mmvca

[RooBoy]

Re: mmvca

Council haven't cared about turf cricket for many years.

Everyone seems to be having a say about the decision to call off turf on the weeknd, for what its worth he are my thoughts.

There are two lines of thoughts people are having, the question was to lay covers or not??!!

It can be a good option to leave the covers off on Friday night, and then hope not much rain falls and the wickets dry out saturday morning before play.

The risk is that too much rain falls and the wickets wont dry - which is what the wet weather committee decided!.

Personally, I thought it would have been better to cover the wickets on friday and make sure no further damge occurs. Then with the fine, windy weather forecast on saturday morning, the covers should of been lifted at 7.30am and left off. This way the grounds would of dried out, and if still alittle soft, leave it to the umpires to make the decision as games are in progress.

My question is, how can the wet weather committee make a judgement on if the grounds will dry out in time or that they wont. They obviously made the call to leave covers off when rain was forecast (not good idea) but then didnt give the wickets the chance to dry in the morning?? I dont understand.

You cant leave them off on friday night, knowing rain will fall, and then call the matches off. The wickets werent going to dry overnight, no wind, no sun and rain forecast!!??

The only way we were to play was to let them dry out and let each umpire/match/captain make a decision as has been the way on the second day of the match.

I wonder if the state of particular matches had any influence on whether turf was called off.........St Andrews and West Coburg in losing position, both clubs on the executive!

Maybe Bomber can explain, how exactly is the decision made. Are all grounds physically checked?? If not, I reckon Sunshine Heights, Barkly St and Sunshine YCW grounds would of been in great condition!

It just seems silly to have covers and not use them. But if we dont on a friday to let grounds dry, lets then give the grounds the best chance to dry.....like all morning, not until 8am!!

I dont wanto to throw stones, cos its unfair to the guys on the exec that give up and volunteer their time, but surely they have to have some process in place to deal with these matters.

I think its very silly for people to blame and bad mouth the council and suggest they should move covers to roll wickets etc, its up to the clubs and the wet weather committee (who are they??? ) to get it right.

It no good sitting at the races on a saturday in the sunshine, when we should be playing cricket!!!

 

[RooBoy]

Re: mmvca

Council haven't cared about turf cricket for many years.

Everyone seems to be having a say about the decision to call off turf on the weeknd, for what its worth he are my thoughts.

There are two lines of thoughts people are having, the question was to lay covers or not??!!

It can be a good option to leave the covers off on Friday night, and then hope not much rain falls and the wickets dry out saturday morning before play.

The risk is that too much rain falls and the wickets wont dry - which is what the wet weather committee decided!.

Personally, I thought it would have been better to cover the wickets on friday and make sure no further damge occurs. Then with the fine, windy weather forecast on saturday morning, the covers should of been lifted at 7.30am and left off. This way the grounds would of dried out, and if still alittle soft, leave it to the umpires to make the decision as games are in progress.

My question is, how can the wet weather committee make a judgement on if the grounds will dry out in time or that they wont. They obviously made the call to leave covers off when rain was forecast (not good idea) but then didnt give the wickets the chance to dry in the morning?? I dont understand.

You cant leave them off on friday night, knowing rain will fall, and then call the matches off. The wickets werent going to dry overnight, no wind, no sun and rain forecast!!??

The only way we were to play was to let them dry out and let each umpire/match/captain make a decision as has been the way on the second day of the match.

I wonder if the state of particular matches had any influence on whether turf was called off.........St Andrews and West Coburg in losing position, both clubs on the executive!

Maybe Bomber can explain, how exactly is the decision made. Are all grounds physically checked?? If not, I reckon Sunshine Heights, Barkly St and Sunshine YCW grounds would of been in great condition!

It just seems silly to have covers and not use them. But if we dont on a friday to let grounds dry, lets then give the grounds the best chance to dry.....like all morning, not until 8am!!

I dont wanto to throw stones, cos its unfair to the guys on the exec that give up and volunteer their time, but surely they have to have some process in place to deal with these matters.

I think its very silly for people to blame and bad mouth the council and suggest they should move covers to roll wickets etc, its up to the clubs and the wet weather committee (who are they??? ) to get it right.

It no good sitting at the races on a saturday in the sunshine, when we should be playing cricket!!!

 

[putabellintheball]

Re: mmvca

You can leave it up to the umpire/match/captain to make a decision but I think that would be more influenced by the state of each match. There is no way Jolly (as nice a bloke as he is) would have said yeah lets play when his team was in that position - I know I wouldn't. If the pitch was even slight wet - all captains would be well within their rights to say the conditions are not safe. So I think the decision needs to be left with the Wet Weather committee.

Bomber the question of how the decision is made is a relevant one though - do you check all grounds / a certain few that are known not to respond well to rain / random selection / or grounds closest to the homes of those on the committee ?

 

[putabellintheball]

Re: mmvca

You can leave it up to the umpire/match/captain to make a decision but I think that would be more influenced by the state of each match. There is no way Jolly (as nice a bloke as he is) would have said yeah lets play when his team was in that position - I know I wouldn't. If the pitch was even slight wet - all captains would be well within their rights to say the conditions are not safe. So I think the decision needs to be left with the Wet Weather committee.

Bomber the question of how the decision is made is a relevant one though - do you check all grounds / a certain few that are known not to respond well to rain / random selection / or grounds closest to the homes of those on the committee ?

 

[Guru14]

Re: mmvca

Everyone seems to be having a say about the decision to call off turf on the weeknd, for what its worth he are my thoughts.

There are two lines of thoughts people are having, the question was to lay covers or not??!!

