Indian Premier/Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
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Chandu
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Re: Indian Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
You seem to be asking a rhetorical question without elaborating more. Can you explain what in your opinion are going to be costs to the game by expanding geographical footprint?
Caesar;195735 said:
You seem to be asking a rhetorical question without elaborating more. Can you explain what in your opinion are going to be costs to the game by expanding geographical footprint?
Caesar
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Re: Indian Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
I'm just pointing out that corporatisation and commercialisation of sports are not necessarily the best things for the game, even if they do result in the sport expanding its global footprint. For example, the English Premiership has expanded the global footprint of football, but a lot of English fans preferred it before the TV money took over and sent things ridiculous.Chandu;195812 said:
Re: Indian Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
It's being played right now and they're in the semi-final stage.
I don't think it is televised here in Australia but I don't have Foxtel so I'm not exactly sure. I saw a picture yesterday which showed that quite a few of the seats were empty perhaps suggesting that it hasn't been as popular as they thought it would be.
Jolldo87;197803 said:
It's being played right now and they're in the semi-final stage.
I don't think it is televised here in Australia but I don't have Foxtel so I'm not exactly sure. I saw a picture yesterday which showed that quite a few of the seats were empty perhaps suggesting that it hasn't been as popular as they thought it would be.
Re: Indian Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
Yes. The Indian Premier League (IPL) is an official BCCI sanctioned tournament which is in association with a few other sporting boards around the world (Cricket Australia is one of them). This tournament will take place next year with the competition consisting of a few "franchises" which will be based in a particular country (Australia will have two teams in this tournament, I think). Players can then be signed to teams although I'm not too sure if they have to exclusively play for a franchize in their home country.
More news regarding this will be released as the competition gets closer. Considering this is an official BCCI product, I think Indian fans will be more receptive to it.
Jolldo87;198329 said:
Yes. The Indian Premier League (IPL) is an official BCCI sanctioned tournament which is in association with a few other sporting boards around the world (Cricket Australia is one of them). This tournament will take place next year with the competition consisting of a few "franchises" which will be based in a particular country (Australia will have two teams in this tournament, I think). Players can then be signed to teams although I'm not too sure if they have to exclusively play for a franchize in their home country.
More news regarding this will be released as the competition gets closer. Considering this is an official BCCI product, I think Indian fans will be more receptive to it.
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Chandu
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Re: Indian Cricket League - death of traditional cricket as we know it?
I don't think Indian fans care 2 bits about BCCI. They care about the Indian team. But BCCI is another matter. In fact, BCCI is passionately hated by some Indian cricket fans, mainly because of corruption and mismanagement issues.
Ljp86;198388 said:
I don't think Indian fans care 2 bits about BCCI. They care about the Indian team. But BCCI is another matter. In fact, BCCI is passionately hated by some Indian cricket fans, mainly because of corruption and mismanagement issues.
Tassietigersrule
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IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
One of the biggest revolutions since world series cricket, and like world series has people asking whether this new league is going to ruin international cricket, or traditional cricket itself. Twenty20, as we are constantly reminded almost every time on channel 9 when this version is in Australia by Michael Slater (too many times for my liking) is here to stay, no doubt about that. Not that I was alive when the rebel world series was around, but the similarities are probably there.
What's concerning is international players are thinking whether they are better off turning away from the chance to represent their country and go for the money. This seems nothing more than a cash grab to me, just down right greedy by both the rebel league and the Indian board, with an idea of entertainment first and not really thinking about cricket itself.
But the players can't be blamed completely, especially from the poorer nations, who can set their life up after cricket with these huge salaries and a huge pay packet, compared to what they'd get paid playing international cricket.
One of the biggest revolutions since world series cricket, and like world series has people asking whether this new league is going to ruin international cricket, or traditional cricket itself. Twenty20, as we are constantly reminded almost every time on channel 9 when this version is in Australia by Michael Slater (too many times for my liking) is here to stay, no doubt about that. Not that I was alive when the rebel world series was around, but the similarities are probably there.
What's concerning is international players are thinking whether they are better off turning away from the chance to represent their country and go for the money. This seems nothing more than a cash grab to me, just down right greedy by both the rebel league and the Indian board, with an idea of entertainment first and not really thinking about cricket itself.
But the players can't be blamed completely, especially from the poorer nations, who can set their life up after cricket with these huge salaries and a huge pay packet, compared to what they'd get paid playing international cricket.
schwab2clarkson
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
Mate to the indian players it's all about how much money they are getting. For any of the international players it is a chance for them to play in a rebel league.
