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ICC suspends USA Cricket Association

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/usa/content/current/story/282227.html

It seems the ICC has had enough of the USACA's incompetence and has suspended it from being a member of the cricket council.

The USACA will not receive an annual grant from the ICC and will not participate in the Division Three World Cricket League Series in Darwin, Australia this coming May. It has also been dropped from Division Three.

The ICC have also stated that the ban will be lifted after the West Indies Cricket Board (who have been asked to monitor the USACA operation for the time being) determine the best time for membership to be re-granted after discussion with the executive board.

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There's a brief run-down of the article. Very bad news for the USACA, their constitution was rejected and they also failed to have any elections which they were supposed to do under the ICC's guidelines given to them.

Another backward step for cricket in the USA, they really need to get their house in order and soon otherwise this will be continuing for the forseeable future.
 
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Yeah, surprised ICC had the guts to take this step. But will it force the Maryland Mugabe to step down? Don't count on
it. ICC should invite a team of pro baseballers to represent the USA in the World Cricket League
in Darwin.
 
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Good to see that the ICC has some guts on this.
timmyj51;141143 said:
ICC should invite a team of pro baseballers to represent the USA in the World Cricket League in Darwin.
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Man you are retarded.
 
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It's unfortunate that the players have to suffer as as consequence,they do have some talented players.
 
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marlyminks;141170 said:
It's unfortunate that the players have to suffer as as consequence,they do have some talented players.
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They said the same thing when South Africa was
banned from international cricket. Poor South African
cricketers banned because of an oppressive government
they had no part of!
Well, the situation's no different with the USACA. Might
be too bad for the national team players but in a way
they were part of the problem. They continued to go
along and play under the Maryland Mugabe regime. What
would have happened if the top players had stood up and said
they wouldn't play for the USA team until the USACA
gets its act together? My guess is a lot. They said it
in South Africa and can now say it in Yankland: "No normal cricket with an abnormal administration."
 
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Ljp86;141138 said:
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/usa/content/current/story/282227.html

It seems the ICC has had enough of the USACA's incompetence and has suspended it from being a member of the cricket council.
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This is probably the best news to come ahead of the World Cup. I know it sounds hypocritical and all, being based in USA. But unfortunately when things are so bad, the only hope for getting better is to get banned and be forced to put things straight the right way.

I really hope USA can manage to qualify for 2011 World Cup, or maybe even make a showing in the 20/20 World Cup. But the right people really need to get started working in a hurry. This is the best time for progress.
 
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timmyj51;141143 said:
Yeah, surprised ICC had the guts to take this step.
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Why wouldn't they? They were always going to suspend the USACA because of their incompetence. It's the only thing to do, perhaps it will force a change in the leadership and a change of board for the USACA.

timmyj51;141143 said:
But will it force the Maryland Mugabe to step down? Don't count on it.
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The onus is on the people within the USACA and the players to force out the head of the Association, not the ICC. The ICC may intervene at a much later date if they continue to flounder.

QUOTE=timmyj51;141143 said:
ICC should invite a team of pro baseballers to represent the USA in the World Cricket League
in Darwin.
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They wouldn't get past 50.
 
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its good that the ICC finally took this step, but at the same time, why won't the ICC get involved in trying to fix the problem. they set dates for certain things to be done, but they aren't sending in people to help, or even monitor. why have the WICB monitor things? what good will that do?

the ICC should step in, help with the creation of a new constitution, and oversee the elections of a new board.
 
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"Man you are retarded."




Hmmm, the nitwit's slur still hasn't been deleted. Guess this website
has double standards...you know, like there are for whites and
abos in Bandiland.
 
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"They wouldn't get past 50."



More than enough when you can bowl the other guys out for 40,
which is what the Yank pro baseballers would do with the mind-boggling attack of
Hallady, Santana, Martinez, Carpenter, Rivera, etc. Hell, this bowling lineup
would make the 80's Windies attack look like a U-15 side!
 
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timmyj51;141700 said:
More than enough when you can bowl the other guys out for 40,which is what the Yank pro baseballers would do with the mind-boggling attack ofHallady, Santana, Martinez, Carpenter, Rivera, etc. Hell, this bowling lineup would make the 80's Windies attack look like a U-15 side!
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Highly unlikely Tim. 10 full-pitched deliveries would end the baseballers' innings at no doubt, a paltry score.

Besides, you'd have to teach these blokes to bowl witout chucking, something which would prove a long and difficult process.

You live in a world of make believe.
 
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Ljp86;141703 said:
...Besides, you'd have to teach these blokes to bowl witout chucking, something which would prove a long and difficult process.
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thats brings up a valid question- how hard would it be to teach a strong (physically and minded) athlete to bowl proper? i don't think it is as hard as you think it is.
 
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Iggy;142434 said:
thats brings up a valid question- how hard would it be to teach a strong (physically and minded) athlete to bowl proper? i don't think it is as hard as you think it is.
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Have worked with plenty of Americans at cricket and found
not that hard at all for the athletically talented. BTW,
have also played with a lot of ex-pat weekenders and seen
plenty of chuckers!
 