It can be a good option to leave the covers off on Friday night, and then hope not much rain falls and the wickets dry out saturday morning before play.

The risk is that too much rain falls and the wickets wont dry - which is what the wet weather committee decided!.

Personally, I thought it would have been better to cover the wickets on friday and make sure no further damge occurs. Then with the fine, windy weather forecast on saturday morning, the covers should of been lifted at 7.30am and left off. This way the grounds would of dried out, and if still alittle soft, leave it to the umpires to make the decision as games are in progress.

My question is, how can the wet weather committee make a judgement on if the grounds will dry out in time or that they wont. They obviously made the call to leave covers off when rain was forecast (not good idea) but then didnt give the wickets the chance to dry in the morning?? I dont understand.

You cant leave them off on friday night, knowing rain will fall, and then call the matches off. The wickets werent going to dry overnight, no wind, no sun and rain forecast!!??

The only way we were to play was to let them dry out and let each umpire/match/captain make a decision as has been the way on the second day of the match.

I wonder if the state of particular matches had any influence on whether turf was called off.........St Andrews and West Coburg in losing position, both clubs on the executive!

Maybe Bomber can explain, how exactly is the decision made. Are all grounds physically checked?? If not, I reckon Sunshine Heights, Barkly St and Sunshine YCW grounds would of been in great condition!

It just seems silly to have covers and not use them. But if we dont on a friday to let grounds dry, lets then give the grounds the best chance to dry.....like all morning, not until 8am!!

I dont wanto to throw stones, cos its unfair to the guys on the exec that give up and volunteer their time, but surely they have to have some process in place to deal with these matters.

I think its very silly for people to blame and bad mouth the council and suggest they should move covers to roll wickets etc, its up to the clubs and the wet weather committee (who are they??? ) to get it right.

It no good sitting at the races on a saturday in the sunshine, when we should be playing cricket!!!

Pretty well said Rooboy, but in defence to the WWC they were on a hiding to nothing with the forecast we had going in on Saturday and that there had been plenty of rain on Friday afternoon prior to the covers being able to go down. I think they made the right call based on the covers, given that there may have been some wind around on Saturday morning given the forecast. My only concern would be that a decision is made for all games regardless, surely it should be a situation where the games go ahead until players, captains & umpires arrive at the ground on the Saturday and a decision is made from there. If the sides agree with the umpires to have a crack at playing surely it's in the best interests to play as much as we can. I hear the drums in the background but we have experienced people playing in this comp who know when a situation is dangerous and there is more to lose than just try and win a game of cricket. Merlo would have been disappointed so to St Marys but I think St Francis would have felt even 10 overs of play would have got them over the line. Our comp has a great rep within it's ranks and people who play in it love it but we need to ensure we give ourselves the best possible chance to play, I'm sure the rules state that play is able to start until tea which would allow a result if one is close. We play in a fantastic little comp that not many know too much about but we were the only turf comp in Metro Melbourne not to get a start on the weekend?? We play cricket to get as much of it as we can and this in no way is having a go at the WWC but lets try and play or at least allow the captains and the umpire to make a decision when they get to the ground. Lets get together and help the executive with constructive points rather than hindering the job they do, maybe the council may have to move with the times and work with the competition to ensure we are given every chance to play and realise that they have too much negative influence on the procedures open to the executive because of their inflexability with the preparation of the wickets. With the rain on the way this week as well, maybe it's a good chance to trail a better system to ensure the very least and that's playing cricket.

 

[Guru14]

Re: mmvca

Everyone seems to be having a say about the decision to call off turf on the weeknd, for what its worth he are my thoughts.

There are two lines of thoughts people are having, the question was to lay covers or not??!!

It can be a good option to leave the covers off on Friday night, and then hope not much rain falls and the wickets dry out saturday morning before play.

The risk is that too much rain falls and the wickets wont dry - which is what the wet weather committee decided!.

Personally, I thought it would have been better to cover the wickets on friday and make sure no further damge occurs. Then with the fine, windy weather forecast on saturday morning, the covers should of been lifted at 7.30am and left off. This way the grounds would of dried out, and if still alittle soft, leave it to the umpires to make the decision as games are in progress.

My question is, how can the wet weather committee make a judgement on if the grounds will dry out in time or that they wont. They obviously made the call to leave covers off when rain was forecast (not good idea) but then didnt give the wickets the chance to dry in the morning?? I dont understand.

You cant leave them off on friday night, knowing rain will fall, and then call the matches off. The wickets werent going to dry overnight, no wind, no sun and rain forecast!!??

The only way we were to play was to let them dry out and let each umpire/match/captain make a decision as has been the way on the second day of the match.

I wonder if the state of particular matches had any influence on whether turf was called off.........St Andrews and West Coburg in losing position, both clubs on the executive!

Maybe Bomber can explain, how exactly is the decision made. Are all grounds physically checked?? If not, I reckon Sunshine Heights, Barkly St and Sunshine YCW grounds would of been in great condition!

It just seems silly to have covers and not use them. But if we dont on a friday to let grounds dry, lets then give the grounds the best chance to dry.....like all morning, not until 8am!!

I dont wanto to throw stones, cos its unfair to the guys on the exec that give up and volunteer their time, but surely they have to have some process in place to deal with these matters.

I think its very silly for people to blame and bad mouth the council and suggest they should move covers to roll wickets etc, its up to the clubs and the wet weather committee (who are they??? ) to get it right.

It no good sitting at the races on a saturday in the sunshine, when we should be playing cricket!!!

