How we lost the Ashes & How to fix it.

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How we lost the Ashes & How to fix it.

How we lost the Ashes

Captaincy
I have always been a bit critical of Ponting but I thought his captancy was great. His fields were good, his bowlers bowled attacking and his fields were attacking, it's just that his players and his selectors let him down.

Bowling
Hilfenhaus bowled the best he ever has. He bowled full for once which is what you must do to swing the ball. He bowled with fairly good accuracy appart from a couple of poor spells, he was great. He just lacks the bit of variation in his bowling such as a straight ball and maybe even an inswinger. He did his job.

Johnson
As of yet he has never performed anywhere near his potential. His problems were nothing to do with his personal life, his problems were to do with a combinations of the English conditions and the way the ball leaves his hand.
Basically if you bowl pace and you can't get it (the seam) up you shouldn't be playing cricket in England. Perhaps his low arm action is his problem?
Johnson should have never played in England, he bowls off cutters and relies on his pace, bounce and occasional cut off the wicket to get wickets. At this level on those wickets it's a waste, you must be able to get the seam upright.
He shouldn not have played in England.

Siddle
Really deserved more wickets than he got. He has that aggression that most of our bowlers, especially Lee lack. He bowls a fairly good inswinger but doesn't bowl it enough. He's a seam bowler and their is not a great deal of seam movement off the english wickets like there is in Australis and South Africa. He needs to learn more tricks like a slower ball and to work on his swingers but his pace, bounce and aggression were tops. On seaming wickets like in Australia he's going to be very dangerous. He just lacks accuracy especially late in his spell when he's tired but that's something to work on for him.

Clark
Great when there is swing or seam movement but when there's not he's no good to us as he lacks a yard of pace and is not threatening when banging it in short of a length. Will be a good bowler in Australia but not in England where seam movement is minimal and it doesn't always swing. Shouldn't have played there.

Hauritz
Bowled ok without starring. Is not expected to take bags of wickets, but is expected to get 2-4 wickets and bowl tight and I thought he did that. He doesn't really turn it enough to be played on all wickets but the last test he should have played, for sure.

North
More than a handy all rounder, to me looks a better bowler than Graeme Swann. Doesn't turn it a great lot but is an allrounder and contributed a lot for a part time offspinner.



Batting

Ponting
Hasn't got a lot of cricket left in him and should only be playing test cricket. Contributed ok but his best is well past him and we will be looking to replace him very soon.

Clarke
Batted very well throughout the series appart from the last test where he threw his wicket away. Likes wickets that don't give extra bounce.

Hussey
He was finished when we played India in India, is that 5 test series of bad form? To me this spells he's finished and should have gone when Hayden did.

Watson
Finally not injured, touch wood, has batted well but keeps making handy runs without getting his score up around the 100 mark. Is he lacking fitness and getting tired around the 40-50 mark and going out? Wouldn't suprise me with the shocking run he's had with injuries.

Hughes
Very unlucky, had a terrific record leading up to that and the selectors showed little faith in dropping him. I think they listened to too much of the B.S. in the media. There were batsmen going worse than him and they appear un-droppable. He should have retained his place. Even if it ment putting him down the oarder.

North
Very hit and miss, not really reliable but may improve, he made up for things with some good scores though.

Haddin
Lucky he can bat because he can't keep.


The Squad

The squad was rubbish and didn't include our best players. It didn't include the right players.


The selectors
This is not the only series they have cost us!
They cost us the last ashes and many many test matches and series leading up to this loss!
Previously when we had a "dream team" a retarded monkey could have picked a side and it would have won. Now they have been tested and selecting the team means something and they are failing miserably.
Hilditch, the chairman of selectors was not even in England. Merve Hughes was. Teams don't make big dumb pacemen captains, why make them selectors?



How to Fix the Problem

Selectors
Sack the whole selection panell. The way Hilditch got emotional when he finally showed Hayden the door suggests that he, along with the others are far to close to the players to be able to make decisions about them.
We need to get a group of people together who have made a living out of analysing/studying players, getting inside opposition players heads and understanding and reading the game very well. Aswell as picking harder nosed individuals.

My selection panell would be:

Chairman: Steve Waugh - one of Australias most successful leaders, understands the game well and must know how to read players and conditions has he made a career of it as captain and was very successful at that.

Shane Warne - Shane Warne is to cricket what Steven Hawking is to physics. He's a cricket genious. He understands players, the game and the conditions of the game very well. He's got a great cricket brain. Getting him to commit to the job might be an issue.