I notice that you are a traditionalist, champ. No hassles there mate. However, you will find that a Twenty20 competition is more popular amongst the fans. You don't get many people going to watch the 50 over games. They find it dull and boring and they usually don't want to sit for 7 hours watching cricket. Give them something like a twenty20 competition and you will get all the fans talking.
Mate to the indian players it's all about how much money they are getting. For any of the international players it is a chance for them to play in a rebel league.
I notice that you are a traditionalist, champ. No hassles there mate. However, you will find that a Twenty20 competition is more popular amongst the fans. You don't get many people going to watch the 50 over games. They find it dull and boring and they usually don't want to sit for 7 hours watching cricket. Give them something like a twenty20 competition and you will get all the fans talking.
Crystal Ball - Will IPL change cricket as we know it?
Crystal Ball - Will IPL change cricket as we know it?
Make no mistake, IPL is going to change the face of cricket. In 5 years we are going to look back and remember the "old days" that cricket is now. Often people talk about change in terms of it being a bad thing. Sometimes this is true, but i dont think it will be true of IPL.
IPL will force cricket to change for the better. It will provide an exciting alternative to the current formats. It will revitalise a sport that has become a bit stale in recent years due to the utter dominance of the Australian team.
It will introduce new fans to the game. To those that are uninitiated, they often think cricket now is "boring" and "too long". But by offering up the unadulterated excitement of big hitting, and action packed matches that only have a 3 hour duration, many of these objections will fade away.
IPL will also drag cricket into the big time in terms of money and commercialisation. More money for players & teams, more sponsorship and television deals. All this means more money flowing through the game, meaning a more professional spectacle for the fans. The quality of the game itself will improve.
Finally, and possibly the biggest predicted effect of IPL, will be that India will rise to the top of international ranks. Australia may currently dominate, but the reality is that IPL will be an incredible breeding ground for young Indian players. It will provide an incredible platform for young Indian cricketers to excel. Youngsters who gain an opportunity playing for an IPL franchise will be exposed to the best coaches, the best methods and most importantly, will have the chance to play alongside the very best players in the world. With those opportunities and the incredible national talent in India, it is hard to imagine how they will not rise to the top.
Perhaps if this happens in 5 years, people will look back at the retirement of many of the Australian stalwarts. Sure, Australia has had the benefit of a "team of a generation" and a gaping hole will exist when the bulk of them retire. But make no mistake, IPL will mean young Indian players have the chance to develop faster than they do now, and probably better than any other youth talent program in the world.
Anyway you look at it, IPL will be a vehicle of change on the cricketing world. I am hoping and expecting that it will be for the positive.
www.iplblog.com
Crystal Ball - Will IPL change cricket as we know it?
Make no mistake, IPL is going to change the face of cricket. In 5 years we are going to look back and remember the "old days" that cricket is now. Often people talk about change in terms of it being a bad thing. Sometimes this is true, but i dont think it will be true of IPL.
IPL will force cricket to change for the better. It will provide an exciting alternative to the current formats. It will revitalise a sport that has become a bit stale in recent years due to the utter dominance of the Australian team.
It will introduce new fans to the game. To those that are uninitiated, they often think cricket now is "boring" and "too long". But by offering up the unadulterated excitement of big hitting, and action packed matches that only have a 3 hour duration, many of these objections will fade away.
IPL will also drag cricket into the big time in terms of money and commercialisation. More money for players & teams, more sponsorship and television deals. All this means more money flowing through the game, meaning a more professional spectacle for the fans. The quality of the game itself will improve.
Finally, and possibly the biggest predicted effect of IPL, will be that India will rise to the top of international ranks. Australia may currently dominate, but the reality is that IPL will be an incredible breeding ground for young Indian players. It will provide an incredible platform for young Indian cricketers to excel. Youngsters who gain an opportunity playing for an IPL franchise will be exposed to the best coaches, the best methods and most importantly, will have the chance to play alongside the very best players in the world. With those opportunities and the incredible national talent in India, it is hard to imagine how they will not rise to the top.
Perhaps if this happens in 5 years, people will look back at the retirement of many of the Australian stalwarts. Sure, Australia has had the benefit of a "team of a generation" and a gaping hole will exist when the bulk of them retire. But make no mistake, IPL will mean young Indian players have the chance to develop faster than they do now, and probably better than any other youth talent program in the world.