Pretty well said Rooboy, but in defence to the WWC they were on a hiding to nothing with the forecast we had going in on Saturday and that there had been plenty of rain on Friday afternoon prior to the covers being able to go down. I think they made the right call based on the covers, given that there may have been some wind around on Saturday morning given the forecast. My only concern would be that a decision is made for all games regardless, surely it should be a situation where the games go ahead until players, captains & umpires arrive at the ground on the Saturday and a decision is made from there. If the sides agree with the umpires to have a crack at playing surely it's in the best interests to play as much as we can. I hear the drums in the background but we have experienced people playing in this comp who know when a situation is dangerous and there is more to lose than just try and win a game of cricket. Merlo would have been disappointed so to St Marys but I think St Francis would have felt even 10 overs of play would have got them over the line. Our comp has a great rep within it's ranks and people who play in it love it but we need to ensure we give ourselves the best possible chance to play, I'm sure the rules state that play is able to start until tea which would allow a result if one is close. We play in a fantastic little comp that not many know too much about but we were the only turf comp in Metro Melbourne not to get a start on the weekend?? We play cricket to get as much of it as we can and this in no way is having a go at the WWC but lets try and play or at least allow the captains and the umpire to make a decision when they get to the ground. Lets get together and help the executive with constructive points rather than hindering the job they do, maybe the council may have to move with the times and work with the competition to ensure we are given every chance to play and realise that they have too much negative influence on the procedures open to the executive because of their inflexability with the preparation of the wickets. With the rain on the way this week as well, maybe it's a good chance to trail a better system to ensure the very least and that's playing cricket.

 

[putabellintheball]

Re: mmvca

St Francis would not have needed 10 overs to get a result.....maybe 4 tops....

 

[putabellintheball]

Re: mmvca

St Francis would not have needed 10 overs to get a result.....maybe 4 tops....

 

[Enough Left]

Re: mmvca

Whatnogood. The only time we need to worry about rolling wickets now is when you are lying unconscious on a good length

Wa Wa Wa..... what a bunch of sooks, If anything should change, maybe we should schedule a comp Bye for those 2 weeks and then not have to worry about washouts, catch up games on Sundays and whingeing about half strength teams because their teams are full of piss head punters.

For what its worth, I would love to challenge the hero batsmen of this comp on a wet deck and put them back in their box, batsmen have had it too good for too long and if district cricket can be played when we're washed out, so should we.

 

[Enough Left]

Re: mmvca

Whatnogood. The only time we need to worry about rolling wickets now is when you are lying unconscious on a good length

Wa Wa Wa..... what a bunch of sooks, If anything should change, maybe we should schedule a comp Bye for those 2 weeks and then not have to worry about washouts, catch up games on Sundays and whingeing about half strength teams because their teams are full of piss head punters.

For what its worth, I would love to challenge the hero batsmen of this comp on a wet deck and put them back in their box, batsmen have had it too good for too long and if district cricket can be played when we're washed out, so should we.

 

[Cole Reserve]

Re: mmvca

Comparing the immaculate wickets of District cricket to our council prepared wickets is unrealistic and unreasonable.

You are talking about AFL quality qrounds and wickets compared to park land.

Give the comp and the management a break.

 

[Cole Reserve]

Re: mmvca

Comparing the immaculate wickets of District cricket to our council prepared wickets is unrealistic and unreasonable.

You are talking about AFL quality qrounds and wickets compared to park land.

Give the comp and the management a break.

 

[wetdeck]

Re: mmvca

Does anyone know how West Coburg went in today's Twenty20 games against NWCA and VTCA?

We smashed Doutta Stars in the 1st game, we made 129 (Nader 59) and they ere all out for 70-80ish (R. Williams 6-15)
Played Taylors Lakes from the NWCA in the second game and they batted really well, made 151 and we finished up 9-140.

 

[wetdeck]

Re: mmvca

Does anyone know how West Coburg went in today's Twenty20 games against NWCA and VTCA?

We smashed Doutta Stars in the 1st game, we made 129 (Nader 59) and they ere all out for 70-80ish (R. Williams 6-15)
Played Taylors Lakes from the NWCA in the second game and they batted really well, made 151 and we finished up 9-140.

 

[DROPPED HIM]

Re: mmvca

Everyone seems to be having a say about the decision to call off turf on the weeknd, for what its worth he are my thoughts.

There are two lines of thoughts people are having, the question was to lay covers or not??!!

It can be a good option to leave the covers off on Friday night, and then hope not much rain falls and the wickets dry out saturday morning before play.

The risk is that too much rain falls and the wickets wont dry - which is what the wet weather committee decided!.

Personally, I thought it would have been better to cover the wickets on friday and make sure no further damge occurs. Then with the fine, windy weather forecast on saturday morning, the covers should of been lifted at 7.30am and left off. This way the grounds would of dried out, and if still alittle soft, leave it to the umpires to make the decision as games are in progress.

My question is, how can the wet weather committee make a judgement on if the grounds will dry out in time or that they wont. They obviously made the call to leave covers off when rain was forecast (not good idea) but then didnt give the wickets the chance to dry in the morning?? I dont understand.

You cant leave them off on friday night, knowing rain will fall, and then call the matches off. The wickets werent going to dry overnight, no wind, no sun and rain forecast!!??

The only way we were to play was to let them dry out and let each umpire/match/captain make a decision as has been the way on the second day of the match.

I wonder if the state of particular matches had any influence on whether turf was called off.........St Andrews and West Coburg in losing position, both clubs on the executive!

Maybe Bomber can explain, how exactly is the decision made. Are all grounds physically checked?? If not, I reckon Sunshine Heights, Barkly St and Sunshine YCW grounds would of been in great condition!