Dennis Lillie - Not just one of our most gifted bowlers but one of our smartest bowlers. Understood all the aspects of bowling pace, not to mention being a very very good judge/coach of fast bowling.

Damien Martyn - comes accross as an intelligent person and was a very talented batsmen and fieldsman.

Darren Lehmann - Already a selector, and keeping him does mean a full clean out wont be achieved but he was a smart cricketer and had a good brain for the job. Keeping one of the old panell might be a good idea as some of their ideas might be worth carrying on to the next group. He would be the one I'd keep.

Bowling
The current bowling coach only got the job because he helped England cheat their way to victory in '05. Since he arrived Brett Lee no longer swings the ball, our bowlers have lost their variation and the ones coming through lack it. He has failed at fixing Mitchell Johnson, he has not improved our bowlers.

I would like to see Glenn McGrath or Damien Fleming come in, if not as a sole coach but as an assistant perhaps. These two were not just very gifted but they were smart bowlers who bowled with variation and skill. Something our attack lacks.

Dennis Lillie would be a good option for this aswell.


Our Squad for england should have been:

Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Hughes
Watson
North
Ferguson
Marsh
Haddin
Katich
Wade

Clark
Krejza
Huaritz
Hilfenhaus
Bollinger
Siddle
Johnson
Lee

Our Team in the Final test, and probably all tests should have been:

1. Katich - Saw off the old ball and made ok runs.
2. Watson - saw off the new ball and made ok runs.
3. Ponting - Battling.
4. Hughes - If bounce worries him, let him face the old ball.
5. Clarke - great form, good player of spin.
6. North - Handy all-rounder and 2nd spinner.
7. Haddin - Bats well enough.
8. Hauritz - should have played, no doubt.
9. Siddle - Bowled well.
10. Bollinger - Left arm bowler with height, swing, bounce and accuracy.
11. Hilfenhaus - bowled goos swing with good accuracy.
12. Johnson

Bollinger could have won us the series. Left arm swing bowler bowling to two opening left arm openers would have made the difference. Great left arm right arm combination with Hilfenhaus/Bollinger with their swing and accuracy.

Bowling plan:
Hilfenhaus and Bolling to open. Gives us great diversity.
One of them to have a short spell and give it to Siddle first change while it's still hard and sharped seamed.
Hauritz and North to bowl in tandem and bowl long spells of spin, choking the runs and pressuring the batsmen to playing risky shots. Spin at both ends on a dry track is far better than spin at one end. It allows pressure, it forces the batsmen to play shots against the spinner as they arent able to wait for the paceman at the other end to score off when it's turning.
 
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well mate, you make some good points :) but i think Johnson has copped alot of (undeserved crap) because of this lack of form in England. He has been our best bowler for the last 18 months and all that was wrong was his wrist in the wrong position. Is the bowling coach to blame? quite likely, but these things cant just be changed overnight. If a player starts having difficulty, it is hard to change back to their previous way. By the time the 5th test started, I reckon he has it all covered now. He'll do us proud in the ODI's, it's just unfortunate that he didn't fire in the Test series
 
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joshie91;362107 said:
well mate, you make some good points :) but i think Johnson has copped alot of (undeserved crap) because of this lack of form in England. He has been our best bowler for the last 18 months and all that was wrong was his wrist in the wrong position. Is the bowling coach to blame? quite likely, but these things cant just be changed overnight. If a player starts having difficulty, it is hard to change back to their previous way. By the time the 5th test started, I reckon he has it all covered now. He'll do us proud in the ODI's, it's just unfortunate that he didn't fire in the Test series

undeserved ? he was terrible really and his figures flattered him in the end, i think he had 1 maybe 2 good spells for whole tour, it will be a while before id even consider him to be one of our 2 best bowlers and if it was'nt for his batting id seriously consider looking elsewhere, i expect better from our main bowler and i dont care what the excuses were, also gbatman, ponting probably had the final word along with the coach regarding selections, i didnt think he captained overly well, maybe not as bad as he has but not great all the same, i thought the bowling methods used in the second innings of the last test were terrible, why we didnt attack the stumps is beyond me on that pitch, we didnt try and bounce out swann which i thought was a mistake, especially early, 70 runs later we got him with the short ball but he hardly got one before that, and with north, he needs an arm ball before you could even come close to comparing him with swann, and an arm ball with drift as well, i do agree with most of your other points though.
 