Anyway you look at it, IPL will be a vehicle of change on the cricketing world. I am hoping and expecting that it will be for the positive.
www.iplblog.com
Kram81
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Re: Crystal Ball - Will IPL change cricket as we know it?
India to rise to the top of international cricket through a 20/20 tornament? Sorry but that is a pipedream. Might help them keep their 20/20 WC.
Interesting times ahead with this and has the potential to go either way in being positive or damaging, we shall see.
On thing that IMO is a bit worrying is the massive potential for match fixing. High exposure games with money about and results that the players are going to be indifferent to. .
India to rise to the top of international cricket through a 20/20 tornament? Sorry but that is a pipedream. Might help them keep their 20/20 WC.
Interesting times ahead with this and has the potential to go either way in being positive or damaging, we shall see.
On thing that IMO is a bit worrying is the massive potential for match fixing. High exposure games with money about and results that the players are going to be indifferent to. .
Tassietigersrule
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Re: Crystal Ball - Will IPL change cricket as we know it?
Umm, geez, this thread sounds almost the same as the 1 I started. Because you're a 1st timer mate, I'll go easy on you, otherwise I'd say you're trying to steal my thread.
Umm, geez, this thread sounds almost the same as the 1 I started. Because you're a 1st timer mate, I'll go easy on you, otherwise I'd say you're trying to steal my thread.
Tassietigersrule
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
Yes mate, I want test and 50-over cricket to live on as well, let's just hope that Twenty20 doesn't destroy it.
Looking at a broader prospective, the Indian board created IPL because ICL were pinching their up and coming talent. That's fine.
India, and probably England and Australia should be wealthy enough to hold on to their players. But even New Zealand, who are hardly a poor, third world country, cannot compete with these leagues in terms of money. If a player from Bangladesh for example is offered the chance to play for his country, or compete in IPL or ICL, he'd pick the latter 2 surely, because he's potentially setting his life up because of the $$$ and earn a truck load more than he ever would for his nation. That is a concern.
If this continues, these nations will become weaker and international cricket will become less competitive. Of course, it's great Australia is still on top, but we want competition right?
Yes mate, I want test and 50-over cricket to live on as well, let's just hope that Twenty20 doesn't destroy it.
Looking at a broader prospective, the Indian board created IPL because ICL were pinching their up and coming talent. That's fine.
India, and probably England and Australia should be wealthy enough to hold on to their players. But even New Zealand, who are hardly a poor, third world country, cannot compete with these leagues in terms of money. If a player from Bangladesh for example is offered the chance to play for his country, or compete in IPL or ICL, he'd pick the latter 2 surely, because he's potentially setting his life up because of the $$$ and earn a truck load more than he ever would for his nation. That is a concern.
If this continues, these nations will become weaker and international cricket will become less competitive. Of course, it's great Australia is still on top, but we want competition right?
Kram81
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
Good points TassieTigers. The poorer nations is where the real worry is. I have no problems with retiring superstars going off to make some bread when they International careers are over instead of say playing County or state Cricket. Take Zimbabwe as the worst case, a country on its knees ATM as far as cricket goes, when they can hardly even pay their players even a modest wage is any young talented player going to stay and represent his country which is what he should be doing? They will take anything where they can make a decent living.
Good points TassieTigers. The poorer nations is where the real worry is. I have no problems with retiring superstars going off to make some bread when they International careers are over instead of say playing County or state Cricket. Take Zimbabwe as the worst case, a country on its knees ATM as far as cricket goes, when they can hardly even pay their players even a modest wage is any young talented player going to stay and represent his country which is what he should be doing? They will take anything where they can make a decent living.
Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
Threads merged.
Some very good posts in this thread and some very good points have been brought up.
The IPL is both good and bad for cricket. It's good in the fact that it brings a lot more exporusre to the game, not only in cricketing nations but also the world in general and that will do the game in that sense no harm. This type of tournament is something that we haven't seen before and is in essence completely new.
What's bad about it is that it may limit potential growth of cricket in some nations, particularly the developing ones. Many players from the established countries as well as nations like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe will find the IPL attractive simply because they can earn more money playing a Twenty20 game rather than representing their country. That is something the ICC don't want since they are trying to get Bangladesh more involved with the sport and then they're trying to bring Zimbabwe cricket back from the brink.