It just seems silly to have covers and not use them. But if we dont on a friday to let grounds dry, lets then give the grounds the best chance to dry.....like all morning, not until 8am!!

I dont wanto to throw stones, cos its unfair to the guys on the exec that give up and volunteer their time, but surely they have to have some process in place to deal with these matters.

I think its very silly for people to blame and bad mouth the council and suggest they should move covers to roll wickets etc, its up to the clubs and the wet weather committee (who are they??? ) to get it right.

It no good sitting at the races on a saturday in the sunshine, when we should be playing cricket!!!

Well said Rooboy I think you wrapped it up nicely.

Few points that I want to touch over again.

2nd day of the game should always be report to the ground and let the umpire and captains work it out.
Other teams get results on the first day and is unfair on the rest of the competition.

Every other competition around the area played a full day of cricket!

The groud where we were suppose to be playing was fine and ready to play at 1pm.

 

[DROPPED HIM]

Re: mmvca

Everyone seems to be having a say about the decision to call off turf on the weeknd, for what its worth he are my thoughts.

There are two lines of thoughts people are having, the question was to lay covers or not??!!

It can be a good option to leave the covers off on Friday night, and then hope not much rain falls and the wickets dry out saturday morning before play.

The risk is that too much rain falls and the wickets wont dry - which is what the wet weather committee decided!.

Personally, I thought it would have been better to cover the wickets on friday and make sure no further damge occurs. Then with the fine, windy weather forecast on saturday morning, the covers should of been lifted at 7.30am and left off. This way the grounds would of dried out, and if still alittle soft, leave it to the umpires to make the decision as games are in progress.

My question is, how can the wet weather committee make a judgement on if the grounds will dry out in time or that they wont. They obviously made the call to leave covers off when rain was forecast (not good idea) but then didnt give the wickets the chance to dry in the morning?? I dont understand.

You cant leave them off on friday night, knowing rain will fall, and then call the matches off. The wickets werent going to dry overnight, no wind, no sun and rain forecast!!??

The only way we were to play was to let them dry out and let each umpire/match/captain make a decision as has been the way on the second day of the match.

I wonder if the state of particular matches had any influence on whether turf was called off.........St Andrews and West Coburg in losing position, both clubs on the executive!

Maybe Bomber can explain, how exactly is the decision made. Are all grounds physically checked?? If not, I reckon Sunshine Heights, Barkly St and Sunshine YCW grounds would of been in great condition!

It just seems silly to have covers and not use them. But if we dont on a friday to let grounds dry, lets then give the grounds the best chance to dry.....like all morning, not until 8am!!

I dont wanto to throw stones, cos its unfair to the guys on the exec that give up and volunteer their time, but surely they have to have some process in place to deal with these matters.

I think its very silly for people to blame and bad mouth the council and suggest they should move covers to roll wickets etc, its up to the clubs and the wet weather committee (who are they??? ) to get it right.

It no good sitting at the races on a saturday in the sunshine, when we should be playing cricket!!!

Well said Rooboy I think you wrapped it up nicely.

Few points that I want to touch over again.

2nd day of the game should always be report to the ground and let the umpire and captains work it out.
Other teams get results on the first day and is unfair on the rest of the competition.

Every other competition around the area played a full day of cricket!

The groud where we were suppose to be playing was fine and ready to play at 1pm.

 

[wetdeck]

Re: mmvca

Also, I have been asked to point out that the issue of FFNB has been raised at our club recently and our captain/coach Cal Appleyard has addressed it.
The players have spoken about it and we honestly don't know who it is. We don't believe it is anyone from our club, but Cal has asked for whoever it is to stop. If we do find it is a player from West Coburg he will get a deserved penalty.

 

[wetdeck]

Re: mmvca

Also, I have been asked to point out that the issue of FFNB has been raised at our club recently and our captain/coach Cal Appleyard has addressed it.
The players have spoken about it and we honestly don't know who it is. We don't believe it is anyone from our club, but Cal has asked for whoever it is to stop. If we do find it is a player from West Coburg he will get a deserved penalty.

 

[Guru14]

Re: mmvca

St Francis would not have needed 10 overs to get a result.....maybe 4 tops....

Probably but you get the point!

 

[Guru14]

Re: mmvca

St Francis would not have needed 10 overs to get a result.....maybe 4 tops....

Probably but you get the point!

 

[RooBoy]

Re: mmvca

Well said Rooboy I think you wrapped it up nicely.

Few points that I want to touch over again.

2nd day of the game should always be report to the ground and let the umpire and captains work it out.
Other teams get results on the first day and is unfair on the rest of the competition.

Every other competition around the area played a full day of cricket!

The groud where we were suppose to be playing was fine and ready to play at 1pm.

I am in agreement with your points and those of Guru as well.

We have enough senior personel and umpires in the comp to make decisions about play on the second day.

As I said before, my only gripe is that the WWC didnt allow enough time for wickets to dry out before making a decision. They always had the option of letting the umpires make the decision at each ground. Just as was the case in week 1 of this round, where no doubt some matches started when the wicket might have been a little damp or soft.

I think the WWC took the easy way out and unfortunately on this occasion got it wrong.

Lets hope we get better weather and have an uninterrupted start to round 5

 

[RooBoy]

Re: mmvca

Well said Rooboy I think you wrapped it up nicely.

Few points that I want to touch over again.

2nd day of the game should always be report to the ground and let the umpire and captains work it out.
Other teams get results on the first day and is unfair on the rest of the competition.

