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Re: McGain is hopeless?
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McGain is hopeless?
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Kram81
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Re: McGain is hopeless?
Warnie still backing him.
http://content.cricinfo.com/engvaus2009/content/story/396975.html
Warnie still backing him.
http://content.cricinfo.com/engvaus2009/content/story/396975.html
Re: McGain is hopeless?
i would have picked mcgain for the ashes. just cause he had a bad start doesn't make him a bad bowler.
besides with his record so far the poms will want to get after him. and batsman who try to slog a leggie out of the ground in a test don't usually hang around too long. it would be a chance for mcgain to get a bag full of english wickets.
i do also agree with hauritz's picking though. CA have identified him as the next spinner because of his good pakistani tour, and he has been showing some fine form. they wouldnt be able to ignore him. i would have brought mcgain along though, let him play the couple of tour matches and see how he goes.
i would have picked mcgain for the ashes. just cause he had a bad start doesn't make him a bad bowler.
besides with his record so far the poms will want to get after him. and batsman who try to slog a leggie out of the ground in a test don't usually hang around too long. it would be a chance for mcgain to get a bag full of english wickets.
i do also agree with hauritz's picking though. CA have identified him as the next spinner because of his good pakistani tour, and he has been showing some fine form. they wouldnt be able to ignore him. i would have brought mcgain along though, let him play the couple of tour matches and see how he goes.
A.B De Villiers
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Re: McGain is hopeless?
well said boris. no harm in giving him a run in the tour games. maybe he should've looked at a county stint, that would've helped his selection no end.
well said boris. no harm in giving him a run in the tour games. maybe he should've looked at a county stint, that would've helped his selection no end.
Re: McGain is hopeless?
what do you think about his longevity?
i dont think its a problem. australia doesn't really have another spinner of international standards, so maybe by the time he retires a young up and comer will be ready. if not then hauritz and co will still be around for a few years.
i watched an interview with him a while ago, about a season before he was selected when he was injured. the interview was to make him look good and make the audience feel like theres another warnie waiting in the wings, but when they interviewer asked him when he was going to retire he jokingly said at 45. except not that jokingly. for some reason i think he may try...
what do you think about his longevity?
i dont think its a problem. australia doesn't really have another spinner of international standards, so maybe by the time he retires a young up and comer will be ready. if not then hauritz and co will still be around for a few years.
i watched an interview with him a while ago, about a season before he was selected when he was injured. the interview was to make him look good and make the audience feel like theres another warnie waiting in the wings, but when they interviewer asked him when he was going to retire he jokingly said at 45. except not that jokingly. for some reason i think he may try...
A.B De Villiers
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Re: McGain is hopeless?
The thing is with him, is that he has sat behind a desk at ANZ i think until he was 30 and only played cricket on the weekends. eg districts. So even though he is nearer to 40, his body probably doesnt feel like a 40 year old cricketer. not saying he's in a 20 year old's body, but you get what I mean. It will be interesting to see how he bounces back in the state system. I think they've gotta chuck someone in the deep end, someone like a Puyesh Chawla for India. Young and not afraid to have a go.
The thing is with him, is that he has sat behind a desk at ANZ i think until he was 30 and only played cricket on the weekends. eg districts. So even though he is nearer to 40, his body probably doesnt feel like a 40 year old cricketer. not saying he's in a 20 year old's body, but you get what I mean. It will be interesting to see how he bounces back in the state system. I think they've gotta chuck someone in the deep end, someone like a Puyesh Chawla for India. Young and not afraid to have a go.
distributer of pain
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Re: McGain is hopeless?
i dont think mcgain is an option, especialy against a team with K.P in it, K.P played warne easily so id hate to think what he"d do to mcgain, we should only play an attacking spinner if he is super talented, which mcgain isnt,( i consider all leg spinners to be attacking bowlers), and if they get on top of him he cant bowl tight, he"s way to slow through the air, it could cost us the test match or at least the chance of winning it if we play him, its not like england are super strong so i dont think we need to gamble, i would however give krazy another chance, there were reasons behind his last test flop , or play hauritz, either way we need a spinner. IMO of course.
i dont think mcgain is an option, especialy against a team with K.P in it, K.P played warne easily so id hate to think what he"d do to mcgain, we should only play an attacking spinner if he is super talented, which mcgain isnt,( i consider all leg spinners to be attacking bowlers), and if they get on top of him he cant bowl tight, he"s way to slow through the air, it could cost us the test match or at least the chance of winning it if we play him, its not like england are super strong so i dont think we need to gamble, i would however give krazy another chance, there were reasons behind his last test flop , or play hauritz, either way we need a spinner. IMO of course.