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Not sure whether Brad Hodge would be the most objective commentator on the matter, and by that I mean he is probably the least objective person on the planet.

He probably should have played a lot more international cricket, true, but his peak was in the era of Langer,Hayden,Ponting,Martyn,Waugh,Waugh etc so spots were a lot harder to come by. When you are as far above everybody else as Australia was in his era, you can't really fault the selectors.

He has almost become a self-parody now with his bitterness about the selectors every time he goes near a microphone. I can imagine him calling up the Herald Sun sports editor every so often and saying "Hey mate I'm ready to bag out the selectors for not picking me again, think you make it fly?"

There may well be, and probably is, politics in the Australian selectors room, but I would be a lot more inclined to believe someone who hasn't got a vested interest in making them look bad.

Also, Brad Hodge's conduct over the last few years has made it so he could make 3000 runs next season and I would be closer to selection than him.
 
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i think it makes sense what he was saying though, if most of the senior players are from one state and they talk up their state team mates to the selectors and if the selectors listen it could be a reason for the lobsidedness over the years, but on the other hand NSWs has had the best players over the years, im Victorian so im not being biased.
 
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There's always been the feeling that NSW players get a free ride, but if you look at the players they've produced over the last 20 years you can see why (Waughs, Clarke, Lee, Katich, McGrath, MacGill, Hughes, the list goes on). It's only an issue when people like Bollinger and Hauritz start being selected in line-ball decisions when there are candidates from other states who are also pushing for selection.

Hodge asserts, probably correctly, that the high numbers of NSW players currently in the team make it easier for a NSW player to get selected, but in the case of him personally I think it was a case of 'right place at the wrong time' rather than 'he isn't from NSW don't pick him'
 
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he's been a great state player, ive never really been on his bandwagon as far as national duties go, if he was 3/4 yrs younger id consider him now though.
 
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This is getting totally off topic- but please........... :rolleyes:

"Take Shaun Tait for example," Hodge said.

"Shaun Tait was a young guy in the West Indies ... whilst everyone else had their families and friends over there ... Shaun Tait was left there on his own."

"Unfortunately for Shaun, he was stuck in his hotel room."

You're in the West Indies- if you can't find anything to so as a single lad- there's something wrong with YOU- not the fact that wives and girlfriends can come along! :shakes head:
 
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Back on topic- We didn't lose the Ashes because of our bowling. Everyone did their job, and one more wicket in Cardiff and its a totally different scenario. ;)

We lost this Ashes because of our batting. England were in a stronger position in three test matches because we collapsed in the three first innings of those tests, and they won two of them.

Consistency in batting and valuing your wicket more would help in these situations, and not having to carry Michael Hussey through 9 innings would help as well! ;)
 
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pretty much an allround failure i thought, fielding in the second test was discracefull as well, at least compared to the standards we"ve become accustomed too, we also cant bat against good swing bowling, i would suggest that the Australian way of batsmen trying to dominate from the start of their innings could be to blame but i dont think its the case here, we need a lot more practice against the swinging ball IMO.
 
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It's our senior batsmen who are letting us down, so they drop the new boy. Makes no sence. Ponting and Hussey can't make runs, so they drop Hughes who didn't get runs but if the selectors showed the same faith in him he might have come good and been the difference.

The problem is the selectors are far to close to the players. They are a boys club and I recon Brad Hodge is spot on. For many many series Martyn was making no runs and going out cheaply, Hodge should have replaced Martyn before the 2005 Ashes series. Instead it was left drag on. This happens all the time.

You can't cement your spot until your mates with the senior players and selectors. Basically they have to fall in love with you it seems, then you can't get out of the side. The Australian way of "doing it" is not the right way. Change is needed and it needs to be done before shit hits the fan.
 
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We leaked far too many runs, we didn't always bat well, because... Once again the individuals in the team were simply not good enough. They are not the right individuals.
 
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good news is though this is as bad as its going to get IMO, a lot of champion teams bottom out when their eras over, like the West indies did, it wont happen to us, it cant, can it lol.
 
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a for effort;362121 said:
There's always been the feeling that NSW players get a free ride, but if you look at the players they've produced over the last 20 years you can see why (Waughs, Clarke, Lee, Katich, McGrath, MacGill, Hughes, the list goes on). It's only an issue when people like Bollinger and Hauritz start being selected in line-ball decisions when there are candidates from other states who are also pushing for selection.