Every other competition around the area played a full day of cricket!

The groud where we were suppose to be playing was fine and ready to play at 1pm.

I am in agreement with your points and those of Guru as well.

We have enough senior personel and umpires in the comp to make decisions about play on the second day.

As I said before, my only gripe is that the WWC didnt allow enough time for wickets to dry out before making a decision. They always had the option of letting the umpires make the decision at each ground. Just as was the case in week 1 of this round, where no doubt some matches started when the wicket might have been a little damp or soft.

I think the WWC took the easy way out and unfortunately on this occasion got it wrong.

Lets hope we get better weather and have an uninterrupted start to round 5

 

[Deano]

Re: mmvca

Pull your head in first up ton. And 'whatnogood'...you need to offer something more than a lame 3 word reply to a pathetic post.

The weather committee needs a massive overhaul. And if you are on it please remove yourself ASAP first up ton.

If the wickets are in half decent condition then covers can go down Thursday night, after the wickets have been rolled. That is when everyone trains anyway. If there is any club that doesn't train Thursday then it is their responsibility to get them down sometime Friday. And a quick roller on Saturday morning. If the competition is as worthy as everyone claims then with effective negotiations the council should accommodate this.

Two full Saturdays of cricket this season could have been completed if this simple process had of been followed.
We do not need to employ brain surgeons to ensure that cricket can be played on weekends based on the current climate. If it rains on Saturday, or Sunday, then we need to deal with it.

It is not flipping too hard surely.


* Submitted just prior to reading your post Bomber

Is not that complicated. Covers cant go down until Friday arvo/night.

Council will not change their ways of doing things so give it a rest. no point beating our chests over it, it aint going to change.

Also the fact we have people from our comp checking the wickets at 8am in the morning on a Saturday after presumably working all week is a great effort and shows their commitment to get this comp going. So for any of us to make grand statements on this stuff is wrong.

I thought the same as the rest of you but until i actually spoke to someone from the commitee who is from my club i can understand the problems. Clubs are willing, but with the council happy to do nothing then all our hands are tied.

It easy to have a shot at the comomitte or whoever, but quite simply we are an amateur comp and the council couldnt give 2 shits whether we play or not.

Just live with it, its the same for everyone


p/s how stiff where st francis...........

 

[Deano]

Re: mmvca

Pull your head in first up ton. And 'whatnogood'...you need to offer something more than a lame 3 word reply to a pathetic post.

The weather committee needs a massive overhaul. And if you are on it please remove yourself ASAP first up ton.

If the wickets are in half decent condition then covers can go down Thursday night, after the wickets have been rolled. That is when everyone trains anyway. If there is any club that doesn't train Thursday then it is their responsibility to get them down sometime Friday. And a quick roller on Saturday morning. If the competition is as worthy as everyone claims then with effective negotiations the council should accommodate this.

Two full Saturdays of cricket this season could have been completed if this simple process had of been followed.
We do not need to employ brain surgeons to ensure that cricket can be played on weekends based on the current climate. If it rains on Saturday, or Sunday, then we need to deal with it.

It is not flipping too hard surely.


* Submitted just prior to reading your post Bomber

Is not that complicated. Covers cant go down until Friday arvo/night.

Council will not change their ways of doing things so give it a rest. no point beating our chests over it, it aint going to change.

Also the fact we have people from our comp checking the wickets at 8am in the morning on a Saturday after presumably working all week is a great effort and shows their commitment to get this comp going. So for any of us to make grand statements on this stuff is wrong.

I thought the same as the rest of you but until i actually spoke to someone from the commitee who is from my club i can understand the problems. Clubs are willing, but with the council happy to do nothing then all our hands are tied.

It easy to have a shot at the comomitte or whoever, but quite simply we are an amateur comp and the council couldnt give 2 shits whether we play or not.

Just live with it, its the same for everyone


p/s how stiff where st francis...........

 

[Deano]

Re: mmvca

You can leave it up to the umpire/match/captain to make a decision but I think that would be more influenced by the state of each match. There is no way Jolly (as nice a bloke as he is) would have said yeah lets play when his team was in that position - I know I wouldn't. If the pitch was even slight wet - all captains would be well within their rights to say the conditions are not safe. So I think the decision needs to be left with the Wet Weather committee.

Bomber the question of how the decision is made is a relevant one though - do you check all grounds / a certain few that are known not to respond well to rain / random selection / or grounds closest to the homes of those on the committee ?

Not sure about that, a bit of moisture in the pitch would have made it very difficult to score. That game was not over by a long shot.

Again St Francis should be the one bleeding, all the others were game on.

 

[Deano]

Re: mmvca

You can leave it up to the umpire/match/captain to make a decision but I think that would be more influenced by the state of each match. There is no way Jolly (as nice a bloke as he is) would have said yeah lets play when his team was in that position - I know I wouldn't. If the pitch was even slight wet - all captains would be well within their rights to say the conditions are not safe. So I think the decision needs to be left with the Wet Weather committee.

Bomber the question of how the decision is made is a relevant one though - do you check all grounds / a certain few that are known not to respond well to rain / random selection / or grounds closest to the homes of those on the committee ?

Not sure about that, a bit of moisture in the pitch would have made it very difficult to score. That game was not over by a long shot.

Again St Francis should be the one bleeding, all the others were game on.

 

[mmvca]

Re: mmvca

Everyone seems to be having a say about the decision to call off turf on the weeknd, for what its worth he are my thoughts.

There are two lines of thoughts people are having, the question was to lay covers or not??!!