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i dont know if you guys have read it, but there is a news article on cricinfo about warne's view on captains playing spinners. it is really good, about captains only playing their spinners as a last resort and defensively, like if the quicks don't work, then put the spinner on and maybe they will save some runs and/or get a wicket. ponting plays his spinners very aggresively, and i like that. i believe, like warnie, that part of australia's spinning 'problem' (if you could call it that) is as a result of captains not allowing their spinner to show their skills, always putting them in defensive situations. this is what hauritz was used to, being put on only if the quicks fail, and when ponting threw him in the deep end by bowling him for dozens of overs in quick succession he was a little flustered and it took him a while to get it. now that he is used to bowling more aggressively and playing a more striking role after a few international games experience he has come pretty good. i think he should be playing in england, but i would have taken mcgain on tour anyway, let him play in the tour matches and see how he goes. i didnt watch mcgains debut test, so correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt mcgain get thrust into an attacking role, having to get wickets. i also haven't watched much of him play, but he is a pretty defensive bowler in my mind.
i like krezja, but i think his domestic form doesn't quite warrant a spot. he went for 12 an over in one match against the redbacks. i would have had him in front of hauritz, but unfortunately he has faltered a little.
i dont know if you guys have read it, but there is a news article on cricinfo about warne's view on captains playing spinners. it is really good, about captains only playing their spinners as a last resort and defensively, like if the quicks don't work, then put the spinner on and maybe they will save some runs and/or get a wicket. ponting plays his spinners very aggresively, and i like that. i believe, like warnie, that part of australia's spinning 'problem' (if you could call it that) is as a result of captains not allowing their spinner to show their skills, always putting them in defensive situations. this is what hauritz was used to, being put on only if the quicks fail, and when ponting threw him in the deep end by bowling him for dozens of overs in quick succession he was a little flustered and it took him a while to get it. now that he is used to bowling more aggressively and playing a more striking role after a few international games experience he has come pretty good. i think he should be playing in england, but i would have taken mcgain on tour anyway, let him play in the tour matches and see how he goes. i didnt watch mcgains debut test, so correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt mcgain get thrust into an attacking role, having to get wickets. i also haven't watched much of him play, but he is a pretty defensive bowler in my mind.
i like krezja, but i think his domestic form doesn't quite warrant a spot. he went for 12 an over in one match against the redbacks. i would have had him in front of hauritz, but unfortunately he has faltered a little.
distributer of pain
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Re: McGain is hopeless?
some good points there, but still you have to give your quicks a chance first, with mcgain, he cant bowl that defensive outside leg line (with a packed leg side field) warne used to, he is very slow through the air and not as accurate as warne or mcgill and he doesnt get anywhere near the amount of turn, i think he was picked off the back of their success to be honest, i dont see the point of perservering with the man, whats the up side ??, if he was 20/25 yrs old then you may persever with him but he"s not, best case scenario is he takes 2/3 wkts for 60/70 odd, worst case scenario he costs us a test match. IMO
some good points there, but still you have to give your quicks a chance first, with mcgain, he cant bowl that defensive outside leg line (with a packed leg side field) warne used to, he is very slow through the air and not as accurate as warne or mcgill and he doesnt get anywhere near the amount of turn, i think he was picked off the back of their success to be honest, i dont see the point of perservering with the man, whats the up side ??, if he was 20/25 yrs old then you may persever with him but he"s not, best case scenario is he takes 2/3 wkts for 60/70 odd, worst case scenario he costs us a test match. IMO
Re: McGain is hopeless?
i know you have to give your quicks a go first but one game the bull's (i think against SA) captain chris simpson put off the spinner for ages until the quicks had pretty much tired themselves out without getting any wickets, then he put on doran. doran is a pretty good bowler but the captain holds him back, and simpson isnt a bad captain by any means. all of them do it, even overseas. bowl your opening quicks, then bring on your first change, maybe your part time seamer for a few overs then get your spinner right in there to occupy one end for a while. instead it seems to be one of the opening bowlers go longer then they should, first change then bowls with that longer going opener, then when he tires out the first change bowls with the 2nd opener then the part time seamer comes on for longer then he should, then maybe if the 1st opener was going good bring him back on. then by the 40th over the spinner is finally bowled. happens all the time, although most of the time not quite to that extent.