This could make international cricket a lot poorer in terms of quality and also financially. The ICC is now stuck in a hard place over what to do. Malcolm Speed has already said the calendar has no room for such a tournament but the power that the BCCI has may force them to include the IPL series on the calendar simply because many international cricketers would rather earn more money for playing in the Twenty20 tournament. And this is turn would lessen the standard of international cricket which will no doubt result in a loss of sponsorship dollars, TV rights money, crowd numbers and other such impacts on the game in a global stance. I believe that the ICC has no choice but to include this tournament on the ICC calendar, the risks are far too high for them to not do so as the outcomes could be disatrous. Speed knows this and he is now willing to make room for this series even though deep down he doesn't want to.
This sort of tournament will no doubt change the face of the game. 50-over cricket will suffer as a result, it may not even be around in the future as more and more people embrace the Twenty20 format. It certainly has the power to change cricket forever but whether it does remains to be seen.
I really don't see how Twenty20 cricket is going to improve India's overall ranking the game. It's Twenty20 ranking may stay the same, we could see India become a consistently brilliant Twenty20 side. Some of these new found skills may also improve their 50-over game but we don't know if it will or not. India has been hot and cold so far in the Commonwealth Bank Series, at times they've been brilliant and others they've been ordinary.
However, I don't see how a glorified slog-a-thon will improve India's test match performances. One-day cricket is totally different to test match cricket and trying to hit sixes from ball one isn't going to see them become a test powerhouse. If anything, this will be a detriment to their test game, India already plays a bucketload of one-day games due to the sheer amount of money they generate. If Twenty20 goes off in India I can see scoreless amounts of these games being played simply because of the interest and income that they will generate.
It still doesn't change the fact though that their test game won't show much improvement from slogging or from bowling yorkers every delivery. I fail to see how the IPL will improve Indian cricket, Twenty20 may become their niche but ODI's and tests may suffer.
Threads merged.
Some very good posts in this thread and some very good points have been brought up.
The IPL is both good and bad for cricket. It's good in the fact that it brings a lot more exporusre to the game, not only in cricketing nations but also the world in general and that will do the game in that sense no harm. This type of tournament is something that we haven't seen before and is in essence completely new.
What's bad about it is that it may limit potential growth of cricket in some nations, particularly the developing ones. Many players from the established countries as well as nations like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe will find the IPL attractive simply because they can earn more money playing a Twenty20 game rather than representing their country. That is something the ICC don't want since they are trying to get Bangladesh more involved with the sport and then they're trying to bring Zimbabwe cricket back from the brink.
This could make international cricket a lot poorer in terms of quality and also financially. The ICC is now stuck in a hard place over what to do. Malcolm Speed has already said the calendar has no room for such a tournament but the power that the BCCI has may force them to include the IPL series on the calendar simply because many international cricketers would rather earn more money for playing in the Twenty20 tournament. And this is turn would lessen the standard of international cricket which will no doubt result in a loss of sponsorship dollars, TV rights money, crowd numbers and other such impacts on the game in a global stance. I believe that the ICC has no choice but to include this tournament on the ICC calendar, the risks are far too high for them to not do so as the outcomes could be disatrous. Speed knows this and he is now willing to make room for this series even though deep down he doesn't want to.
This sort of tournament will no doubt change the face of the game. 50-over cricket will suffer as a result, it may not even be around in the future as more and more people embrace the Twenty20 format. It certainly has the power to change cricket forever but whether it does remains to be seen.
eays said:
I really don't see how Twenty20 cricket is going to improve India's overall ranking the game. It's Twenty20 ranking may stay the same, we could see India become a consistently brilliant Twenty20 side. Some of these new found skills may also improve their 50-over game but we don't know if it will or not. India has been hot and cold so far in the Commonwealth Bank Series, at times they've been brilliant and others they've been ordinary.
However, I don't see how a glorified slog-a-thon will improve India's test match performances. One-day cricket is totally different to test match cricket and trying to hit sixes from ball one isn't going to see them become a test powerhouse. If anything, this will be a detriment to their test game, India already plays a bucketload of one-day games due to the sheer amount of money they generate. If Twenty20 goes off in India I can see scoreless amounts of these games being played simply because of the interest and income that they will generate.
It still doesn't change the fact though that their test game won't show much improvement from slogging or from bowling yorkers every delivery. I fail to see how the IPL will improve Indian cricket, Twenty20 may become their niche but ODI's and tests may suffer.