It can be a good option to leave the covers off on Friday night, and then hope not much rain falls and the wickets dry out saturday morning before play.

The risk is that too much rain falls and the wickets wont dry - which is what the wet weather committee decided!.

Personally, I thought it would have been better to cover the wickets on friday and make sure no further damge occurs. Then with the fine, windy weather forecast on saturday morning, the covers should of been lifted at 7.30am and left off. This way the grounds would of dried out, and if still alittle soft, leave it to the umpires to make the decision as games are in progress.

My question is, how can the wet weather committee make a judgement on if the grounds will dry out in time or that they wont. They obviously made the call to leave covers off when rain was forecast (not good idea) but then didnt give the wickets the chance to dry in the morning?? I dont understand.

You cant leave them off on friday night, knowing rain will fall, and then call the matches off. The wickets werent going to dry overnight, no wind, no sun and rain forecast!!??

The only way we were to play was to let them dry out and let each umpire/match/captain make a decision as has been the way on the second day of the match.

I wonder if the state of particular matches had any influence on whether turf was called off.........St Andrews and West Coburg in losing position, both clubs on the executive!

Maybe Bomber can explain, how exactly is the decision made. Are all grounds physically checked?? If not, I reckon Sunshine Heights, Barkly St and Sunshine YCW grounds would of been in great condition!

It just seems silly to have covers and not use them. But if we dont on a friday to let grounds dry, lets then give the grounds the best chance to dry.....like all morning, not until 8am!!

I dont wanto to throw stones, cos its unfair to the guys on the exec that give up and volunteer their time, but surely they have to have some process in place to deal with these matters.

I think its very silly for people to blame and bad mouth the council and suggest they should move covers to roll wickets etc, its up to the clubs and the wet weather committee (who are they??? ) to get it right.

It no good sitting at the races on a saturday in the sunshine, when we should be playing cricket!!!

St Marys, who were playing West Coburg, have 2 reps on the Executive, and Merlo have one. And the final call as to whether we play or not comes from a rep from one of those two clubs.

So the decision definately wasnt influenced by the games in progress.

 

[mmvca]

Re: mmvca

Everyone seems to be having a say about the decision to call off turf on the weeknd, for what its worth he are my thoughts.

There are two lines of thoughts people are having, the question was to lay covers or not??!!

It can be a good option to leave the covers off on Friday night, and then hope not much rain falls and the wickets dry out saturday morning before play.

The risk is that too much rain falls and the wickets wont dry - which is what the wet weather committee decided!.

Personally, I thought it would have been better to cover the wickets on friday and make sure no further damge occurs. Then with the fine, windy weather forecast on saturday morning, the covers should of been lifted at 7.30am and left off. This way the grounds would of dried out, and if still alittle soft, leave it to the umpires to make the decision as games are in progress.

My question is, how can the wet weather committee make a judgement on if the grounds will dry out in time or that they wont. They obviously made the call to leave covers off when rain was forecast (not good idea) but then didnt give the wickets the chance to dry in the morning?? I dont understand.

You cant leave them off on friday night, knowing rain will fall, and then call the matches off. The wickets werent going to dry overnight, no wind, no sun and rain forecast!!??

The only way we were to play was to let them dry out and let each umpire/match/captain make a decision as has been the way on the second day of the match.

I wonder if the state of particular matches had any influence on whether turf was called off.........St Andrews and West Coburg in losing position, both clubs on the executive!

Maybe Bomber can explain, how exactly is the decision made. Are all grounds physically checked?? If not, I reckon Sunshine Heights, Barkly St and Sunshine YCW grounds would of been in great condition!

It just seems silly to have covers and not use them. But if we dont on a friday to let grounds dry, lets then give the grounds the best chance to dry.....like all morning, not until 8am!!

I dont wanto to throw stones, cos its unfair to the guys on the exec that give up and volunteer their time, but surely they have to have some process in place to deal with these matters.

I think its very silly for people to blame and bad mouth the council and suggest they should move covers to roll wickets etc, its up to the clubs and the wet weather committee (who are they??? ) to get it right.

It no good sitting at the races on a saturday in the sunshine, when we should be playing cricket!!!

St Marys, who were playing West Coburg, have 2 reps on the Executive, and Merlo have one. And the final call as to whether we play or not comes from a rep from one of those two clubs.

So the decision definately wasnt influenced by the games in progress.

 

[jake j]

Re: mmvca

Everyone seems to be having a say about the decision to call off turf on the weeknd, for what its worth he are my thoughts.

There are two lines of thoughts people are having, the question was to lay covers or not??!!

It can be a good option to leave the covers off on Friday night, and then hope not much rain falls and the wickets dry out saturday morning before play.

The risk is that too much rain falls and the wickets wont dry - which is what the wet weather committee decided!.

Personally, I thought it would have been better to cover the wickets on friday and make sure no further damge occurs. Then with the fine, windy weather forecast on saturday morning, the covers should of been lifted at 7.30am and left off. This way the grounds would of dried out, and if still alittle soft, leave it to the umpires to make the decision as games are in progress.

My question is, how can the wet weather committee make a judgement on if the grounds will dry out in time or that they wont. They obviously made the call to leave covers off when rain was forecast (not good idea) but then didnt give the wickets the chance to dry in the morning?? I dont understand.

You cant leave them off on friday night, knowing rain will fall, and then call the matches off. The wickets werent going to dry overnight, no wind, no sun and rain forecast!!??

The only way we were to play was to let them dry out and let each umpire/match/captain make a decision as has been the way on the second day of the match.

I wonder if the state of particular matches had any influence on whether turf was called off.........St Andrews and West Coburg in losing position, both clubs on the executive!