mcgain was thought of as the next spinner for quite a while, and he got that from his record. he has done well in the SS the last couple of years, better then hauritz in all forms of the game with a few more years experience then him. when you look at hauritz's bowling, he isnt that attacking either, but ponting has put him in that role and he is doing well and i would have to say he should be there, but mcgain should have gotten another chance. they only took away the 15 players anyway, normally its 20, so im sure one extra wouldnt hurt. the english in general, and im not just saying this because of warnie, have a problem with leggies anyway, so not too bad a risk to play him in the tour matches.
i know you have to give your quicks a go first but one game the bull's (i think against SA) captain chris simpson put off the spinner for ages until the quicks had pretty much tired themselves out without getting any wickets, then he put on doran. doran is a pretty good bowler but the captain holds him back, and simpson isnt a bad captain by any means. all of them do it, even overseas. bowl your opening quicks, then bring on your first change, maybe your part time seamer for a few overs then get your spinner right in there to occupy one end for a while. instead it seems to be one of the opening bowlers go longer then they should, first change then bowls with that longer going opener, then when he tires out the first change bowls with the 2nd opener then the part time seamer comes on for longer then he should, then maybe if the 1st opener was going good bring him back on. then by the 40th over the spinner is finally bowled. happens all the time, although most of the time not quite to that extent.
mcgain was thought of as the next spinner for quite a while, and he got that from his record. he has done well in the SS the last couple of years, better then hauritz in all forms of the game with a few more years experience then him. when you look at hauritz's bowling, he isnt that attacking either, but ponting has put him in that role and he is doing well and i would have to say he should be there, but mcgain should have gotten another chance. they only took away the 15 players anyway, normally its 20, so im sure one extra wouldnt hurt. the english in general, and im not just saying this because of warnie, have a problem with leggies anyway, so not too bad a risk to play him in the tour matches.
distributer of pain
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Re: McGain is hopeless?
yeah the point i was making was that hauritz can bowl long tight spells, we need to look after our quicks and if we play mcgain and they get hold of him then its going to be very hard on our quicks.
yeah the point i was making was that hauritz can bowl long tight spells, we need to look after our quicks and if we play mcgain and they get hold of him then its going to be very hard on our quicks.
petersiddle09
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Re: McGain is hopeless?
Mate, the bloke is 36 or 37, he has just come back from a shoulder reconstruction.
Cricket Australia should give him a nother look..
What another Spinner's have we got that can take 2-3 wickets each game, and score 50 runs??
Mate, the bloke is 36 or 37, he has just come back from a shoulder reconstruction.
Cricket Australia should give him a nother look..
What another Spinner's have we got that can take 2-3 wickets each game, and score 50 runs??
frankc1974
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Re: McGain is hopeless?
McGain, Krejza, Haritz... There all not up to the standard. if our best attack is to use quicker bowlers then sobeit. Katich can bowl some spin as can Clark - I think North can also.
Rather go with the best bowling attack we have, then include a spinner who is not up to the standard just to have a spinner.
McGain, Krejza, Haritz... There all not up to the standard. if our best attack is to use quicker bowlers then sobeit. Katich can bowl some spin as can Clark - I think North can also.
Rather go with the best bowling attack we have, then include a spinner who is not up to the standard just to have a spinner.
Re: McGain is hopeless?
i agree there, im very much in favour of playing four quicks in the ashes.
but australia will need a spinner very soon. you will see all of australias winning sides had a spinner, even if they werent very good and didnt do much to help win the game.
frankc1974;355377 said:
i agree there, im very much in favour of playing four quicks in the ashes.
but australia will need a spinner very soon. you will see all of australias winning sides had a spinner, even if they werent very good and didnt do much to help win the game.
frankc1974
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Re: McGain is hopeless?
This is true. Actually, Cameron White has the best record of the lot. Personally, if I was to go with any body, it would be him.
Boris;355420 said:
This is true. Actually, Cameron White has the best record of the lot. Personally, if I was to go with any body, it would be him.