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timmyj51;142440 said:
Have worked with plenty of Americans at cricket and found
not that hard at all for the athletically talented. BTW,
have also played with a lot of ex-pat weekenders and seen
plenty of chuckers!
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So what you're saying is that Americans are inherently better athletes than non-Americans? That American pitchers with no previous training in cricket would be better bowlers than world class cricketers who have played and trained since they could hold a ball??? That these baseball players would be able to set records for bowling simply because they are americans?????






You are even more delusional than I thought.
 
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Wilbix;142457 said:
So what you're saying is that Americans are inherently better athletes than non-Americans? That American pitchers with no previous training in cricket would be better bowlers than world class cricketers who have played and trained since they could hold a ball??? That these baseball players would be able to set records for bowling simply because they are americans?????
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But the moment they change citizenship to some other country, they will turn crap.

Then if they get naturalized back as US citizen, they will magically become the best bowlers in the world.

And so on and so on. Repeat, rise, lather until mixed with uniform consistency.

You get the idea.
 
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Somebody should do a study, sounds like a good thesis topic. Timmy, you have your Ph.D yet?
 
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Iggy said:
thats brings up a valid question- how hard would it be to teach a strong (physically and minded) athlete to bowl proper? i don't think it is as hard as you think it is.
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Hard to teach? Not really. Teaching a person the basic skills of cricket isn't that hard as long as the "coach" knows what they are doing.

Hard to learn? Yes. People can't be expected to pick up a ball and bowl 155 km/hr after two training sessions. It just doesn't work like that. Learning the skills of cricket is an on-going process, you won't be able to learn every single aspect of the game and excel at it with a snap of the fingers. This is the reason why the top players in the world such as Brett Lee and Sachin Tendulkar have coaches, their would be skills (mainly psychological and strategic) that they haven't learnt as yet or haven't mastered properly.

Hard to master? Extremely. The professional cricket players that we know have been playing the game for most of their life and have learnt many, many skills and things about the game. You cannot teach 20+ years worth cricket concepts to a player who has never played cricket before and then expect them to be one of the world's leading players. That is nigh on impossible.

Baseball and cricket have similar concepts (i.e bat, ball, catching, scoring runs etc) but they are very different games. It would take intense training over a period of time for a player of either sport to cross over to the other and once they make the transition, they aren't guaranteed to be a superstar. They would still have to learn many more skills in order to master the game.

It all comes down to an athlete's skill learning and how quickly they can adapt to the new skills taught to them. People are kidding themselves if they reckon a person can be the next "superplayer" in their adopted sport after a 2-hour tutorial.

Wilbix;142516 said:
Somebody should do a study, sounds like a good thesis topic. Timmy, you have your Ph.D yet?
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I can just imagaine what his first journal article title would be,

"Does being an American citizen make you a mega prodigy at your chosen sporting profession?"
 
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"Hard to learn? Yes. People can't be expected to pick up a ball and bowl 155 km/hr after two training sessions. It just doesn't work like that."



Forgetting one important thing. Success at high level baseball and
cricket both depend on a number of very similar physical skills: bat speed,
arm strength, reflexes, etc. Sports scientists will tell you someone can have
the best coaching, practice intensely for six hours a day, play for 20
years, etc., but if he doesn't have these basic skills at a superlative level he's
never going to be great. If a baseball player has these physical skills
at a high level he can play at a high level of cricket. Won't happen ovenight
but he's got the raw physical ability to do it. And vice versa. Why did the
White Sox give Bret Lee a tryout? Because they thought he had the physical
skills (arm strength, accuracy, etc) to make him a major league pitcher even though he's
probably never played a day of baseball in his life. If Shoab can bowl
100 mph I'm pretty sure he could throw a pitch 90 mph. Anyone who
can do that will get a long, hard, look by pro baseball scouts.
 
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timmyj51;142629 said:
Forgetting one important thing. Success at high level baseball and
cricket both depend on a number of very similar physical skills: bat speed,
arm strength, reflexes, etc. Sports scientists will tell you someone can have
the best coaching, practice intensely for six hours a day, play for 20
years, etc., but if he doesn't have these basic skills at a superlative level he's
never going to be great. If a baseball player has these physical skills
at a high level he can play at a high level of cricket.
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So because they have a few similar attributes they are guaranteed success? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. As you and I have said, it is not a quick-learn thing. Having a few skills that are similar between two sports doesn guarantee them to be a good player when they cross "codes" so to speak.

It is all about skill-learning and how quickly the athlete can do so. Sure, a baseball player could play cricket but I don't see them playing at a high level like you have been saying.

timmyj51 said:
Won't happen ovenight
but he's got the raw physical ability to do it. And vice versa. Why did the
White Sox give Bret Lee a tryout? Because they thought he had the physical
skills (arm strength, accuracy, etc) to make him a major league pitcher even though he's
probably never played a day of baseball in his life. If Shoab can bowl
100 mph I'm pretty sure he could throw a pitch 90 mph. Anyone who
can do that will get a long, hard, look by pro baseball scouts.
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Pitching is only one skill. There are players on baseball teams for one purpose only, whether it be pitching, catching or batting. Cricket is vaugely similar in this concept but players must be able to do all things (to an extent) and not just be totally committed to just one aspect of the game. Bowlers must be able to bat when required and batters also must know how the bowl as they may be called upon to bowl a few overs. And all players must have a high skill level in the fielding department, especially in one-day and Twenty20 cricket.

Coverting a baseball player to cricket would require them to learn a wide range of skills and not just one or a few.
 
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