Tassietigersrule
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
The threads have merged, all is well that ends well.
Well, the ICL seem to be trying to give IPL another slap in the face. Now they're trying to expand their rebellious empire into the other sub-continent countries. The BCCI will no doubt try to repsond, but will this be to an even bigger detriment to international cricket, or to other countires in general? This is starting to smell like what India did in the 1990s, when they played a huge amount of one-day games and paid little attention to tests. This is perhaps one of the reasons why the future of 50-over cricket is in doubt, over-exposure has seemed to have killed it.
With Twenty20 now, the "rock and roll" format, it's all wowsers now, but over-exposure is now looking like ruining the traditional formats and international cricket in general. We are definitely not over-exposed to it now, but with this happening, it looks like taking over the world. And what will we be saying about over-exposed Twenty20 in years to come?
The threads have merged, all is well that ends well.
Well, the ICL seem to be trying to give IPL another slap in the face. Now they're trying to expand their rebellious empire into the other sub-continent countries. The BCCI will no doubt try to repsond, but will this be to an even bigger detriment to international cricket, or to other countires in general? This is starting to smell like what India did in the 1990s, when they played a huge amount of one-day games and paid little attention to tests. This is perhaps one of the reasons why the future of 50-over cricket is in doubt, over-exposure has seemed to have killed it.
With Twenty20 now, the "rock and roll" format, it's all wowsers now, but over-exposure is now looking like ruining the traditional formats and international cricket in general. We are definitely not over-exposed to it now, but with this happening, it looks like taking over the world. And what will we be saying about over-exposed Twenty20 in years to come?
D.K
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
Don't know much about the ICL but the IPL will be good in the sense of cricket and level of it. The worlds best players in 20-20 cricket will go off like fire cracker. What I am worried about is the money that is being made by each team does this just go back to the owners as profit or will it be injected into the world cricket stage to improve the great game?
Don't know much about the ICL but the IPL will be good in the sense of cricket and level of it. The worlds best players in 20-20 cricket will go off like fire cracker. What I am worried about is the money that is being made by each team does this just go back to the owners as profit or will it be injected into the world cricket stage to improve the great game?
D.K
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
I have come back to this thread after seeing the start of the IPL. For me this is wrecking world cricket as we know it. Before cricketers were honoured to play cricket for the love of the game and not the draw of quick easy cash. Now all I see is players pulling up their international career short to play a quick tournament where they are guarenteed to make a lot of money.
Also it is interesting that the creators of the IPL are considering removing the $5 million salary cap. Players could be paid anything the sky is the limit. Seasoned international players could pull up stumps earlier and head over to India (and soon to be England) to make enough money to set them up for life.
My worry is that the international standard of cricket will drop and test cricket will suffer.
I read an article by David Gower expressing his feelings on the matter his views were 20-20 were here to stay but it wouldn't impact on Test Cricket and cricketers will still be judged by how they will go in Test cricket, the true form. I just hope he is right.
I have come back to this thread after seeing the start of the IPL. For me this is wrecking world cricket as we know it. Before cricketers were honoured to play cricket for the love of the game and not the draw of quick easy cash. Now all I see is players pulling up their international career short to play a quick tournament where they are guarenteed to make a lot of money.
Also it is interesting that the creators of the IPL are considering removing the $5 million salary cap. Players could be paid anything the sky is the limit. Seasoned international players could pull up stumps earlier and head over to India (and soon to be England) to make enough money to set them up for life.
My worry is that the international standard of cricket will drop and test cricket will suffer.
I read an article by David Gower expressing his feelings on the matter his views were 20-20 were here to stay but it wouldn't impact on Test Cricket and cricketers will still be judged by how they will go in Test cricket, the true form. I just hope he is right.
Kram81
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Re: IPL and ICL- is this damaging international cricket?
Totally agree Guru, the removal of the cap is a worry.
Personally I enjoyed the first few games but recently it's become pretty boring. In small doses 20/20 is great fun but it's not real cricket.
It's definetly going to have a negative impact on the proper forms of the game, it's just a question of how much IMO.
Totally agree Guru, the removal of the cap is a worry.
Personally I enjoyed the first few games but recently it's become pretty boring. In small doses 20/20 is great fun but it's not real cricket.
It's definetly going to have a negative impact on the proper forms of the game, it's just a question of how much IMO.