Maybe Bomber can explain, how exactly is the decision made. Are all grounds physically checked?? If not, I reckon Sunshine Heights, Barkly St and Sunshine YCW grounds would of been in great condition!

It just seems silly to have covers and not use them. But if we dont on a friday to let grounds dry, lets then give the grounds the best chance to dry.....like all morning, not until 8am!!

I dont wanto to throw stones, cos its unfair to the guys on the exec that give up and volunteer their time, but surely they have to have some process in place to deal with these matters.

I think its very silly for people to blame and bad mouth the council and suggest they should move covers to roll wickets etc, its up to the clubs and the wet weather committee (who are they??? ) to get it right.

It no good sitting at the races on a saturday in the sunshine, when we should be playing cricket!!!

I have playing in this comp for a while now and since covers have been used im pretty sure we have more wash outs , obviously we cant remember the weather from the past but at the moment covering the covers one night a week isnt good enough either use them properly or not at all, councils need to take more responsibility,its not hard to fold half back . Plus everyone knows covering a soaked pitch on a fri night doesnt help not one bit.

 

[jake j]

Re: mmvca

Everyone seems to be having a say about the decision to call off turf on the weeknd, for what its worth he are my thoughts.

There are two lines of thoughts people are having, the question was to lay covers or not??!!

It can be a good option to leave the covers off on Friday night, and then hope not much rain falls and the wickets dry out saturday morning before play.

The risk is that too much rain falls and the wickets wont dry - which is what the wet weather committee decided!.

Personally, I thought it would have been better to cover the wickets on friday and make sure no further damge occurs. Then with the fine, windy weather forecast on saturday morning, the covers should of been lifted at 7.30am and left off. This way the grounds would of dried out, and if still alittle soft, leave it to the umpires to make the decision as games are in progress.

My question is, how can the wet weather committee make a judgement on if the grounds will dry out in time or that they wont. They obviously made the call to leave covers off when rain was forecast (not good idea) but then didnt give the wickets the chance to dry in the morning?? I dont understand.

You cant leave them off on friday night, knowing rain will fall, and then call the matches off. The wickets werent going to dry overnight, no wind, no sun and rain forecast!!??

The only way we were to play was to let them dry out and let each umpire/match/captain make a decision as has been the way on the second day of the match.

I wonder if the state of particular matches had any influence on whether turf was called off.........St Andrews and West Coburg in losing position, both clubs on the executive!

Maybe Bomber can explain, how exactly is the decision made. Are all grounds physically checked?? If not, I reckon Sunshine Heights, Barkly St and Sunshine YCW grounds would of been in great condition!

It just seems silly to have covers and not use them. But if we dont on a friday to let grounds dry, lets then give the grounds the best chance to dry.....like all morning, not until 8am!!

I dont wanto to throw stones, cos its unfair to the guys on the exec that give up and volunteer their time, but surely they have to have some process in place to deal with these matters.

I think its very silly for people to blame and bad mouth the council and suggest they should move covers to roll wickets etc, its up to the clubs and the wet weather committee (who are they??? ) to get it right.

It no good sitting at the races on a saturday in the sunshine, when we should be playing cricket!!!

I have playing in this comp for a while now and since covers have been used im pretty sure we have more wash outs , obviously we cant remember the weather from the past but at the moment covering the covers one night a week isnt good enough either use them properly or not at all, councils need to take more responsibility,its not hard to fold half back . Plus everyone knows covering a soaked pitch on a fri night doesnt help not one bit.

 

[fine leg]

Re: mmvca

So get on the wet weather commitee then. Its not that easy for most clubs to be able to put their covers on before 5pm on a Friday anyway, as most people have to work. Obviously you either dont work, or work arvo shift and have the time on your hands to do it.

I know, why dont YOU go and put all the covers down on a Friday and do something useful instead of bagging the wet weather commitee.

And it would seem rather stupid to play the two games that are on Sundays, when the other 95% of Turf are already called off. Now that is a HUGE advantage for the teams playing on Sunday, wouldnt you think?????

Mate,i own a business and work 70 hours a week.
I wasn't bagging the WWC,i was making a valid point!!
In my few hours i have on a Friday arvo that i have off
i would be happy to put down covers at lunch time before the rain came down.I'm sure out of the 40 or 50 blokes that are at most clubs,2 or 3
can whack some covers down if you see the rain forecast.
I just think that if you have the opportunity and your wicket has been
prepared then why wait for a message that tells you the obvious.

As i have been a committee member of my club and played cricket for many years i can appreciate the work that the MMVCA committee do.
All i want to do on Saturdays is play some cricket like most of the people in this comp do,for me it is a good break from work and i enjoy the challenge of trying to win another flag.As for Sundays,well superspin summed it up well.

 

[fine leg]

Re: mmvca

So get on the wet weather commitee then. Its not that easy for most clubs to be able to put their covers on before 5pm on a Friday anyway, as most people have to work. Obviously you either dont work, or work arvo shift and have the time on your hands to do it.

I know, why dont YOU go and put all the covers down on a Friday and do something useful instead of bagging the wet weather commitee.

And it would seem rather stupid to play the two games that are on Sundays, when the other 95% of Turf are already called off. Now that is a HUGE advantage for the teams playing on Sunday, wouldnt you think?????

Mate,i own a business and work 70 hours a week.
I wasn't bagging the WWC,i was making a valid point!!
In my few hours i have on a Friday arvo that i have off
i would be happy to put down covers at lunch time before the rain came down.I'm sure out of the 40 or 50 blokes that are at most clubs,2 or 3
can whack some covers down if you see the rain forecast.
I just think that if you have the opportunity and your wicket has been
prepared then why wait for a message that tells you the obvious.

