more and the right leg coming down the wicket a bit more too.

The only thing I think you could possibly look at it, is getting that front foot across towards the line of the stumps a bit more. At the moment, the front foot is almost on the same line as the back foot. If you get that front foot a bit more across it will get you a bit more side on at the very start and then that should help you rotate with a bit more force.

That's something for you to consider. I used to do the same thing and it took a bit of work to change it because my whole action developed on the basis of that front foot position. Maybe look to get that front foot just a small amount more towards the line of the stumps. Traditionally, the suggestion was that the heel of the front foot would be on the same line as the toe of the back foot. But some bowler will get their front foot further across than that.

Here's how my old front foot position used to be:



And this is how it is now (this is from a walk in drill):

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Cheers mate, that helps alot. What is your opinion on me leaning over towards the stumps abit more, being more chest on and lowering my arm? Not as low as Warne, but more Macgill or Yasir Shar? My main concern at the moment is my inconsistency, I was to become more consistent.
 
TomBowler97 said:
Cheers mate, that helps alot. What is your opinion on me leaning over towards the stumps abit more, being more chest on and lowering my arm? Not as low as Warne, but more Macgill or Yasir Shar? My main concern at the moment is my inconsistency, I was to become more consistent.
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It's a tricky one because there will be subtle differences from bowler to bowler. The key things are that you are able to turn the ball as intended and that you have that consistency.

You will see in my old action how I fall to the left a bit more. That's down to a couple of things but that front foot position is a major part of it.

I wouldn't worry about being chest on. The main thing is to be side on or close to it and then rotate 180 degrees or as close to it as you can.

The lower arm will help get more sidespin on the ball but it will impact on your control of line and length. Again, it's not something I would worry about too much. As long as you are getting the ball to turn, then you should focus on landing the ball on a consistent line and length.
 
TomBowler97 said:
I am getting it on an actual wicket to turn from middle/middle and off to miss off by I would say a couple of inches.
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It would be interesting if you could measure the spin rate. I think this can be done by bowling with a ball like the one in your gopro video, but scrambled so that a revolution can be tracked by the white and red. Would need to film at the highest speed setting. My samsung s4 does *8.

I have been meaning to do this myself, I've done it from hand-to-hand but not in the nets.
 
Cleanprophet said:
It's a tricky one because there will be subtle differences from bowler to bowler. The key things are that you are able to turn the ball as intended and that you have that consistency.

You will see in my old action how I fall to the left a bit more. That's down to a couple of things but that front foot position is a major part of it.

I wouldn't worry about being chest on. The main thing is to be side on or close to it and then rotate 180 degrees or as close to it as you can.

The lower arm will help get more sidespin on the ball but it will impact on your control of line and length. Again, it's not something I would worry about too much. As long as you are getting the ball to turn, then you should focus on landing the ball on a consistent line and length.
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I think thats the issue with me, landing the ball on the right line and length consistently. I am happy with the amount of spin I am getting. It is just that I can bowl some really good balls and then drag out far out side leg or an off side full toss. I just didnt know if the chest on and leaning forward aspect would give me more control?
 
boogiespinner said:
It would be interesting if you could measure the spin rate. I think this can be done by bowling with a ball like the one in your gopro video, but scrambled so that a revolution can be tracked by the white and red. Would need to film at the highest speed setting. My samsung s4 does *8.

I have been meaning to do this myself, I've done it from hand-to-hand but not in the nets.
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I will give it a go, I dont know if my phone will record that though.
 
TomBowler97 said:
I think thats the issue with me, landing the ball on the right line and length consistently. I am happy with the amount of spin I am getting. It is just that I can bowl some really good balls and then drag out far out side leg or an off side full toss. I just didnt know if the chest on and leaning forward aspect would give me more control?
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Really, the line and length consistency comes from repeating the action over and over again. There are things that could happen in an action that makes consistency harder to achieve but I think yout action is solid enough that I'd say it's just about doing lots of target bowling in the nets. A lower arm is the one thing that can really mess with accuracy. Your arm position should allow you to have a nice repeatable line.
 
Cleanprophet said:
Really, the line and length consistency comes from repeating the action over and over again. There are things that could happen in an action that makes consistency harder to achieve but I think yout action is solid enough that I'd say it's just about doing lots of target bowling in the nets. A lower arm is the one thing that can really mess with accuracy. Your arm position should allow you to have a nice repeatable line.
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I noticed one thing about the video I am going to edit soon and that is that my head isnt still all the time, I kept it still in this Saturdays match and I bowled a very consistent line, It was just the length that was a bit inconsistent. Anyways I can improve on a more consistent length? Im nervous about Warne's "think high and spin up" tactic as with my high arm it ends up being a full toss, but then when I rip it hard, I drag it down?
 
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