Hodge asserts, probably correctly, that the high numbers of NSW players currently in the team make it easier for a NSW player to get selected, but in the case of him personally I think it was a case of 'right place at the wrong time' rather than 'he isn't from NSW don't pick him'
Katich at the time was hardly a great player and Clarke had been picked entirely off potential rather than any actual performances

Plus you would never see a NSW player dropped 2 tests after making a double century

Watson isnt from NSW, but being an original Tassie player he benefits alot from Ponting I feel as he is one who is always there when fit despite performances not backing up his selection
 
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a for effort;362121 said:
There's always been the feeling that NSW players get a free ride, but if you look at the players they've produced over the last 20 years you can see why (Waughs, Clarke, Lee, Katich, McGrath, MacGill, Hughes, the list goes on).
i am not saying that these players did not do well for Australia- MacGill in particular has always been a favourite of mine- but there are some selection anomalies for these guys. perhaps the players who got shafted to fit some of these names into the team might have done even better.
Katich and MacGill were originally from WA and had to move to NSW to be taken seriously by the commentariat.
Steve Waugh's selection ahead of Jamie Cox has always rubbed me the wrong way- Cox was the better Shield player and should have had a chance at Test level.
Tom Moody and Mark Waugh were playing for the same spot in Sri Lanka and Moody emerged the better performer despite being shifted around the order (including an opening spot, i think) while M Waugh batted in the same position throughout. plus Moody could bowl better than Steve so picking both Waughs ahead of Moody was seriously dubious at the least.
Clarke's selection was simply to get a young guy into the side and there are at least a dozen older players who should have been picked before him, starting with Mike Hussey.
McGrath's Shield performances were superior to those of his contemporaries but if you look at Jo Angel, who had a superior Shield performance and a better start to Tests, a few years before you can see the difference between how a NSW player fairs and somebody from another state does.
Lee's place in the side on some occasions was simply not justified by his form or the conditions, it was simply something that suited 'team balance.' the notion of playing two spinners because they were the best bowlers was too shocking for some.

a for effort;362121 said:
It's only an issue when people like Bollinger and Hauritz start being selected in line-ball decisions when there are candidates from other states who are also pushing for selection.

somebody came up with the notion that New South Wales picks players for future test selection back in the colonial era when Victoria gave them a thumping three years in a row and 140 years later it still influences our team selections.
 
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lets face it, unless you like running into brickwalls with a rugby ball in your hands theres really not lot more you can do if your a talented sportsman in sydney exept play cricket, seriously though, i think i lot more kids in Victoria would choose AFL over cricket but im not sure how many would choose rugby over cricket.
 
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our selections are a joke, very amature, very unprofessional.

I don't think we will get the selection panel rehaul we need. The people who decide the future of the selectors are just as gutless and stupid as the selectors are about the cricketers.
 
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selecting has become a lot harder sinse we lost 2 of the best bowlers the world has seen, has the selecting of players been biased to NSWs over the years, yes, now back to the main topic, our bowling line up is a shadow of its former self, our batting is weaker as well but no way near as weak as our bowling in comparison IMO, we need to develop a good wrist spinner or a good left arm Orthodox spinner with good variations, how do we do that you may ask ?, education is the key, we need to be telling the younger talented bowlers who just dont have the pace to become serious pace options that spin is the way for them to go, how many talented bowlers are playing district or A grade cricket becuase they lack 10/15 KMH in pace to become state or national cricketers, we need to identify these kids at an early age and give them the tools they need to become very good spin bowlers, in allmost every team ive played in the spin option in the team was just a bloke who couldnt bowl quick and had to bowl spin, and thats the problem IMO, anyone who can bowl quick (quick for the grade they play) do, they want the new ball and in reality the vast majority of them are throwing away any chance they had of playing in the higher leagues, and its allways been that way, it needs to change IMO because spin has become much more of a weapon over the last 20 yrs, let me use breeno as an example, he normally opens the bowling and is quite talented as a quick, but in reality he lacks pace (on a national level) and just wont make it to national level (i hope im wrong) its guys like this we should be developing as spin bowlers, back to our quicks,,, our pace attack is a work in progress and i think its on the right track although I'm hopefull someone will burst onto the scene within the next 2 years in the McGrath or Gillespie mould, our batting is up and down but against quality swing bowling there really isn't many batsman in the world who wouldn't struggle, when the ball didn't swing we looked at ease, as soon as it swung we were scittled, the same happened to our 05 team as well and there were some pretty good players in that team i think you'd all agree, swing has been our Achilles heal for a long time now.
 
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