As i have been a committee member of my club and played cricket for many years i can appreciate the work that the MMVCA committee do.
All i want to do on Saturdays is play some cricket like most of the people in this comp do,for me it is a good break from work and i enjoy the challenge of trying to win another flag.As for Sundays,well superspin summed it up well.

 

[Guru14]

Re: mmvca

I have playing in this comp for a while now and since covers have been used im pretty sure we have more wash outs , obviously we cant remember the weather from the past but at the moment covering the covers one night a week isnt good enough either use them properly or not at all, councils need to take more responsibility,its not hard to fold half back . Plus everyone knows covering a soaked pitch on a fri night doesnt help not one bit.

Jake the VTCA have compulsory covers every week unless advised to leave them off the difference being they can go on at any stage on a Friday! If council can have wickets prepared by say lunchtime on a Friday then it would be up to the clubs themselves to get the covers down when they can. Make them compulsory every Friday night with a clause that states they need to be peeled back by say 8.30am Saturday morning if the weather is fine and no rain likely. The VTCA have their own groundsman but the covers are the responsibility of the club, lets put that responsibility back on the clubs. Every one knows the rule then, we get the council working slightly in our favour and we will play more cricket. I would think the wickets would have been pretty ordinary on occassions when the covers weren't being used. I also think each club should be able to roll their own wickets as they see fit leading into a game.

 

[Guru14]

Re: mmvca

I have playing in this comp for a while now and since covers have been used im pretty sure we have more wash outs , obviously we cant remember the weather from the past but at the moment covering the covers one night a week isnt good enough either use them properly or not at all, councils need to take more responsibility,its not hard to fold half back . Plus everyone knows covering a soaked pitch on a fri night doesnt help not one bit.

Jake the VTCA have compulsory covers every week unless advised to leave them off the difference being they can go on at any stage on a Friday! If council can have wickets prepared by say lunchtime on a Friday then it would be up to the clubs themselves to get the covers down when they can. Make them compulsory every Friday night with a clause that states they need to be peeled back by say 8.30am Saturday morning if the weather is fine and no rain likely. The VTCA have their own groundsman but the covers are the responsibility of the club, lets put that responsibility back on the clubs. Every one knows the rule then, we get the council working slightly in our favour and we will play more cricket. I would think the wickets would have been pretty ordinary on occassions when the covers weren't being used. I also think each club should be able to roll their own wickets as they see fit leading into a game.

 

[RooBoy]

Re: mmvca

St Marys, who were playing West Coburg, have 2 reps on the Executive, and Merlo have one. And the final call as to whether we play or not comes from a rep from one of those two clubs.

So the decision definately wasnt influenced by the games in progress.

Surely you are not suggesting Daniel has a say in any of this?? I think the WWC should inform clubs of the process and how it is made, so everyone knows what is going on.

 

[RooBoy]

Re: mmvca

St Marys, who were playing West Coburg, have 2 reps on the Executive, and Merlo have one. And the final call as to whether we play or not comes from a rep from one of those two clubs.

So the decision definately wasnt influenced by the games in progress.

Surely you are not suggesting Daniel has a say in any of this?? I think the WWC should inform clubs of the process and how it is made, so everyone knows what is going on.

 

[Cole Reserve]

Re: mmvca

Once again fella's, we are talking about club cricket. The council prepare wickets and this is a minor competition compared to district cricket. The weather for this weekend looks worse than the last, so are we going to be having this conversation again next week?

I have played some sub district and minor level district cricket as a junior, those wickets and grounds can not be compared to the parks we play on. It is totally unfair.

 

[Cole Reserve]

Re: mmvca

Once again fella's, we are talking about club cricket. The council prepare wickets and this is a minor competition compared to district cricket. The weather for this weekend looks worse than the last, so are we going to be having this conversation again next week?

I have played some sub district and minor level district cricket as a junior, those wickets and grounds can not be compared to the parks we play on. It is totally unfair.

 

[bcricket]

Re: mmvca

St Marys, who were playing West Coburg, have 2 reps on the Executive, and Merlo have one. And the final call as to whether we play or not comes from a rep from one of those two clubs.

So the decision definately wasnt influenced by the games in progress.

yeah you cant help the rain mmvca. two teams were very stiff due to that rain we were a bit after only having to get another 60 odd against apparantly the 2nd flag favourites with bangas and mash watching on. and merlo having the defending champs and flag favourites on the ropes. and now we have to face off against eachother that could be a 12 point turnaround for either side. should be a good battle this week between 2 sides that could have knocked off the 2 contenders for the flag the week before!!! hows that injury goin trooper? mite need bangas and mash to bring out the magic spray for the weekend! rest up mate

 

[bcricket]

Re: mmvca

St Marys, who were playing West Coburg, have 2 reps on the Executive, and Merlo have one. And the final call as to whether we play or not comes from a rep from one of those two clubs.

So the decision definately wasnt influenced by the games in progress.

yeah you cant help the rain mmvca. two teams were very stiff due to that rain we were a bit after only having to get another 60 odd against apparantly the 2nd flag favourites with bangas and mash watching on. and merlo having the defending champs and flag favourites on the ropes. and now we have to face off against eachother that could be a 12 point turnaround for either side. should be a good battle this week between 2 sides that could have knocked off the 2 contenders for the flag the week before!!! hows that injury goin trooper? mite need bangas and mash to bring out the magic spray for the weekend! rest up mate